The IIconics and Sanity

I honestly forgot about Sanity lol

The IIconics ate pin falls in NXT too, so nothing has changed there.

Sanity, just has no direction. This is exactly the opposite of what Triple H asks when calling people up, but it happens all the time. He wants creative to have a six month plan, but he's lucky if they have a six minute plan. I also think the loss of Nikki Cross has stifled them a bit. Plus Killian Dain wears a t-shirt and has yet to be given a chance to shine. IMO he's the breakout star of the group.

I will say I think both will be fine in time. If we get a tag team division for Women, the IIconics will be top contenders. And once the titles are off the Bludgeon Brothers, I expect Sanity to be given more attention.

This just seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. How many of the announced SummerSlam 2018 matches don't have any NXT alumni in them?

Isn’t it the Creative Team’s job to think of something creative for each Superstar/Tag Team? Why is it that they very rarely seem to be able to do that for more than 2-4 Superstars?

I don’t know, but anytime someone claims a member of the roster has fallen so far they could never recover I have roll my eyes. I think everyone should know at this point that 2 months of a few wins and dominate performances and anyone can get back in enough good graces for the audience to care again.

We like to joke that Vince is out of touch, and while there are times I believe that to be true, a lot, we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and I feel like Vince does this on purpose for certain talent. Look at Tyler Breeze. Based off some of his tweets he seemed like someone just happy to have a job in nxt, and wanted a promotion to the main roster for the money. When asked how he felt about falling so far from his position down in Florida shortly after joining Raw, he even joked about looking at his bank account and judging that as great success. How do you test an employee to see who should get a push? If you put them in a losing streak and they still put on a great show, all the while letting their bosses know they’re not satisfied in a respectful way, that’s probably who’s going to move up.

We like to sit at home and say “hey, he’s/she’s my favorite and the fans really like them too so they should always win” but maybe we don’t see that they’re hard to get along with in the locker room and they always have something negative to say when they get the script. As an example (sorry in advance but it’s the best one) CM Punk liked to brag about how he’d tear up his lines right in front of creative. We would complain about him being champ but not main eventing. When the show was over, he was gone, wanting to take in a Blackhawk’s game in his personal time and not be bothered. You know who was willing to stay late, sign autographs and devote much of his free time to being a representative for WWE? John Cena, they guy they usually put in the main event. Punk thought being the best worker and talker should have been enough, but he wasn’t willing to go that extra mile.

To be a top star, tag team, stable, etc. you have to have planets align, but you have to be the total package (sorry Lex). WWE has so many moving parts, and I’m glad I don’t have to make those decisions, but business is business, and that’s the same if you’re in Forbes top 5, or a mom and pop store down the street.

You described In this scenario is what Vince dealt with in the mid 90s with Shawn and Bret. However Vince had to listen to the audience and deal with HBKs BS all the time va Bret who was a real company man. Now that he’s the only real game in town, Vince doesn’t have to listen to the audience, he just puts out a product without a headache and collects his check.

Ascension is a good exemple, dominant in nxt, jobbers on both brands, they switched brand and its the same thing.

When carmella was let off amore/cass at the first, it didnt helps, now they did the same with nikki cross, but the gimmick of nikki is more important to be included in sanity, it miss something.

Its a good point that 7 superstars from nxt are titleholders, but check bobby roode a great heel main event in nxt, to a face jobber for mojo rawley !

Im sure that the 4 guys of the undisputed era will be jobbers on raw ou sdown, maybe they can be safe in 205 live, but the wwe dont takes this brand to seriously...

Baron corbin was a great heel with a different look in nxt, now he is a bland shaved constable on raw
They will do the same with alister black

Sometimes i wish that nxt is a different brand just like raw and smackdown, and at least pit the guys 205 on nxt, for a great cruiser division. Take out 205 live 1 hour show, and put 2 hours on nxt instead, with the superstars of nxt,uk, and 205 live

Oh definitely. Bret still got to stay in the main event scene. If any of Vince’s big men would have gotten over more I feel both would have stayed in the IC picture. Vince was also fighting for his company’s life, so the boys got away with more too.

As for right now, I can’t see how he could listen to the audience. They boo and chant odd things during Roman matches, then do the same for Rollins/Ziggler in the main event. Vince can’t get a decent creative team to write better stories. There’s no chance of finding someone to interpret what the fans in attendance are trying to say.