weaseltv
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Post by weaseltv on Aug 13, 2018 6:36:26 GMT -5
Who's better - WWE Creative or the Wrestlers themselves?
When you look at the character work and storylines created by guys like Matt Hardy before he came to WWE, the New Day, like Xavier Woods with Up Up Down Down, Cody after he left WWE, Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks, Scurly, Page on the Being the Elite channel...
Is WWE Creative keeping up with the times and making interesting TV?
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Post by bababooey on Aug 13, 2018 8:18:44 GMT -5
The wrestlers in my opinion are better because they know themselves better than the writers know them.
The issue is that the wrestlers either can’t or are afraid to put they’re own spin on what they’re given from the writers.
I think the line Stone Cold likes to say is “You give me the steak. I’ll add the salt and pepper.”
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 13, 2018 8:39:03 GMT -5
A Randy Orton handshake is all you need for proof that the wrestlers are better than the creative writing team!
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Post by k5 on Aug 13, 2018 9:37:01 GMT -5
the wwe hires sitcom show writers...creative has been trash since mid 2000s. they just started phoning it in.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 13, 2018 9:52:10 GMT -5
It's probably a case by case argument. For every former WWE star who makes it big on the independents, you have 15 that faded away into nothing. Plus you have to remember most independent stars are self promoters. They need themselves to be in huge demand if they want to work. In WWE, you have a part to play. A small role in a larger picture. You get paid regardless.
So in short, I'm sure some are better off in WWE's system, and I'm sure some are better on their own.
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Post by J12 on Aug 13, 2018 11:08:54 GMT -5
I'd say it varies wrestler to wrestler, but by and large, character development and promo work is going to be better and more consistent when the wrestler has a large say in what's going on. That isn't true for everyone, but in general, I think they more involved they are, the better off they become.
With all that being said, you can't place blame solely on creative. They're writing to please one man, and one man only. Hundreds of good ideas are left behind because it's not what he wants.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 13, 2018 12:31:40 GMT -5
These days very few people are able to go out there and showcase an ability to cut promos on the fly or with their own work. As far as I know, Bray Wyatt, The Usos and New Day are the only full-time guys who have been given the freedom to work without a pre-made script since WWE went into the brand split. There’s a reason it’s a writing team rather than one person writing a three hour broadcast for 20-25 people every week. Not that one person on their own would want that job anyway.
As far as the “WWE uses sitcom and soap opera writers” excuse, these guys they’ve hired have written for shows like Days of Our Lives, which has been going on for like half a century at this point. Not to mention that their head writers are Road Dogg, who has been in the business his entire life, and Ryan Ward, the man who was head writer during the “golden age” of NXT at Full Sail when it was the best weekly wrestling show on the market (and it arguably still is).
So TLDR; they know what they’re doing.
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Post by King Richius on Aug 13, 2018 12:36:28 GMT -5
The wrestlers are like chefs and the writers buy the groceries for them. A chef can't make a five star surf and turf meal if the shopper buys them ground beef, fish sticks, and tater tots.
Steve Austin has criticized the WWE for not giving the wrestlers enough creative control and freedom. He's not wrong.
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Post by Mark Martin on Aug 13, 2018 15:41:04 GMT -5
The boys.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Aug 13, 2018 17:07:10 GMT -5
As I’ve heard from many guys when working shows... “The WWE needs to give the business back to the boys.” Things are too micro managed. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Aug 13, 2018 18:56:17 GMT -5
I feel creative makes some great gimmicks sometimes. Fro example, Sean O' Haire Devil Advocate was a great gimmick that got dropped too early.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 14, 2018 4:16:02 GMT -5
Of course today's roster is far better than today's creative team. Absolutely no question about it. Today's creative team can't write for crap. There's a reason viewership is dropping week-by-week, because the product is written terribly. Having today's roster be the most athletic superstars we've ever seen doesn't help very much if there's no clear storyline for them, and they treat wins and losses as being meaningless. I like the chef analogy earlier in the thread. If a chef is given poor ingredients, he can only make a poor meal.
Take the Sasha/Bayley storyline for instance. That should have been such an easy storyline to write. But they screwed it up every single week for months, to levels you wouldn't believe, to the point that even the most engaged Sasha or Bayley fans (myself included) just didn't care anymore.
I saw someone say earlier in the thread that Road Dogg "knows what he's doing". Road Dogg justified the removal of pyro because "we didn't have it before" (which is ridiculous reasoning, we didn't have entrance music before, should we get rid of that too?), and I've seen it stated that Road Dogg was responsible for the embarrassing text on screen for promos and entrances. Road Dogg definitely doesn't have a clue what he's doing, and the sooner he's replaced, the better.
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Post by k5 on Aug 14, 2018 12:27:13 GMT -5
These days very few people are able to go out there and showcase an ability to cut promos on the fly or with their own work. As far as I know, Bray Wyatt, The Usos and New Day are the only full-time guys who have been given the freedom to work without a pre-made script since WWE went into the brand split. There’s a reason it’s a writing team rather than one person writing a three hour broadcast for 20-25 people every week. Not that one person on their own would want that job anyway. As far as the “WWE uses sitcom and soap opera writers” excuse, these guys they’ve hired have written for shows like Days of Our Lives, which has been going on for like half a century at this point. Not to mention that their head writers are Road Dogg, who has been in the business his entire life, and Ryan Ward, the man who was head writer during the “golden age” of NXT at Full Sail when it was the best weekly wrestling show on the market (and it arguably still is). So TLDR; they know what they’re doing. days of our lives writing for professional wrestling and road dog, a notorious loudmouth who has regularly insulted the fan’s intelligence. maybe he can get his fellow POS brother to return as Dixie dynamite for a run? lol  yeah, they sure know what they’re doing. |
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 14, 2018 12:37:16 GMT -5
WWE has the most talent they’ve ever had right now. They literally almost have everyone. But yet the show, Raw in particular, is nearly unwatchable. Why is that? It’s the clowns writing the show. They cater to 3 or 4 top guys, then the rest of the roster trades W’s and L’s with no story or character development involved. It’s pretty trash.
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Post by hbkfan on Aug 14, 2018 13:02:54 GMT -5
I saw someone say earlier in the thread that Road Dogg " knows what he's doing". Road Dogg justified the removal of pyro because "we didn't have it before" (which is ridiculous reasoning, we didn't have entrance music before, should we get rid of that too?), and I've seen it stated that Road Dogg was responsible for the embarrassing text on screen for promos and entrances. Road Dogg definitely doesn't have a clue what he's doing, and the sooner he's replaced, the better. I was amazed too when reading that since he has his entire life in the business, he knows what he is doing. Hello. There is a lot of people who have a lot of years doing what they do (doctors, goverment workers, lawyers, etc.) and they suck. Period. Not because you have a lot of years on something means that you know about that, maybe you are a quintessential loser and nobody wants to face you at it and thats what this Road Dog is at, in my opinion. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 18, 2018 15:46:48 GMT -5
The wrestlers, they should let the boys create their own promos so they could have classics like this again:
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