Henchmen4Hire
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Aug 16, 2018 3:38:14 GMT -5
Here's a quick pic of what the pads could look like with the rubber pads attached.
Pads could be a little bigger and thicker with no consequence. There are 2 to 3 layers of the stretchy fabric with no loss of articulation.
A little better shaping, a little more scrunching and you've got a kickass long knee pad.
I cant work out if your joking? Either way, it looks absolutely awful. Do you have a day job? Please, do not give it up. It's a prototype. You've been blocked, but feel free to keep bumping my topic, thanks.
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Post by HooliganPunx24 on Aug 16, 2018 4:02:52 GMT -5
Pass.
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Post by mcfclee on Aug 16, 2018 4:04:27 GMT -5
I cant work out if your joking? Either way, it looks absolutely awful. Do you have a day job? Please, do not give it up. It's a prototype. You've been blocked, but feel free to keep bumping my topic, thanks. I actually think that has tons of potential mate. Not sure where that hostility came from. I’d probably prefer if all black and a tad longer, but like you said it’s a prototype. Keep at it mate, looks fine to me.
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Aug 16, 2018 4:50:48 GMT -5
Could you elaborate? It helps to know why you don't like the idea. What are the problems you see with it? Are you concerned about the functionality, or the cosmetics? It's rough for sure, the latex pad should be a little bigger, and black of course, but all I have is white latex. It's glued together instead of neatly stitched, the edges would need to be heat sealed as they're cut at the factory or something, etc. It should definitely be longer, this lets us scrunch it to reproduce the wrinkles when at rest, and lets us extend it for a smoother look if we want. Could use a finer thread count, lots of things to consider as I work on it. However, the important thing is that it's fully functional and I'll keep tinkering, thanks!
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 16, 2018 6:16:50 GMT -5
God no! If anything, I want sculpted pads like the old Toybiz WCW figures had. But it's too late to switch now because it won't fit in with the last 7-8 years of product.
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Post by fmwpt on Aug 16, 2018 6:40:26 GMT -5
A big no!
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Aug 16, 2018 7:03:08 GMT -5
God no! If anything, I want sculpted pads like the old Toybiz WCW figures had. But it's too late to switch now because it won't fit in with the last 7-8 years of product. These things? www.figurerealm.com/actionfigure?action=seriesitemlist&id=273I don't think they would have gone that route from the beginning anyway, like pointed out before, it would be way too expensive because of all the molds they would have to make to keep all the wrestlers in scale with each other. Sure, they could have abandoned the scale idea and gone that route, but I'm glad they went ahead with scale in mind. And I have to ask again, why "God, no"? I'm trying to understand the visceral reactions (not just to this idea, but to any idea in general), they seem really over the top to be a simple case of "I just don't like it". Is there a negative association with cloth bits? Bad experiences? If so, this can be the start of changing that point of view. Give it a chance, this could turn into something great.
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Post by RKOrton on Aug 16, 2018 7:22:08 GMT -5
nah
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Post by thechoad on Aug 16, 2018 7:47:43 GMT -5
It could work I just can't envision it mate, I see what you're attempting to do with the cloth and latex but I just can't think how it would work? I just see the with a cloth pad you'd run into issues like it's elasticity and friction so it might slide about too easily and become baggy. Or it's shear naivety on my behalf not wanting to change...I for one don't mind the leg sleeves haha
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Post by PJ on Aug 16, 2018 8:33:57 GMT -5
God no! If anything, I want sculpted pads like the old Toybiz WCW figures had. But it's too late to switch now because it won't fit in with the last 7-8 years of product. These things? www.figurerealm.com/actionfigure?action=seriesitemlist&id=273I don't think they would have gone that route from the beginning anyway, like pointed out before, it would be way too expensive because of all the molds they would have to make to keep all the wrestlers in scale with each other. Sure, they could have abandoned the scale idea and gone that route, but I'm glad they went ahead with scale in mind. And I have to ask again, why "God, no"? I'm trying to understand the visceral reactions (not just to this idea, but to any idea in general), they seem really over the top to be a simple case of "I just don't like it". Is there a negative association with cloth bits? Bad experiences? If so, this can be the start of changing that point of view. Give it a chance, this could turn into something great. When they first started the line and were building their parts library yes they could have made all those limbs. But at eight years in now it’s to late. That said do you really think making cloth pads that would need to be stitched/hemmed so not to fray with rubber/latex attacked to them wouldn’t blow their production budget? That would add up because it could be up to four pads per figure (two if the just have knee pads) but then you have to factor that into every figure produced in the wave. That adds up.
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Post by theaxehennig on Aug 16, 2018 8:41:48 GMT -5
I appreciate the idea and if it suits your needs, keep up the hard work!
Fabric is a no for me, based upon uniformity in my collection and, frankly, I don’t like the look of fabric. Inevitably, it always looks oversized.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Aug 16, 2018 8:54:49 GMT -5
I’m with PJ. I would prefer molded pads but it’s probably too late in the game to make the change. Maybe with the Ultimate Edition figures it could be implemented.
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Aug 16, 2018 9:06:05 GMT -5
It could work I just can't envision it mate, I see what you're attempting to do with the cloth and latex but I just can't think how it would work? I just see the with a cloth pad you'd run into issues like it's elasticity and friction so it might slide about too easily and become baggy. Or it's shear naivety on my behalf not wanting to change...I for one don't mind the leg sleeves haha If the cloth part is stretchy, there's no reason it would sag, it just needs to have the right amount of "squeeze". To a stretchy piece of cloth, this isn't any kind of abuse, it'll last until the fibers decompose or moths eat it haha. You would actually want to sag it a little by hand, to create the wrinkles found on the current sculpted pieces (sorry for the bad previous pic, I tried to show it there). The rubber pad is so stretchy that it'll last until it decomposes too. I'm using scraps found around the house and these things are resilient, imagine how much better they'd be if Mattel put a pro to the design task. theaxehennigGood point, the new pads are visually different from the old pads, that could be annoying for detail oriented collectors. Maybe the cloth pads can be sold as an accessory pack, maybe as a Ringside Collectibles Exclusive? Also, I don't see any bulky/oversize issues with these kneepads, but there might be durability issues with cloth versions of the "open" style pads, the thin sections are a concern. I don't mind those current elbow pads too much, and am fine continuing to use them. @pj That's up to Mattel to decide what's cheaper. Stitching isn't the only way to go, they can also use heat to fuse synthetic fabric parts together. Heat can also "cauderize" the edges so they dont fray. Look up rock climbing stores that sell webbing, they cut sections with an electric knife/foam cutter (basically a battery with a wire running between the poles) to do just that. I'm spitballing, but if I can see simple solutions then I'm sure a Mattel engineer can figure something out.
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Post by Rattlehead on Aug 16, 2018 9:16:18 GMT -5
For elbows yes, as for knees I prefer for them to be molded. Though, you're on the right track.
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Post by casey on Aug 16, 2018 10:02:22 GMT -5
I'm sure it's a nonissue regardless, for the same reason that they can't have cloth tassels on jackets, etc: the small size makes it a choking risk for children.
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Post by cantu1984 on Aug 16, 2018 10:38:00 GMT -5
Looks promising, it may be the start of a lucrative customizing business. I hate the large sleeve knee pads, they look terrible on the figures. I wish we had more cloth accessories, but little Billy can't keep them out of his mouth.
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Post by HooliganPunx24 on Aug 16, 2018 11:38:09 GMT -5
Could you elaborate? It helps to know why you don't like the idea. What are the problems you see with it? Are you concerned about the functionality, or the cosmetics? It's rough for sure, the latex pad should be a little bigger, and black of course, but all I have is white latex. It's glued together instead of neatly stitched, the edges would need to be heat sealed as they're cut at the factory or something, etc. It should definitely be longer, this lets us scrunch it to reproduce the wrinkles when at rest, and lets us extend it for a smoother look if we want. Could use a finer thread count, lots of things to consider as I work on it. However, the important thing is that it's fully functional and I'll keep tinkering, thanks! I like having the pads made from rubber. Mattel does a good job of making them snug because I remember that Jakks pads couldn't stay on. I think cloth would have this issue, especially on the elbows. Assuming the cloth pads were made to be really tight and snug, would they be able to be taken off without tearing or stretching the fabric?
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Aug 16, 2018 17:26:35 GMT -5
Could you elaborate? It helps to know why you don't like the idea. What are the problems you see with it? Are you concerned about the functionality, or the cosmetics? I like having the pads made from rubber. Mattel does a good job of making them snug because I remember that Jakks pads couldn't stay on. I think cloth would have this issue, especially on the elbows. Assuming the cloth pads were made to be really tight and snug, would they be able to be taken off without tearing or stretching the fabric? The cloth would only have to be snug, not super tight. I think if they're too tight there could be that problem of stressing/over-stretching them too much when put on or removed, like using a rubberband that's way too small for a job.
There are many fabrics (textiles?) that stretch really well and spring back to shape though (like what I used), there's no risk of tearing it unless someone decides they want to drag it through rocks or clamp their car's radiator hose with the pads lol
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Post by adecw on Aug 17, 2018 8:23:32 GMT -5
insert dean ambrose NOPE gif here
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 17, 2018 8:38:05 GMT -5
I get why you want this but it's a no for me. I just display so I'll take the aesthetic over the functionality. They really do need to drop that leg sleeve mold in a vat of acid. If they wouldn't have used it incorrectly so many times over the last 8 years I'd probably have less of a problem but that's not how the story went. Anyway, plastic is cheaper than fabric. So that pretty much sums up the debate on Mattel's end.
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