Thunder Chunky
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 27, 2018 11:06:44 GMT -5
Seems like a fair comparison to me. Even WWE talent have made the same comparison. AJ has, and Kurt himself did so on Table of 3. They'd know far more than any of us. Kurt won the European & IC titles at the same time and then WWE champion all within his first year/year and a half in the business. Some could even argue they had more talent and more to lose back then. The only problem (and its a huge one IMO) with comparing Angle to Ronda is the fact Angle trained for wrestling for an entire year going through WWE's developmental system before making his main roster debut. Ronda was signed in Jan and champ by August. I like Ronda and I think she COULD be a great wrestler but the company pushing her this fast when she literally cant wrestle a match...its just a bad decision. She's more known than Alexa Bliss. Everyone knows who Rousey is, no one knows who Alexa is, outside of wrestling fans. It's a good move from a business standpoint.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 27, 2018 11:26:58 GMT -5
The only problem (and its a huge one IMO) with comparing Angle to Ronda is the fact Angle trained for wrestling for an entire year going through WWE's developmental system before making his main roster debut. Ronda was signed in Jan and champ by August. I like Ronda and I think she COULD be a great wrestler but the company pushing her this fast when she literally cant wrestle a match...its just a bad decision. She's more known than Alexa Bliss. Everyone knows who Rousey is, no one knows who Alexa is, outside of wrestling fans. It's a good move from a business standpoint. You all are looking at names more then credentials. Ronda squashed a 5 time champ in mere minutes. Therefore she should do the same to Sasha, Bayley, Ruby, Becky and even Charlotte. If you have 1 person come in and destroy your division, where does all that hard work go to that you've been putting in to "empower women" in wrestling. Even if you "let the story play out" and Ronda end up dropping the title to Sasha or Bayley or whomeever....what has it really done? Can you take Sasha more serious cause she beat Ronda knowing shes had 4 joke title reigns? Are you going to take Bayley more serious knowing she'll likely drop the title to Alexa again? You dont have to put a title on someone and TRY to make them the face of the division to sell tickets. If shes such an attraction her name alone should sell. Use her in specialty matches, big shows, make her appearance seem meaningful. She's said this is her "full time job" but also said it wasn't a long term deal. Don't blow your wad out of the gate. Let it build because from Rumble to Wrestlemania I was hype for Ronda but from MITB to now, I'm already ready for her to move on.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 27, 2018 11:34:02 GMT -5
If Ronda is booked like she was booked last night, She will be "Roman boo'ed" by the time Royal Rumble comes around if not sooner. I understand everyones ideology of "Alexa would be destroyed in a real fight with Ronda" but this is wrestling. The match last night seriously set WWE's "Womens revolution" back easily 10 years as far as ring quality. Your COO or whatever Stephanie is got in more offense then a 5 times womens champion. Think about that. Yes you have someone that's got a ton of mainstream appeal but you pretty much just told the Alexa Bliss, Sasha Banks, Bayley, Becky Lynch and all these women that have been busting their asses to make the division worth watching, that they're completely irrelevant. If you're a fan of womens wrestling or a fan of any woman on the roster, you should be rather pissed knowing that the WWE just shat on everything your favorite has done up until this time. WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan. You did not just call Ronda Rousey part of the Women's WRESTLING Revolution.........tell me you did NOT just say that! There is absolutely NO WAY she is to be considered part of the revolution, considering there was a Women's MITB, Women's HIAC, and Women's RR before she showed up. And women main eventing shows before her. AND a Women's Elimination Chamber before she worked her first match. And the Women's WM battle royal before she worked her first match - that match was before Rousey/Angle Vs. Steph/Trips on the card. And with how she's been booked, she's NOT helping ANY cause for women's wrestling. They do this all the time with a big name. Book themselves into a corner, like Rousey is now. How dominant they've made her, it's not going to be believable when anyone beats her.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 27, 2018 12:26:27 GMT -5
WWE isn’t in the “making your booking fantasies come true” business, they are in the money making business. Who will be the bigger draw? Rousey. Who will bring in more viewers? Rousey. Who can be put infront of any interviewer and put the company and themselves over? Rousey. Guess what, she is part of the revolution. Sure, she came in after the Four Horsewomen, but she is there helping the cause of Women aof Wrestling and the WWE renain in a spotlight that isn’t what the Diva Division was. Putting Rousey over Bliss was the only plausible outcome. Could have thrown dirty herl tactics in and spread the fued out, but they went in a different direction. Enjoy the product, lets see where this goes. Would you stand up and yell in the theater after the second act? No, you wait and watch the story unfold. Be patient. Be a fan. You did not just call Ronda Rousey part of the Women's WRESTLING Revolution.........tell me you did NOT just say that! There is absolutely NO WAY she is to be considered part of the revolution, considering there was a Women's MITB, Women's HIAC, and Women's RR before she showed up. And women main eventing shows before her. AND a Women's Elimination Chamber before she worked her first match. And the Women's WM battle royal before she worked her first match - that match was before Rousey/Angle Vs. Steph/Trips on the card. And with how she's been booked, she's NOT helping ANY cause for women's wrestling. They do this all the time with a big name. Book themselves into a corner, like Rousey is now. How dominant they've made her, it's not going to be believable when anyone beats her. She had a Wrestlemania moment before any of them. Sorry, but she is part of the Women’s movement. She will most certainly pull in more viewers than any of the other female wrestlers and that is an unarguable fact!
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 27, 2018 12:46:02 GMT -5
That's exactly why it's a terrible comparison. He had many stepping stones to build him on. Women have one title, and Ronda won it after four matches. So they should introduce a Woman's European & Intercontinental titles? And have Rhonda win both? And that somehow makes it okay? What a childish response. What I'm saying is she shouldn't have won the title after four matches. Build her up with different storylines.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 27, 2018 15:23:53 GMT -5
You did not just call Ronda Rousey part of the Women's WRESTLING Revolution.........tell me you did NOT just say that! There is absolutely NO WAY she is to be considered part of the revolution, considering there was a Women's MITB, Women's HIAC, and Women's RR before she showed up. And women main eventing shows before her. AND a Women's Elimination Chamber before she worked her first match. And the Women's WM battle royal before she worked her first match - that match was before Rousey/Angle Vs. Steph/Trips on the card. And with how she's been booked, she's NOT helping ANY cause for women's wrestling. They do this all the time with a big name. Book themselves into a corner, like Rousey is now. How dominant they've made her, it's not going to be believable when anyone beats her. She had a Wrestlemania moment before any of them. Sorry, but she is part of the Women’s movement. She will most certainly pull in more viewers than any of the other female wrestlers and that is an unarguable fact! No it isn't "unarguable" but I'm not gonna go back and forth. I'm not the only one who feels the way I do about how horribly they've booked Rousey in the 8 months she's been signed. You have a good day.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 27, 2018 15:27:13 GMT -5
She had a Wrestlemania moment before any of them. Sorry, but she is part of the Women’s movement. She will most certainly pull in more viewers than any of the other female wrestlers and that is an unarguable fact! No it isn't "unarguable" but I'm not gonna go back and forth. I'm not the only one who feels the way I do about how horribly they've booked Rousey in the 8 months she's been signed. You have a good day. She is a decorated UFC Champion. How else do you book that? How do you book a true fighter against a 5’4 115lb Alexa Bliss??? You don’t.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 27, 2018 15:43:02 GMT -5
So they should introduce a Woman's European & Intercontinental titles? And have Rhonda win both? And that somehow makes it okay? What a childish response. What I'm saying is she shouldn't have won the title after four matches. Build her up with different storylines. They obviously want her on talk shows as women's champion. She has name value and can bring eyes to the product. Not to mention, she's a legit fighter who can bring credibility to the division.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 27, 2018 16:27:16 GMT -5
You did not just call Ronda Rousey part of the Women's WRESTLING Revolution.........tell me you did NOT just say that! There is absolutely NO WAY she is to be considered part of the revolution, considering there was a Women's MITB, Women's HIAC, and Women's RR before she showed up. And women main eventing shows before her. AND a Women's Elimination Chamber before she worked her first match. And the Women's WM battle royal before she worked her first match - that match was before Rousey/Angle Vs. Steph/Trips on the card. And with how she's been booked, she's NOT helping ANY cause for women's wrestling. They do this all the time with a big name. Book themselves into a corner, like Rousey is now. How dominant they've made her, it's not going to be believable when anyone beats her. She had a Wrestlemania moment before any of them. Sorry, but she is part of the Women’s movement. She will most certainly pull in more viewers than any of the other female wrestlers and that is an unarguable fact! No way is she part of the Women's revolution. She is just an attraction to draw viewers and sadly the women are being fed to her. No women will come out of a Rousey match looking good and the longer she's around the more damage she will cause to the division.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 28, 2018 11:47:55 GMT -5
No it isn't "unarguable" but I'm not gonna go back and forth. I'm not the only one who feels the way I do about how horribly they've booked Rousey in the 8 months she's been signed. You have a good day. She is a decorated UFC Champion. How else do you book that? How do you book a true fighter against a 5’4 115lb Alexa Bliss??? You don’t. Ken Shamrock, a UFC Hall of Famer & IC title holder lost to Al Snow & X-Pac. Wrestling isn't a "real" fighting sport. When you book it as one, you fail.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 28, 2018 11:53:19 GMT -5
She is a decorated UFC Champion. How else do you book that? How do you book a true fighter against a 5’4 115lb Alexa Bliss??? You don’t. Ken Shamrock, a UFC Hall of Famer & IC title holder lost to Al Snow & X-Pac. Wrestling isn't a "real" fighting sport. When you book it as one, you fail. What happened to Shamrock will happen to Rousey. Don’t forget, Ken was being groomed for the main event when he first came in. He was the Worlds Most Dangerous man, then he was slowly chopped down to working hardcore natches and random 2 week fueds before he walked away. Rousey is top dog, she will reign supreme, then the person to beat her gets a major rub and becomes the Queen of the Ring. There is the story. Be it Alexa getting one up on her, or them grooming rousey to be The Woman then feeding her to Charolette at Mania. Either way, she is champion.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 28, 2018 16:44:23 GMT -5
She had a Wrestlemania moment before any of them. Sorry, but she is part of the Women’s movement. She will most certainly pull in more viewers than any of the other female wrestlers and that is an unarguable fact! No way is she part of the Women's revolution. She is just an attraction to draw viewers and sadly the women are being fed to her. No women will come out of a Rousey match looking good and the longer she's around the more damage she will cause to the division. Ronda Rousey drawing 1 million buys on UFC PPV while Total Divas cast members were having 1:10 botchfests was a catalyst for the Womens Revolution and helped make the company book women's wrestling more seriously.
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Aug 28, 2018 19:41:01 GMT -5
isn't her name spelled "RHONDA" ??
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 28, 2018 23:24:04 GMT -5
So they should introduce a Woman's European & Intercontinental titles? And have Rhonda win both? And that somehow makes it okay? What a childish response. What I'm saying is she shouldn't have won the title after four matches. Build her up with different storylines. Didn’t Finn Balor win the Universal title in his third or fourth match?
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 29, 2018 3:19:04 GMT -5
What a childish response. What I'm saying is she shouldn't have won the title after four matches. Build her up with different storylines. Didn’t Finn Balor win the Universal title in his third or fourth match? Yeah, because he wasn't in NXT at all.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 30, 2018 1:22:53 GMT -5
Didn’t Finn Balor win the Universal title in his third or fourth match? Yeah, because he wasn't in NXT at all. So accomplishments before someone joins the WWE main roster matter?
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 30, 2018 3:03:57 GMT -5
Yeah, because he wasn't in NXT at all. So accomplishments before someone joins the WWE main roster matter? Well he was drafted straight from NXT, so yeah. He was obviously established there before being called up.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 30, 2018 9:03:34 GMT -5
Not all WWE fans watch NXT.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 30, 2018 19:21:26 GMT -5
So accomplishments before someone joins the WWE main roster matter? Well he was drafted straight from NXT, so yeah. He was obviously established there before being called up. Cool, she’s got a pretty impressive resume.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 31, 2018 11:38:12 GMT -5
So we're all in agreement that if Holly Holm wakes up tomorrow and wants to be a WWE wrestler that we should put her on SD, have her squash Charlotte/Becky for the title at Survivor Series and then in a title for title match drop Ronda at wrestlemania in about 20 seconds right? Since we're "booking Ronda like its legit"
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