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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 8:56:43 GMT -5
The only (ONLY) problem I have with Becky's heel turn is that the writers don't understand the story they were telling. I support Becky and will boo her because she is going to be portrayed as a heel, but Road Dogg should at least watch what he produces because this is how the fans who have tuned in see the mountains
Becky's Mountain: Paige sets her in matches to face Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville, Peyton Royce, Billie Kay. She defeats them all and gains momentum. Arguably, if she didn't beat them she would not have had the momentum necessary to challenge Carmella at SDL to earn the shot to face Carmella at Summerslam. Prior to all this, Becky goes on to defeat Mandy and Sonya in a Triple Threat (really Handicap Match) and makes Charlotte tap out. All of this puts her at the top of the division.
Charlotte's Mountain: Loses to Carmella at SDL due to cash in. Loses to Carmella atn Backlash. Sure she beats Peyton Royce the night after Backlash, and may have been onsome winning teams thereafter, but the only thing she does thereafter is lose to Becky Lynch. Fails to win MITB. First singles win after losing the title comes against Carmella after Charlotte comes to the rescue. She was rewarded with a chance to get a title shot.
Two entirely different mountains. Again, I don't care about whether Becky is a heel or face. If fans want to give her the Daniel Bryan treatment great, but as we saw with Fandango, Dillinger, and others who were organic WWE isn't going to be catering to the fans' reactions anymore as they got placed in a "no win" situation with Bryan and don't ever want to be backed into that corner again. They're going to tell the story they want to tell.
I just wish they understood the story.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 24, 2018 9:07:20 GMT -5
The only mountain Charlotte has is to not burn her hands when she gets the belt hot potatoed to her so her numbers rise and she's manufactured to be better than she is by having a high title reign count just because of who her Dad is. /thread lmao
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 9:21:13 GMT -5
The only mountain Charlotte has is to not burn her hands when she gets the belt hot potatoed to her so her numbers rise and she's manufactured to be better than she is by having a high title reign count just because of who her Dad is. I will say this. I've been tracking AJ Style's days as Champion, and it's interesting to see that in terms of combined reigns, his two reigns have more than eclipsed the amount of days the Rock's eight reigns as champion lasted. I think it's nice that you win a title, and can hold it multiple times, but I think it's far more impressive to hold it for less reigns but longer spans. For example, Sting is my personal fave, and while I think it's awesome he held the WCW Title 6 times, he only collectively held the title for 250 days. AJ's current reign has eclipsed that. So, yes its nice having multiple reigns, but all I'm going to remember Charlotte for is how fast she lost them. On a somewhat side note, didn't Charlotte's PPV winning streak in singles matches fall to Carmella?
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Post by marino13 on Aug 24, 2018 9:30:41 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky.
Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current.
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Post by screech on Aug 24, 2018 9:49:15 GMT -5
He comes across very defensive on Twitter
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Post by Patriot174 on Aug 24, 2018 9:50:43 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky. Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current. It's currently at 95%, and that's where my frustration lies with the turn. I'm perfectly fine with her getting upset over Charlotte essentially waltzing her way into the same opportunity Becky had to claw her way to, victory after victory, and that anger causing her to snap at SummerSlam; that's a reasonably feasible way of turning her and they could have kept it at that. However, insulting the viewers' intelligence by having her claim the crowd wasn't behind her when she had two of the biggest pops at Barclays on Sunday and Tuesday nights and saying the crowd rose to their feet after Charlotte won when Brooklyn was booing and chanting "You Deserved It" after she got beat down is just flat out ridiculous. While I remain cautiously optimistic with how this storyline goes from this point forward, it doesn't hurt to go with the fans' flow every once in a while; this was clearly a case of one of those times.
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 9:54:55 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky. Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current. It's currently at 95%, and that's where my frustration lies with the turn. I'm perfectly fine with her getting upset over Charlotte essentially waltzing her way into the same opportunity Becky had to claw her way to, victory after victory, and that anger causing her to snap at SummerSlam; that's a reasonably feasible way of turning her and they could have kept it at that. However, insulting the viewers' intelligence by having her claim the crowd wasn't behind her when she had two of the biggest pops at Barclays on Sunday and Tuesday nights and saying the crowd rose to their feet after Charlotte won when Brooklyn was booing and chanting "You Deserved It" after she got beat down is just flat out ridiculous. While I remain cautiously optimistic with how this storyline goes from this point forward, it doesn't hurt to go with the fans' flow every once in a while; this was clearly a case of one of those times. I'm fine with that. She can and did claim it was false support. Only thing I'm not fine with is finally seeing how SDL Logic works. Either only PPVs are canon or WWE writers don't have logic or can't tell a story.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 24, 2018 10:23:31 GMT -5
It's a difficult pill to swallow when you realize that you as the audience are thinking more critically about a work of art than the people creating it. It's not entirely uncommon, but it's still kind of jarring. Road Dogg seems like a talented guy but he doesn't come off as the sharpest tool in the shed. I think the only relevant rebuttal to his response is that he can't see the forest from the trees. But he's also not in charge and at the root of the problem he's a soldier following orders.
Charlotte is becoming the Del Rio of the women's division. There is a respect factor for her athleticism, and largely still because she's Ric Flair's daughter, but it's not adulation. Becky has actual fanfare. I would parallel the Charlotte/Becky dynamic quite a bit to the Seth Rollins/Roman Reigns dynamic. The crowd clearly has a favorite in both instances and it's not the performer WWE wants you to pick. WWE seems to work twice as hard at combating the desires of their own audience as they do building coherent and compelling stories that captivate the audience and create a suspension of disbelief that the majority can enjoy.
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Post by PJ on Aug 24, 2018 10:26:35 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky. Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current. That’s ok the WWE will address that. It’s quite simple actually...the fans misinterpreted the poll question and therefore selected the wrong answer. See simple!
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 10:57:24 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky. Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current. That’s ok the WWE will address that. It’s quite simple actually...the fans misinterpreted the poll question and therefore selected the wrong answer. See simple! You're thinking too critically. WWE will interpret this as saying Becky has now turned her back on 95% of the WWE Universe. 95 supported her going in, but now they no longer do because of her attack on the Queen.
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Post by art3mis on Aug 24, 2018 11:09:09 GMT -5
He comes across very defensive on Twitter That's what people who are bad at their job tends to do.
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Post by k5 on Aug 24, 2018 11:48:54 GMT -5
Road Dogg is just cringe levels of bad. him and his brother Scott can go suck a lemon. Scott Armstrong was one of the naysayers for Punk - well Scotty, who’s history gonna remember - Dixie Dynamite or Cm Punk?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 12:25:43 GMT -5
I really think Charlotte should be the heel in her program with Becky. Charlotte is better as a heel and Becky is a great babyface. Roaddog as head writer for smackdown is a joke!
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Post by Nev Jones on Aug 24, 2018 12:29:09 GMT -5
Oh lord, Road Dogg is something else. I couldn’t stand him when he was on TV, and I still can’t now he’s off. Vince must love him, what with all that sand he’s buried his head in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2018 13:07:51 GMT -5
Did anyone see that poll on WWE.com? It asked if you were with Becky the whole time, or only till Charlotte got involved. Last I saw 91% said they were with Becky. Their struggles are not the same. One has been pushed to the top over and over, while the other struggles for attention. I'm sorry, I give them credit for trying, but the crowd wants to love Becky. They want to boo Charlotte. Flair's are natural heels. Give them that. Make it easy for yourself and swim with the current. That’s ok the WWE will address that. It’s quite simple actually...the fans misinterpreted the poll question and therefore selected the wrong answer. See simple! Didn't they do that a few years ago when they asked to vote on superstar of the year and a bunch of people thought they clicked on Daniel Bryan but voted for Reigns instead?
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 13:23:10 GMT -5
That’s ok the WWE will address that. It’s quite simple actually...the fans misinterpreted the poll question and therefore selected the wrong answer. See simple! Didn't they do that a few years ago when they asked to vote on superstar of the year and a bunch of people thought they clicked on Daniel Bryan but voted for Reigns instead? That was a "computer glitch". WWE polls have traditionally done two things: It's either showed you the results or said "Thanks for participating" I often thought that the latter was used so they could manufacture results and the former done because they were so certain of the answer. THis just plays into the narrative as to how out of touch WWE really is at times. Again, I'm all for a Becky heel turn, and I think it was done perfectly. While I don't agree with the story (Becky feels unsupported and Charlotte earned eveyrthing), don't try to convince me that that was the story you were telling all along when the facts show something different.
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Post by drifter on Aug 24, 2018 13:24:23 GMT -5
It's gotten to the point, that whenever I read Road Dogg trying to defend bad booking decisions, I automatically go the saying, 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.' I get trying to defend your work, but he just blindly defends any crap they put on, and basically calls the fans idiots for not positively getting behind whatever they put out. You guys messed up, by turning the wrong person heel, just accept it. And the worst part, is, it's not like it's interviews or anything, it's twitter responses, he doesn't have to respond. And it's funny to see his change, when he was in TNA and on the outs with the company, and he and Gunn were so anti corporate, and not he's the perfect company man, defending anything and everything.
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Post by havoc7179 on Aug 24, 2018 13:47:47 GMT -5
It's gotten to the point, that whenever I read Road Dogg trying to defend bad booking decisions, I automatically go the saying, 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.' I get trying to defend your work, but he just blindly defends any crap they put on, and basically calls the fans idiots for not positively getting behind whatever they put out. You guys messed up, by turning the wrong person heel, just accept it. And the worst part, is, it's not like it's interviews or anything, it's twitter responses, he doesn't have to respond. And it's funny to see his change, when he was in TNA and on the outs with the company, and he and Gunn were so anti corporate, and not he's the perfect company man, defending anything and everything. He's ignored all my tweets about whether Becky losing any of her matches against Absolution and IIconics would have allowed her to face Carmella in order to win a spot on Summerslam. So he knows to ignore things. I honestly think he's crazy at this point. He tells a story about X, we say its about X, and he gets mad that we didn't understand the story was about Y.
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Post by The Everlasting Spirit © on Aug 24, 2018 14:22:41 GMT -5
Shame as I really like Becky. She's a good babyface a good wrestler and seems someone that could be a merch seller when pushed. WWE seem blind to anyone but Charlotte Rousey or the Bellas though.
It's this along with Reigns that made me stop watching WWE. I'm also not a massive fan of the amount of exUFC ppl they are bringing in.
Now I just read the results online. When they start making good shows again I will start watching again. Not changing my mind so far.
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Post by drifter on Aug 24, 2018 14:38:57 GMT -5
It's gotten to the point, that whenever I read Road Dogg trying to defend bad booking decisions, I automatically go the saying, 'Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.' I get trying to defend your work, but he just blindly defends any crap they put on, and basically calls the fans idiots for not positively getting behind whatever they put out. You guys messed up, by turning the wrong person heel, just accept it. And the worst part, is, it's not like it's interviews or anything, it's twitter responses, he doesn't have to respond. And it's funny to see his change, when he was in TNA and on the outs with the company, and he and Gunn were so anti corporate, and not he's the perfect company man, defending anything and everything. He's ignored all my tweets about whether Becky losing any of her matches against Absolution and IIconics would have allowed her to face Carmella in order to win a spot on Summerslam. So he knows to ignore things. I honestly think he's crazy at this point. He tells a story about X, we say its about X, and he gets mad that we didn't understand the story was about Y. Man, maybe he learns to ignore more, because when he does respond, he just digs the hole deeper. I did laugh, when he said, how they both claimed the same mountain. No they didn't. Charlotte was losing matches, before she went off TV, and then comes back, is given one match and she's in the title match, while Becky for months, was building up, win after win, earning just the right for her chance in the match, before getting the title match.
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