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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 11:15:11 GMT -5
Perhaps for you Americans, for us international collectors these figures aren't cheap especially those damn store exclusives.
My comment about cost was in reference to those who say Jakks figures were cheaper than Mattel figs, I did not collect then so I don't know what the price difference was. However, from pics I have seen, the Mattel figures are better IMO, accurate scale and more detailed than Jakks. Jakks had less parts so perhaps that is why they were cheaper as their costs might have been lower?!
Your lists are confusing- are you saying that those in the first list are never going to happen but those in the second list might happen?! The Mountie is a firm NO, Bill mentioned a while back that they would never make a Mountie figure, although not sure if its Mattel that doesn't want to make it or if WWE won't give approval?! You forgot The British Bulldogs, I think its doubtful that we will see Mattel figs of them (although I hope I am wrong).
Why do you think Gorilla Monsoon will never be made?! He was one of McMahon's main guys and was with the company until he passed away. He is in the same category with Patterson IMO- loyal employees that are highly regarded by McMahon. If they can release a Patterson figure (first ever figure of him I believe?) then they can certainly release a Monsoon fig, its just a matter of figuring out how to release it.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 10, 2018 12:32:33 GMT -5
Perhaps for you Americans, for us international collectors these figures aren't cheap especially those damn store exclusives. My comment about cost was in reference to those who say Jakks figures were cheaper than Mattel figs, I did not collect then so I don't know what the price difference was. However, from pics I have seen, the Mattel figures are better IMO, accurate scale and more detailed than Jakks. Jakks had less parts so perhaps that is why they were cheaper as their costs might have been lower?! Your lists are confusing- are you saying that those in the first list are never going to happen but those in the second list might happen?! The Mountie is a firm NO, Bill mentioned a while back that they would never make a Mountie figure, although not sure if its Mattel that doesn't want to make it or if WWE won't give approval?! You forgot The British Bulldogs, I think its doubtful that we will see Mattel figs of them (although I hope I am wrong). Why do you think Gorilla Monsoon will never be made?! He was one of McMahon's main guys and was with the company until he passed away. He is in the same category with Patterson IMO- loyal employees that are highly regarded by McMahon. If they can release a Patterson figure (first ever figure of him I believe?) then they can certainly release a Monsoon fig, its just a matter of figuring out how to release it. I heard its also because the real Royal Canadian Mounted Police would be opposed to that figure and might sue. They hated the gimmick must not have been too happy about Jakks making a figure of the guy.
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Post by MKSavage on Sept 10, 2018 12:36:21 GMT -5
We’re never gojng to see a Mattel : Koko B. Ware Adam Bomb Killer Bees Giant Gonzalez Luna Vachon Johnny Rodz Repo Man Gorilla Monsoon Bastion Booger Zeus Brooklyn Brawler Crush (Kona or Heel) One Man Gang Brother Love Some may never be made at all, like : The Mountie Hercules Skinner Steiner Brothers .... many many others that Jakks produced, so that’s why I kepy mt Jakks Classic Superstars collection. It looks amazing displayed and most of those guys on the list above are a huge part of wrestling history, especially 80’s-90’s. I’d much rather have a one off of each of these, than yet another John Cena or Roman Reigns, but they’re a business to make money ... it’s hard to find spots for guys like that AND still make a profit. I get their point when it comes to sales ect, but also WWE has to approve the talent. Jakks was so great that they were able to sign their own contracts, otherwise we would’ve never gotten what we got in the first place. Mattel could have the rights to some of those names above and STILL never bother to produce a figure, that’s just the way it has become now. Why do you think some of these won't ever get figures? Wasn't Koko on the list to be made until the concussion lawsuit was filed? Mountie probably won't ever get made since they would have to get permission from The Mountie law enforcement agency and probably have to pay them a fee to make him. Don't know why Skinner would never be made, isn't Steve Keirn working for the company? I get that some of these are niche characters but that's pretty much all they have left.
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Post by SteveHulk on Sept 10, 2018 13:19:38 GMT -5
Some may never be made at all, like : The Mountie Hercules Skinner Steiner Brothers .... many many others that Jakks produced, so that’s why I kepy mt Jakks Classic Superstars collection. You have to balance it out though - personally, I'd rather have big names like Macho Man, Steamboat, Sting, Angle etc. over a lot of mid-lower card guys that Jakks did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:40:34 GMT -5
Some may never be made at all, like : The Mountie Hercules Skinner Steiner Brothers .... many many others that Jakks produced, so that’s why I kepy mt Jakks Classic Superstars collection. You have to balance it out though - personally, I'd rather have big names like Macho Man, Steamboat, Sting, Angle etc. over a lot of mid-lower card guys that Jakks did. Not to mention, Rey Mysterio amd Undertaker figures that aren't the same height, and a line of figures that dont all have the same body
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Post by RedDevil on Sept 10, 2018 15:23:17 GMT -5
I never saw the appeal for retros, I get that hasbro WWF collectors like them for nostalgic purposes but for anyone not born during that era, why would you want a cartoony looking toy with maybe 2 POA when there’s stuff like Elites available? The Retros do lack the articulation yes, but they are action figures that do have actual actions - I’m no expert on the full ranges these days, but do any of the other lines actually do anything? Aren’t they all rather... lifeless, for want of a better word? As an old man I agree the Elites look amazing, but for me as a kid that “Real Wrestling Action” would be the unique selling point for the Retro line, and combined with a far lower price-point than the Elites then that’s what I’d use to market to kids who’ve lived their lives having never even seen a Hasbro WWF figure (if you can all that living ) - I could see a kid being more interested in two figures that can punch each other than a single figure that does nothing much more than look great with amazingly detailed boots or whatever - that’s more of an old man collector obsession I’d think But then I’m a Hasbro kid, and completely accept by view is coloured by that line. But on the general point, it depresses me throughly to think that action figures might be on the decline. It makes sense I suppose that electronics are dominate in the era of the tablet, but surely kids still want to hold toys in their hands and actually... play? I don’t know, I’ve no kids and very little knowledge of them in 2018 so I guess I’m the last person to offer any insight
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 10, 2018 15:30:05 GMT -5
I never saw the appeal for retros, I get that hasbro WWF collectors like them for nostalgic purposes but for anyone not born during that era, why would you want a cartoony looking toy with maybe 2 POA when there’s stuff like Elites available? The Retros do lack the articulation yes, but they are action figures that do have actual actions - I’m no expert on the full ranges these days, but do any of the other lines actually do anything? Aren’t they all rather... lifeless, for want of a better word? As an old man I agree the Elites look amazing, but for me as a kid that “Real Wrestling Action” would be the unique selling point for the Retro line, and combined with a far lower price-point than the Elites then that’s what I’d use to market to kids who’ve lived their lives having never even seen a Hasbro WWF figure (if you can all that living ) - I could see a kid being more interested in two figures that can punch each other than a single figure that does nothing much more than look great with amazingly detailed boots or whatever - that’s more of an old man collector obsession I’d think But then I’m a Hasbro kid, and completely accept by view is coloured by that line. But on the general point, it depresses me throughly to think that action figures might be on the decline. It makes sense I suppose that electronics are dominate in the era of the tablet, but surely kids still want to hold toys in their hands and actually... play? I don’t know, I’ve no kids and very little knowledge of them in 2018 so I guess I’m the last person to offer any insight Mattel made these, they were called Flex Force. It didn’t go very well.
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Post by Old School Collector on Sept 10, 2018 16:38:03 GMT -5
You have to balance it out though - personally, I'd rather have big names like Macho Man, Steamboat, Sting, Angle etc. over a lot of mid-lower card guys that Jakks did. Not to mention, Rey Mysterio amd Undertaker figures that aren't the same height, and a line of figures that dont all have the same body I wasn’t comparing them ... I was just saying. I do believe that Skinner was set to be in an upcoming Jakks Classic Superstars lineup, though.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 16:40:01 GMT -5
Not to mention, Rey Mysterio amd Undertaker figures that aren't the same height, and a line of figures that dont all have the same body I wasn’t comparing them ... I was just saying. I do believe that Skinner was set to be in an upcoming Jakks Classic Superstars lineup, though. Skinner was a character i loved in the WWF, those kind of gimmicks were often my favourites
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Post by RedDevil on Sept 10, 2018 18:19:56 GMT -5
The Retros do lack the articulation yes, but they are action figures that do have actual actions - I’m no expert on the full ranges these days, but do any of the other lines actually do anything? Aren’t they all rather... lifeless, for want of a better word? As an old man I agree the Elites look amazing, but for me as a kid that “Real Wrestling Action” would be the unique selling point for the Retro line, and combined with a far lower price-point than the Elites then that’s what I’d use to market to kids who’ve lived their lives having never even seen a Hasbro WWF figure (if you can all that living ) - I could see a kid being more interested in two figures that can punch each other than a single figure that does nothing much more than look great with amazingly detailed boots or whatever - that’s more of an old man collector obsession I’d think But then I’m a Hasbro kid, and completely accept by view is coloured by that line. But on the general point, it depresses me throughly to think that action figures might be on the decline. It makes sense I suppose that electronics are dominate in the era of the tablet, but surely kids still want to hold toys in their hands and actually... play? I don’t know, I’ve no kids and very little knowledge of them in 2018 so I guess I’m the last person to offer any insight Mattel made these, they were called Flex Force. It didn’t go very well. Thanks; I’ve just looked them up online. They seem to be in the same sort of scale as the main lines, in which case I guess the action aspect of action figures didn’t appeal to this generation; unless there were other reasons for that line’s failure? Maybe Mattel are on the right track linking the Retros to the game app which collectors of my vintage hate - if other gimmicks have failed to spark interest then makes sense to try appealing to the tablet generation.
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Post by pickle on Sept 10, 2018 22:13:09 GMT -5
Hard to say. Kids are buying less, but the collector market is growing. I feel like we'll eventually start seeing less in toy sections of Wal-Mart's, and more in specialty stores and comic shops etc.
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Post by taker292 on Sept 11, 2018 8:31:45 GMT -5
As long as people watch wrestling, there will be a demand for figures. The market is fine.
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Post by alanpartridge on Sept 11, 2018 8:35:03 GMT -5
Well if action figures do become extinct I had a good run. I've bought thousands.
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 11, 2018 18:39:30 GMT -5
As a kid I could sit on the floor of my room with wrestling figures,star wars, GI Joe or superhero figures and entertain myself endlessly. I don't know many kids that do that now, although the figures being produced today are light years better than what we had. I think what we will be looking at is more higher end stuff being produced to appeal to the adult collectors as kids interest becomes less and less.
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Post by powerfred3k on Sept 11, 2018 18:49:07 GMT -5
What is really sad if you think about it for a minute. Back when wwf and wcw where fighting it out every week the product overall was great, the figures compared to now where barely functional.
Now the quality of wwe figures overall is excellent but the product on tv is very lacking without any true competition.
So now the toys are actually better than what is actually on the tv screen...
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Post by jsmells on Sept 12, 2018 6:10:10 GMT -5
What is really sad if you think about it for a minute. Back when wwf and wcw where fighting it out every week the product overall was great, the figures compared to now where barely functional. Now the quality of wwe figures overall is excellent but the product on tv is very lacking without any true competition. So now the toys are actually better than what is actually on the tv screen... Kids want toys and aren't as picky on function, they just want them. I didn't give a crap if Ultimate Warrior only moved his arms, I just WANTED an Ultimate Warrior toy. OCD Adults want perfection (for $20 or under). So a lot of what's made now is marketed towards, mostly, the adult collectors. That's why there's basics still, for kids who don't care as much and just want a Cena or Reigns toy and who's parents don't/can't drop $20 on a toy their kid will chew on. But then there's a $20 1992 Ron Simmons next to it on the shelf, which I'd bet 0 child gives 2 craps about. Toys will always be a thing. I have a kid, she likes video games, and she likes toys. Same with every other kid she knows. Same with kids from the past when video games and other forms of play-based entertainment existed. How we purchase them changes, but toys won't go anywhere.
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Post by bigjohnnybadd on Sept 13, 2018 15:26:05 GMT -5
Like it or not, tech toys are the way of the future. In the 80s and 90s when most of us grew up, plastic was all we had. The new trend in the toy industry these days though seems to be finding a common ground between technology as well as physical toys. For example, toys that interact with a phone app, internet connected toys, toys-to-life video games, etc. WWE has already started exploring this with the last retro wave. But physical toys alone will definitely only keep dwindling in popularity.
However, I don't see action figures ever completely going away in the near future. That classic "nerd" stigma that used to come with collecting figures and other collectibles doesn't really exist anymore. Popular culture has evolved to where it is now actually cool to be nerdy. Things like sci fi, pokemon, and anime are more popular than ever before. That "Forty Year Old Virgin" stereotype of the loser with a bunch of MOC toys everywhere is thankfully going away in favor of NECA, Mattel, and other such companies catering to the nerdy trends that have now become mainstream and cool. WWE fits in this category as well.
And say what you will about kids being the primary target of these figures, but come on, Mattel isn't dumb. Things like the Elite Squad and the intricate set ups at comic con and Axxess show us that they know exactly how to cater to collectors. While action figures will always be primarily aimed at kids, the elite series always and will forever be an adult collectibles line. At $20 retail, that should be clear. Kids don't care about the accuracy of attires, the accessories, or the historical significance of a figure. That's where we come in. And just like the Classic Superstars line, us collectors will keep the magic going years after Mattel decides it is no longer profitable enough to do so.
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