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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:45:19 GMT -5
Again. You think WWE has a problem with Mattel making a Valentine figure, or Martel, Mysterio or whoever. But the same company, WWE, approves people to play with that character under a WWE branded video game? That logic makes no sense 2K pays for talant, Mattel does not. That’s why I say chooses not to, rather than they ‘can’t’ They obvioisly have different contracts/deals, i say obviously, because its obvious I agree with taserface, why the double standard here?! Why are they allowing 2K to have free reign to sign whomever they want to appear in the video game yet Mattel is restricted in who they can make a figure of?? I am fairly certain that if Mattel had more freedom to make figures of whomever they wanted, we would probably have figures of The British Bulldogs & Steiner Brothers right now. These are two of the few remaining big names still left that have not been made but would sell quite well. These are also guys (specifically Dynamite Kid & Scott Steiner) like Macho Man who want nothing to do with WWE but would have no problem signing a deal with Mattel.
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Post by taserface on Sept 13, 2018 10:48:41 GMT -5
No, they don’t sign anyone themselves, because they still have to get the WWE’s approval. If the WWE didn’t sign someone to a Legends deal or doesn’t want someone to have a figure made then that wrestler isn’t getting a figure. So why would Mattel spend money on a contract that the wwe might never give an approval to make when they can just submit a list? Then the WWE will either approve it, sign them to a Legends contract or just tell Mattel no? This is it in a nutshell- they may or may not be allowed to sign deals with talent but they have decided not to do so because its counterproductive. WWE has clamped down on who Mattel can make a figure of by forcing them to submit lists for approval- only talent that WWE approves will get a figure made. As PJ mentioned, if they signed someone themselves (say Scott Steiner), WWE most likely would not give them approval to make a figure so what is the point of signing the guy to a deal if they cannot make a figure of him?! The thing that ticks me off is there might be some guys who we won't see made because they are not interested (for whatever reason) in signing a full legends deal BUT might be willing to sign a simple merchandise deal. It appears to me that with WWE its either a legends deal or nothing (except for the big name talent who's star power enables them to be able to negotiate their own separate deal). This is not arguing your point but just an additional statement. Most level headed people aren’t expecting them to go out and sign Scott Steiner, Sunny, Chyna, Snuka, Enzo, etc (people who are obviously on the poop list). We (or at least I am) are talking about guys that WWE doesn’t have any issue with. RNR Express, Martel, Valentine, Bischoff, Freebirds, etc And really. Are we supposed to think they don’t have a open line of communication with WWE? Meaning “If we sign so and so he’s ok to make an action figure of right? (barring an extreme event happening)”. It’s a yes or no answer, so no they wouldn’t be taking a chance on signing and not getting approval
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -5
They obvioisly have different contracts/deals, i say obviously, because its obvious I agree with taserface, why the double standard here?! Why are they allowing 2K to have free reign to sign whomever they want to appear in the video game yet Mattel is restricted in who they can make a figure of?? I am fairly certain that if Mattel had more freedom to make figures of whomever they wanted, we would probably have figures of The British Bulldogs & Steiner Brothers right now. These are two of the few remaining big names still left that have not been made but would sell quite well. These are also guys (specifically Dynamite Kid & Scott Steiner) like Macho Man who want nothing to do with WWE but would have no problem signing a deal with Mattel. You can absolutely agree with whoever you want, im all for opinions being expressed. But, the fact remains, Mattel do not make figures of those not on deals, Bill has said numerous times that they make figures of those WWE approve. These points are not my opinion, they are facts. It is blatantly obvious that if WWE says no, its a no. Its irrelevant who you agree with, as sure as apples is apples, those not on a deal are not getting a figure
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 12:20:00 GMT -5
I agree with taserface, why the double standard here?! Why are they allowing 2K to have free reign to sign whomever they want to appear in the video game yet Mattel is restricted in who they can make a figure of?? I am fairly certain that if Mattel had more freedom to make figures of whomever they wanted, we would probably have figures of The British Bulldogs & Steiner Brothers right now. These are two of the few remaining big names still left that have not been made but would sell quite well. These are also guys (specifically Dynamite Kid & Scott Steiner) like Macho Man who want nothing to do with WWE but would have no problem signing a deal with Mattel. You can absolutely agree with whoever you want, im all for opinions being expressed. But, the fact remains, Mattel do not make figures of those not on deals, Bill has said numerous times that they make figures of those WWE approve. These points are not my opinion, they are facts. It is blatantly obvious that if WWE says no, its a no. Its irrelevant who you agree with, as sure as apples is apples, those not on a deal are not getting a figure Im not sure if youre speaktomewarriors or another banned member but your posting is very familiar
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 12:28:49 GMT -5
You can absolutely agree with whoever you want, im all for opinions being expressed. But, the fact remains, Mattel do not make figures of those not on deals, Bill has said numerous times that they make figures of those WWE approve. These points are not my opinion, they are facts. It is blatantly obvious that if WWE says no, its a no. Its irrelevant who you agree with, as sure as apples is apples, those not on a deal are not getting a figure Im not sure if youre speaktomewarriors or another banned member but your posting is very familiar Ive never been a member before this account, but it says something if the content of my posts have been said before, ive never said anything that isnt glaringly obvious
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Post by Purple Reigns on Sept 13, 2018 13:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 15:01:35 GMT -5
I agree with taserface, why the double standard here?! Why are they allowing 2K to have free reign to sign whomever they want to appear in the video game yet Mattel is restricted in who they can make a figure of?? I am fairly certain that if Mattel had more freedom to make figures of whomever they wanted, we would probably have figures of The British Bulldogs & Steiner Brothers right now. These are two of the few remaining big names still left that have not been made but would sell quite well. These are also guys (specifically Dynamite Kid & Scott Steiner) like Macho Man who want nothing to do with WWE but would have no problem signing a deal with Mattel. You can absolutely agree with whoever you want, im all for opinions being expressed. But, the fact remains, Mattel do not make figures of those not on deals, Bill has said numerous times that they make figures of those WWE approve. These points are not my opinion, they are facts. It is blatantly obvious that if WWE says no, its a no. Its irrelevant who you agree with, as sure as apples is apples, those not on a deal are not getting a figure Is there some reason why you just keep restating the same crap over and over again?! You have yet to offer any FACTS except for repeating over and over that Bill said they can't make anyone not under a legends deal so because Bill said it that means its the absolute truth. I get it- Bill is The One, so whatever he says goes even though most of his posts on here have not been longer than a few words. According to some long time members, Bill once stated that they would never make any Scott Hall figures- that was clearly wrong as they have made quite a few Scott Hall/Razor Ramon figures. Oh and if you are 'all for opinions being expressed' then why don't you let us express our opinions without jumping on our backs every time we post a comment. This is a DISCUSSION board, people are free to make whatever comments they want (as long as they are not offensive), be they right or wrong, good or bad- that's how a healthy discussion works.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 15:03:25 GMT -5
You can absolutely agree with whoever you want, im all for opinions being expressed. But, the fact remains, Mattel do not make figures of those not on deals, Bill has said numerous times that they make figures of those WWE approve. These points are not my opinion, they are facts. It is blatantly obvious that if WWE says no, its a no. Its irrelevant who you agree with, as sure as apples is apples, those not on a deal are not getting a figure Is there some reason why you just keep restating the same crap over and over again?! You have yet to offer any FACTS except for repeating over and over that Bill said they can't make anyone not under a legends deal so because Bill said it that means its the absolute truth. I get it- Bill is The One (here I thought Billy Gunn was 'The One'), so whatever he says goes even though most of his posts on here have not been longer than a few words. According to some long time members, Bill once stated that they would never make any Scott Hall figures- that was clearly wrong as they have made plenty of Scott Hall/Razor Ramon figures. Oh and if you are 'all for opinions being expressed' then why don't you let us express our opinions without jumping on our backs every time we post a comment. This is a DISCUSSION board, people are free to make whatever comments they want (as long as they are not offensive), be they right or wrong, good or bad- that's how a healthy discussion works. We can only go by whats happening and whats said. And its you thats jumped in and arguing, am i only allowed my opinions if they match yours?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 15:19:49 GMT -5
This is not arguing your point but just an additional statement. Most level headed people aren’t expecting them to go out and sign Scott Steiner, Sunny, Chyna, Snuka, Enzo, etc (people who are obviously on the poop list). We (or at least I am) are talking about guys that WWE doesn’t have any issue with. RNR Express, Martel, Valentine, Bischoff, Freebirds, etc And really. Are we supposed to think they don’t have a open line of communication with WWE? Meaning “If we sign so and so he’s ok to make an action figure of right? (barring an extreme event happening)”. It’s a yes or no answer, so no they wouldn’t be taking a chance on signing and not getting approval I hear what you're saying but I don't think WWE would allow Mattel to do side deals because they want to have total control and get all the $$. If Mattel were to sign a side deal with Valentine, WWE would lose out on any potential merchandise revenue that the legends deal allows for. Although, with Valentine, I don't think he would make WWE a ton of money. I have a strong suspicion that there is some issue that is blocking the release of a Valentine figure. Mattel have released figures many 'niche' guys so I don't buy the 'he's too niche' argument as that is not even true as he was a fairly popular guy during the height of one of WWE's most popular eras. Its either the stupid comments he made that is to blame or perhaps he doesn't want to sign a legends deal?!
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Post by stc13 on Sept 13, 2018 16:18:12 GMT -5
This is not arguing your point but just an additional statement. Most level headed people aren’t expecting them to go out and sign Scott Steiner, Sunny, Chyna, Snuka, Enzo, etc (people who are obviously on the poop list). We (or at least I am) are talking about guys that WWE doesn’t have any issue with. RNR Express, Martel, Valentine, Bischoff, Freebirds, etc And really. Are we supposed to think they don’t have a open line of communication with WWE? Meaning “If we sign so and so he’s ok to make an action figure of right? (barring an extreme event happening)”. It’s a yes or no answer, so no they wouldn’t be taking a chance on signing and not getting approval I hear what you're saying but I don't think WWE would allow Mattel to do side deals because they want to have total control and get all the $$. If Mattel were to sign a side deal with Valentine, WWE would lose out on any potential merchandise revenue that the legends deal allows for. Although, with Valentine, I don't think he would make WWE a ton of money. I think it's actually the opposite. WWE are getting paid a set % of every dollar on all figures (the Star Wars episode of "The Toys That Made Us" has some really cool info on the contract negotiations between Lucas and Hasbro), likely with some minimum amount guaranteed (Hasbro guaranteed Marvel $80M when they extended their contract in 2013). WWE Legends contracts pay a set % of the profit to the wrestler (I believe it's 25%) out of WWE"s share of the royalties. So if WWE royalties are 20%, they pay the wrestler 1/4 of that, or 5% of the profit. Nothing comes out of Mattel's cut that was negotiated in the contract. If they signed wrestlers directly, Mattel would become responsible for paying wrestlers any advance or royalties directly out of their cut of sales. The current arrangement, with WWE paying the wrestler, doesn't add any additional costs. And as I've mentioned before, Legends deals are pretty easy to find if anyone wants to read through them and are all pretty standard. Considering that Mattel isn't doing great financially of late, I can't fault them if they don't want to set a precedent of signing wrestlers directly and taking on added costs. But people are ultimately going to think what they want, and I'm sure someone will come in screaming "you haven't seen the contract!" None of us have. None of us will. But I find it far more likely these decisions are drive by financial decisions than the "Vince loves to control things" narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 19:25:45 GMT -5
Im not sure if youre speaktomewarriors or another banned member but your posting is very familiar Ive never been a member before this account, but it says something if the content of my posts have been said before, ive never said anything that isnt glaringly obvious No, its just that you like to argue and think your opinion is fact like a few others that have been here before and were later banned
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Post by Al_Snow_MotherF***ers on Sept 13, 2018 19:40:45 GMT -5
Just think of the Spongebob meme when reading it 😂😂😂 I gotchu bruh. Thanks you da mvp
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Sept 13, 2018 20:38:58 GMT -5
Bill hates Valentine confirmed.
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Post by Collect Legends on Sept 13, 2018 20:50:51 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the Koko B Ware that was talked about for awhile?
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 13, 2018 20:54:46 GMT -5
Im not sure if youre speaktomewarriors or another banned member but your posting is very familiar I was wondering where he went. You don't come on the board for a few weeks and you miss something.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Sept 13, 2018 21:41:13 GMT -5
Bill hates Valentine confirmed. Bill hated jericho before so hopefully someday valentine will be the new jericho
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 22:24:19 GMT -5
Whatever happened to the Koko B Ware that was talked about for awhile? Bill has it in his collection. Awhile back in a discussion about the Warlord & Berzerker figures and why they went ahead with them when they are part of the concussion lawsuit, someone commented that the Koko figure was further along in production then either of those two. If this is true then that means a full prototype may exist?! Unfortunately, I don't think we will see it released anytime soon- if ever?! LOL, Perhaps he's not making a Valentine figure out of spite, since we are being so vocal and adamant about them releasing a figure of him?!
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Post by The Madness on Sept 13, 2018 22:59:46 GMT -5
I am from Valentine's era and was never much of a fan, but I would pay an embarrassing amount of money for a Retro series Rhythm & Blues version.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 1:05:26 GMT -5
Ive never been a member before this account, but it says something if the content of my posts have been said before, ive never said anything that isnt glaringly obvious No, its just that you like to argue and think your opinion is fact like a few others that have been here before and were later banned Haha, its not arguing, because im right. And the FACT remains, Mattel do not make figures without WWEs approval, not an opinion, its been stated, numerous times
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 14, 2018 3:04:08 GMT -5
No, its just that you like to argue and think your opinion is fact like a few others that have been here before and were later banned Haha, its not arguing, because im right. And the FACT remains, Mattel do not make figures without WWEs approval, not an opinion, its been stated, numerous times I don’t think you need to explain yourself anymore, you’ve only repeated what Bill has said. If the board wants to be optimistic and believe Mattel are too stingy to go out and sign wrestlers let them, not everyone will accept what Mattel’s head designer for their main line has gone on record and said.
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