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Post by k5 on Nov 23, 2018 8:15:39 GMT -5
if you said in the early 70s the New York territory was going to take off and that Vince sr’s son was going to revolutionize the business and monopolize it, nwa fans would have sounded A LOT like some of you do right now in believing that there can be no competition.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Nov 23, 2018 9:05:51 GMT -5
The only way they have a chance at competing with WWE is if they could land CM Punk. Good one.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 23, 2018 15:42:14 GMT -5
I never intended it to mean they could overtake WWE but to be a second? I see that easily especially with established stars involved? They could easily be bigger than NJPW and ROH making them the second biggest brand. The only hindrance I see is what does this guy know about running a wrestling business? Thats what made Vince so great imo. He was keen to all aspects of the business from the bottom to eventually the top. He was willing to push the envelope but thats the key word WAS. Hopefully we get a good product to watch.
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Post by davie™ on Nov 23, 2018 15:48:03 GMT -5
Nothing can ever come close to the Dubya Dubya E. Once competition starts, they'll give us what we actually want as fans lol. They know when to make good tv to keep us away from watching anything that can come close to them lol. Look at Jan 4th. TNA had the Hogan debut going head to head for the first time since WCW and WWE just brought back Bret Hart lol
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Post by LA Times on Nov 23, 2018 17:03:36 GMT -5
None of this matters if they dont have a TV deal They have money and a hella lot of it, I'm sure they can bag a t.v. deal. NBC/Universal and FOX have WWE and there arent too many options after that.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 23, 2018 18:02:51 GMT -5
They have money and a hella lot of it, I'm sure they can bag a t.v. deal. NBC/Universal and FOX have WWE and there arent too many options after that. ABC, CBS and HBO are all above Fox as more viewers and only CBS is above NBC but idk if either would go for a Wrestling Program. There's always USA or ESPN lol could you imagine if there was Pro Wrestling on ESPN and it wasn't Vinces product. Oh he'd have a meltdown.
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Post by wormnation on Nov 23, 2018 18:26:04 GMT -5
There is no competition for WWE here's why... 1) TNA & WCW both had larger financial backing (Panda Energy & Turner) then WWE did and both still failed. 2) TNA landed multiple TV deals and WCW literally had their own 2 networks...and both still failed. 3) TNA & WCW have both at some point put on a better product then WWE has...and both still failed. WWE is simply on another level that nobody is going to catch just by throwing some things together and wishing for luck. TNA was never real competition. It never got going enough. Just a lot of old names. WCW was more than competition to WWE. They won in ratings for how long. The problem WCW had was bad writing and letting the talent run things. If this new company can get a good tv deal and have a structure like WWE, they definitely could be competition. They just cant rely on old names like TNA did and WCW started doing. I think the names mentioned can get people's interest peaked and give an alternative. I would definitely check it out. I've been a life long WWF/WWE guy. Never watched Nitro. Always stuck to Raw but the product they have now sucks. I cancelled my sub and cancelled my raw and smackdown dvr recordings. We'll see what happens
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Post by JTG on Nov 23, 2018 18:35:02 GMT -5
I'm definitely intrigued by where this might go. As others have said, WWE could do with some legit competition. In my opinion money has always been the deciding factor of legitimacy for wrestling promotions and with the talent pool out there right now, I think there's no greater time to give it a shot. I'd love to see another wrestling company with the production value of WWE out there. It's been far too long. Not to mention it would provide another larger scale option for wrestlers to jump ship to.
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Post by BØRNS on Nov 23, 2018 18:39:16 GMT -5
There is no competition for WWE here's why... 1) TNA & WCW both had larger financial backing (Panda Energy & Turner) then WWE did and both still failed. 2) TNA landed multiple TV deals and WCW literally had their own 2 networks...and both still failed. 3) TNA & WCW have both at some point put on a better product then WWE has...and both still failed. WWE is simply on another level that nobody is going to catch just by throwing some things together and wishing for luck. TNA was never fully on WWE's level, touring nationally in equivalent sized arenas. It is only objectively that TNA's product was "better" than WWE (when?). The quantifiable comparison has to either be with ratings or revenue. I think anything is possible and if this startup company can challenge WWE in any capacity, I will give them a shot. Nothing is better for the consumer than competition.
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Post by BØRNS on Nov 23, 2018 18:41:02 GMT -5
If they land some big names, they could maybe come as close as when TNA landed Hogan. Otherwise I don’t think anything BIG is gonna happen. TNA, LuchaUnderground, WCW all had a few big names and all failed. WWE will fail one day. Nothing lasts forever. The state of wrestling is drastically different today than when TNA brought in Hogan, and what exactly did that do for them? He wasn't a full-time wrestler... he was a has-been and valuable in name only.
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Post by Sting on Nov 23, 2018 19:10:27 GMT -5
There is no competition for WWE here's why... 1) TNA & WCW both had larger financial backing (Panda Energy & Turner) then WWE did and both still failed. 2) TNA landed multiple TV deals and WCW literally had their own 2 networks...and both still failed. 3) TNA & WCW have both at some point put on a better product then WWE has...and both still failed. WWE is simply on another level that nobody is going to catch just by throwing some things together and wishing for luck. WCW pushed WWE all the way though, and if HBK had jumped ship that would, arguably, have been curtains for Vince. We got a path dependency situation now really, WWE is too big to go down. You gotta think it will always be around, but it’s not good on its own. I hope another promotion does become viable competition.
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Post by Sting on Nov 23, 2018 19:13:47 GMT -5
There is no competition for WWE here's why... 1) TNA & WCW both had larger financial backing (Panda Energy & Turner) then WWE did and both still failed. 2) TNA landed multiple TV deals and WCW literally had their own 2 networks...and both still failed. 3) TNA & WCW have both at some point put on a better product then WWE has...and both still failed. WWE is simply on another level that nobody is going to catch just by throwing some things together and wishing for luck. TNA was never real competition. It never got going enough. Just a lot of old names. WCW was more than competition to WWE. They won in ratings for how long. The problem WCW had was bad writing and letting the talent run things. If this new company can get a good tv deal and have a structure like WWE, they definitely could be competition. They just cant rely on old names like TNA did and WCW started doing. I think the names mentioned can get people's interest peaked and give an alternative. I would definitely check it out. I've been a life long WWF/WWE guy. Never watched Nitro. Always stuck to Raw but the product they have now sucks. I cancelled my sub and cancelled my raw and smackdown dvr recordings. We'll see what happens You never watched Nitro? Tell me you at least watched me take Hogan down at Starrcade?
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Post by wormnation on Nov 23, 2018 19:21:03 GMT -5
TNA was never real competition. It never got going enough. Just a lot of old names. WCW was more than competition to WWE. They won in ratings for how long. The problem WCW had was bad writing and letting the talent run things. If this new company can get a good tv deal and have a structure like WWE, they definitely could be competition. They just cant rely on old names like TNA did and WCW started doing. I think the names mentioned can get people's interest peaked and give an alternative. I would definitely check it out. I've been a life long WWF/WWE guy. Never watched Nitro. Always stuck to Raw but the product they have now sucks. I cancelled my sub and cancelled my raw and smackdown dvr recordings. We'll see what happens You never watched Nitro? Tell me you at least watched me take Hogan down at Starrcade? I did not. I hated WCW. The Hollywood thing was cool for a bit but I wasn't into the Crow Sting gimmick at all.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Nov 23, 2018 20:15:51 GMT -5
Khan is disgustingly rich. I live in Jacksonville and he is trying to redevelop the downtown area on his dime.
I’ll say this, if Khan has pulled The Elite in for the brains of the operation, I hope they don’t think about competition for a while. Create a solid fan base, with a solid product. Honestly, if they brand their show with the same branding of BTE with whats expected from the top i dy stars in-ring, this could be huge. A TV deal would be major, and Khan has ties with the likes of ESPN, which could do wonders as far as promoting. I am very interested in how this develops as Jericho and Ross were also in talks with a very rich backer in a new promotion. I wonder, is Khan their guy too?
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Post by LA Times on Nov 23, 2018 20:18:48 GMT -5
There is no competition for WWE here's why... 1) TNA & WCW both had larger financial backing (Panda Energy & Turner) then WWE did and both still failed. 2) TNA landed multiple TV deals and WCW literally had their own 2 networks...and both still failed. 3) TNA & WCW have both at some point put on a better product then WWE has...and both still failed. WWE is simply on another level that nobody is going to catch just by throwing some things together and wishing for luck. TNA was never fully on WWE's level, touring nationally in equivalent sized arenas. It is only objectively that TNA's product was "better" than WWE (when?). The quantifiable comparison has to either be with ratings or revenue. I think anything is possible and if this startup company can challenge WWE in any capacity, I will give them a shot. Nothing is better for the consumer than competition. I would say TNA from 2009-2015 was better than WWE. They were a hot property at one point, but Dixie Carter's fascination with Vince Russo ruined everything.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 23, 2018 20:36:17 GMT -5
TNA was never fully on WWE's level, touring nationally in equivalent sized arenas. It is only objectively that TNA's product was "better" than WWE (when?). The quantifiable comparison has to either be with ratings or revenue. I think anything is possible and if this startup company can challenge WWE in any capacity, I will give them a shot. Nothing is better for the consumer than competition. I would say TNA from 2009-2015 was better than WWE. They were a hot property at one point, but Dixie Carter's fascination with Vince Russo ruined everything. when it was Styles, Daniels, Kazarian, Christian, Angle, Abyss, Monty Brown, LAX, Team 3-D, MCMG or basically mainly all "home grown" talent with the 6 sided ring it was insanely original. Monsters Ball, King of the Mountain, Electric 6 sided cage, Ultimate X, All of that was phenomenal.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 23, 2018 21:05:15 GMT -5
Khan is disgustingly rich. I live in Jacksonville and he is trying to redevelop the downtown area on his dime. I’ll say this, if Khan has pulled The Elite in for the brains of the operation, I hope they don’t think about competition for a while. Create a solid fan base, with a solid product. Honestly, if they brand their show with the same branding of BTE with whats expected from the top i dy stars in-ring, this could be huge. A TV deal would be major, and Khan has ties with the likes of ESPN, which could do wonders as far as promoting. I am very interested in how this develops as Jericho and Ross were also in talks with a very rich backer in a new promotion. I wonder, is Khan their guy too? All the speculation leads to those two being counsel for this potential promotion and just there to lend a hand, not necessarily having a leading role in getting it started up. The difference is Khan has tons of money, but he doesn’t own a network, which is how Turner was able to just decide to go head to head with Vince. Right now there aren’t many cable networks interested in wrestling with the market cornered by WWE. I’m sure word got out a while ago about his interest, and should come as no surprise as to why nxt has been grabbing up Indy talent like crazy for the last few years. If Cody and the Elite are indeed behind this new promotion as well, that would be why WWE would want them as well. Hell, they might offer the money and the creativity if their viewed as a significant threat, but somehow I doubt that.
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Post by wormnation on Nov 23, 2018 21:25:12 GMT -5
TNA was never fully on WWE's level, touring nationally in equivalent sized arenas. It is only objectively that TNA's product was "better" than WWE (when?). The quantifiable comparison has to either be with ratings or revenue. I think anything is possible and if this startup company can challenge WWE in any capacity, I will give them a shot. Nothing is better for the consumer than competition. I would say TNA from 2009-2015 was better than WWE. They were a hot property at one point, but Dixie Carter's fascination with Vince Russo ruined everything. You are in the minority on that one
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Post by jayrod2009 on Nov 23, 2018 21:38:15 GMT -5
Khan is disgustingly rich. I live in Jacksonville and he is trying to redevelop the downtown area on his dime. I’ll say this, if Khan has pulled The Elite in for the brains of the operation, I hope they don’t think about competition for a while. Create a solid fan base, with a solid product. Honestly, if they brand their show with the same branding of BTE with whats expected from the top i dy stars in-ring, this could be huge. A TV deal would be major, and Khan has ties with the likes of ESPN, which could do wonders as far as promoting. I am very interested in how this develops as Jericho and Ross were also in talks with a very rich backer in a new promotion. I wonder, is Khan their guy too? All the speculation leads to those two being counsel for this potential promotion and just there to lend a hand, not necessarily having a leading role in getting it started up. The difference is Khan has tons of money, but he doesn’t own a network, which is how Turner was able to just decide to go head to head with Vince. Right now there aren’t many cable networks interested in wrestling with the market cornered by WWE. I’m sure word got out a while ago about his interest, and should come as no surprise as to why nxt has been grabbing up Indy talent like crazy for the last few years. If Cody and the Elite are indeed behind this new promotion as well, that would be why WWE would want them as well. Hell, they might offer the money and the creativity if their viewed as a significant threat, but somehow I doubt that. Lets be honset, there is no real threat to WWE right now. Even if every promotion and wrestler gathered for super shows, the WWE would still garner more profits. Maybe in 5 years time this will affect WWE’s creative, but it would take major major ship jumpers for Vince to even bat an eye.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 23, 2018 21:59:36 GMT -5
This will affect ROH & TNA long before it is even on WWE's radar.
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