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Post by MKSavage on Mar 24, 2024 13:52:49 GMT -5
Could be possible they only do another 4 and if that’s the case they need to give us, sherri, liz, heenan and monsoon. Need a Macho King in long tights, heel Jake the Snake Roberts, a better Ravishing Rick Rude - maybe with short hair, Iraqi-sympathizer Sgt. Slaughter.
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Post by RealMattHopkins on Mar 24, 2024 14:12:49 GMT -5
Like a lot of other guys, I think that this line could do with some more body types - the most obviously needed being a thicker-set, Hasbro Duggan style that could work for a fair few guys from that era. But to say Mattel aren’t adding new molds isn’t really accurate - we’ve had Mean Gene, R&B Greg, Tugboat/ Vader, Jerry Lawler, Hogan and the ladies in recent sets. They are slowly introducing new parts as the sets roll out. And I’m starting to feel that Mattel are kind of damned if they do, damned if they don’t…. They try giving new action features/molds, like the Cena and the Sami Zayn kick, and are met with: “I hate that body” “Those arms are too tiny” “It doesn’t stand up” They give announcers/ managers and ladies, and are met with: “I don’t want them as they weren’t done by Hasbro!” They try broadening the line with wrestlers from pre- & post-Hasbro era and are met with: “That’s not my era” Personally, I give them props for trying some new things with the action moves - and I’d be interested in seeing more. However, that is obviously not to say that there aren’t some design and/ or practical issues - some of the kickers being a bit twitchy and difficult to stay standing up is an issue. The main frustration for me is some of the design choices: The Angle/Lex body is NOT suitable for Anvil. Personally, I don’t mind the body type; although I appreciate that it looks a little disjointed (not too dissimilar to how the jumpers do). And it definitely isn’t suitable for everyone. But where am I going in this ramble….ultimately, I suppose we have to stop using a hard comparison to the hasbros. These are not hasbros. They are retros. Inspired by hasbros. A nod to hasbros. But not hasbros. From the very first series the proportions have stood out as them being pretty distinct from hasbros. It’s probably about time, after all these years, that we accept that these are not hasbros and start to enjoy them for being their own thing. Retros. And if you don’t like retros, that’s fine! But maybe it’s worth moving along instead of fueling your own continued frustration. Agree with all of this. I think there is always a risk of playing to the online crowd. There are going to be people that simply exist to complain. In fact, they ENJOY the complaining. Overall, the Retro line is amazing in my opinion. I love that they are branching out and trying new things. I won't "love" every experiment but I do appreciate the effort and the artistic, creative process. I am someone that really enjoys those deep cuts, too. I mean, Wendi Richter was featured only in the first Wrestlemania and that was about 40yrs ago and yet I am one of those weird, wrestling historian type fans that enjoys exploring those historical wrestlers and the figures they inspire. Isaac Yankem is, for sure, a deep cut. But, then, the WWF Hasbro line had many of those as well. Skinner? Nailz? Repo Man? These weren't exactly mainstream. Hopefully Mattel can continue to do these more deep cut figures and an added bonus is that it will give some revenue to the performers themselves. All that said... Sherri, Elizabeth and Bobby Heenan are my top three wants. I hope they can get those done soon. I am assuming that at least one more wave will be announced at Wrestlemania week, if not one more wave plus a teaser. Looking forward to that!
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Post by whybecauseican on Mar 24, 2024 15:43:04 GMT -5
I think Mattel have forgotten what Retro's are and the time period they represent. New Gen, Attitude era, a 5th Shawn Michaels are all wasted opportunities. Out of the 24 (or 36 with Ringside) figures released so far only 6 have been true to the era (fit in with Hasbro's) With only 4 sets left I hope Mattel start listening to who fans want in this series rather than produce another 4 figures nobody asked for. What do you mean 4 sets left? Who said there is only 4 sets left? never heard of this. Who said that? They seem to be going better than ever and having the ringside exc and the ring surely shows this line is hear to stay for a good while. If not here comes another WEWANTRETRO Movement
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Post by pickle on Mar 24, 2024 18:10:37 GMT -5
I think Mattel have forgotten what Retro's are and the time period they represent. New Gen, Attitude era, a 5th Shawn Michaels are all wasted This is an insane thing to say about a line that released the majority of its figures during the new gen lol But even if it wasn't a new gen toy line, the fact is that WWE don't have enough late-Hulkamania era guys signed to sustain a line.
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Post by g4 on Mar 27, 2024 9:35:42 GMT -5
I think Mattel have forgotten what Retro's are and the time period they represent. New Gen, Attitude era, a 5th Shawn Michaels are all wasted This is an insane thing to say about a line that released the majority of its figures during the new gen lol But even if it wasn't a new gen toy line, the fact is that WWE don't have enough late-Hulkamania era guys signed to sustain a line. Hasbro's were made from 90-94 (Mania 6 - 10) Hard to argue as google states New Gen starting in 1993 but Mania 9 and 10 were not New Gen. New Gen was Isaac Yankem, Short shorts Bulldog, Alunda, sad Shawn. My point is there's dozens of pages of retro names here fans have requested. Not once did I see anybody ask for the above 4.
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Post by pickle on Mar 27, 2024 9:53:10 GMT -5
Hasbro's were made from 90-94 (Mania 6 - 10) Hard to argue as google states New Gen starting in 1993 but Mania 9 and 10 were not New Gen. New Gen was Isaac Yankem, Short shorts Bulldog, Alunda, sad Shawn. My point is there's dozens of pages of retro names here fans have requested. Not once did I see anybody ask for the above 4. New Gen unofficially started when Bret won the belt, but most people just say 1993. The majority of wwf hasbro figures were released in 93/94. It's a mostly new gen line. If you don't want new gen wrestlers, go collect big rubber guys. Ps somebody literally asked for an Alundra Blaze in this very thread on pg 256 - a few weeks before the official one was announced. Maybe you just don't follow the line very closely?
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Post by g4 on Mar 27, 2024 9:58:12 GMT -5
I think Mattel have forgotten what Retro's are and the time period they represent. New Gen, Attitude era, a 5th Shawn Michaels are all wasted opportunities. Out of the 24 (or 36 with Ringside) figures released so far only 6 have been true to the era (fit in with Hasbro's) With only 4 sets left I hope Mattel start listening to who fans want in this series rather than produce another 4 figures nobody asked for. What do you mean 4 sets left? OK, so Mattel said when Retro's 1st came back that 10 sets had been planned out in advance. It's possible I read to much into it thinking 10 only? Fair points, I guess if successful the line will continue! However, if these sets continue to collect dust for months after release instead of selling out immediately like other Mattel releases, Mattel will drop this line again and we'll never the names we want.
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Post by g4 on Mar 27, 2024 10:02:32 GMT -5
Hasbro's were made from 90-94 (Mania 6 - 10) Hard to argue as google states New Gen starting in 1993 but Mania 9 and 10 were not New Gen. New Gen was Isaac Yankem, Short shorts Bulldog, Alunda, sad Shawn. My point is there's dozens of pages of retro names here fans have requested. Not once did I see anybody ask for the above 4. New Gen unofficially started when Bret won the belt, but most people just say 1993. The majority of wwf hasbro figures were released in 93/94. It's a mostly new gen line. If you don't want new gen wrestlers, go collect big rubber guys. Ps somebody literally asked for an Alundra Blaze in this very thread on pg 256 - a few weeks before the official one was announced. Maybe you just don't follow the line very closely? I know what google says but I see New Gen as much later. I saw that guy's custom. Was cool but it's no Miss Elizabeth or Sensational Sherri so it's like getting Paul Bearer before Bobby, Fuji, Slick etc waste of a spot imo
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Post by pickle on Mar 27, 2024 10:43:44 GMT -5
I know what google says but I see New Gen as much later. I saw that guy's custom. Was cool but it's no Miss Elizabeth or Sensational Sherri so it's like getting Paul Bearer before Bobby, Fuji, Slick etc waste of a spot imo I mean, you said WMX was not New Gen, and then in the same breath said Alundra Blaze (who started getting the big push at WMX) was New Gen. I don't we should go by what your definition of New Gen is, since you can barely wrap your head around it yourself. Ps Bobby, Fuji and Slick aren't signed, and there's no indication Elizabeth or Sherri are either. What do you want Mattel to do? Just don't make retros until they sign the guys you want?
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Post by mrh on Mar 27, 2024 16:38:03 GMT -5
I feel like I saw a lot less pictures (and excitement) for the recent wave with Hogan, Richter, etc.
I hope this New Gen wave sells better, and numbers dictate they stick to more of those eras
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Mar 27, 2024 18:42:45 GMT -5
I feel like I saw a lot less pictures (and excitement) for the recent wave with Hogan, Richter, etc. I hope this New Gen wave sells better, and numbers dictate they stick to more of those eras I think it'll sell well. And yes, Alundra has been asked for over and over again, and new Bulldog and especially an updated Shawn. Execution is a little lacking, but they're figure people have been wanting. Hasbros were out from 90-94, and each series usually took about a year in production, so really it depicts 89-93. The green card guys were all guys that came in, in mid/late 93, Kid, Gunns, Borga, Bomb. And the orange cards were based on late 93 or maybe early 94. As far as what is new gen, usually the clear line is KOTR 93 when Hogan goes away for good until after WCW closes. But, some would say 92/93 is a transition period, maybe could go so far as to say New Gen started when Hogan left initially after WM 8, or when Bret won the belt in Oct 92.
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Post by mrh on Mar 27, 2024 19:02:44 GMT -5
Yeah - I'm really excited for Alundra and Yankem, and hopefully can make most of the money back by selling HBK and Bulldog.
Speaking of, if anyone is interested, I've got some good Retros in the Classified section (and am looking for a loose Hogan NWO).
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Post by nomorexclusives on Mar 28, 2024 6:25:19 GMT -5
What do you mean 4 sets left? OK, so Mattel said when Retro's 1st came back that 10 sets had been planned out in advance. It's possible I read to much into it thinking 10 only? Fair points, I guess if successful the line will continue! However, if these sets continue to collect dust for months after release instead of selling out immediately like other Mattel releases, Mattel will drop this line again and we'll never the names we want. Hmmm sounds like this is par for thecourse. They did the same for the motuwwe line and we are now at s10 for the superstars with no news if the line will continue. I have no doubt that the retros will continue. There is no risk for mattel as they are on creations and they are easy to make. It could continue indefintely and i hope it does. Same for the superstars. I dont believe they have to sell out. Many people wait for prices to drop. Not everyone can afford to pay full price. These figures were 3 for 5 at kaybees once. Inflation is tough on us all. Hopefully mattel will clearance them out at bogo prices soon. They are still going to make a profit even then. Profit margins are high on these. There is zero reason to discontinue this line. They are way too popular like the superstars. Im sure we will get news on at least 2-3 new series at wrestlemania.
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Post by nomorexclusives on Mar 28, 2024 6:52:49 GMT -5
Like a lot of other guys, I think that this line could do with some more body types - the most obviously needed being a thicker-set, Hasbro Duggan style that could work for a fair few guys from that era. But to say Mattel aren’t adding new molds isn’t really accurate - we’ve had Mean Gene, R&B Greg, Tugboat/ Vader, Jerry Lawler, Hogan and the ladies in recent sets. They are slowly introducing new parts as the sets roll out. And I’m starting to feel that Mattel are kind of damned if they do, damned if they don’t…. They try giving new action features/molds, like the Cena and the Sami Zayn kick, and are met with: “I hate that body” “Those arms are too tiny” “It doesn’t stand up” They give announcers/ managers and ladies, and are met with: “I don’t want them as they weren’t done by Hasbro!” They try broadening the line with wrestlers from pre- & post-Hasbro era and are met with: “That’s not my era” Personally, I give them props for trying some new things with the action moves - and I’d be interested in seeing more. However, that is obviously not to say that there aren’t some design and/ or practical issues - some of the kickers being a bit twitchy and difficult to stay standing up is an issue. The main frustration for me is some of the design choices: The Angle/Lex body is NOT suitable for Anvil. Personally, I don’t mind the body type; although I appreciate that it looks a little disjointed (not too dissimilar to how the jumpers do). And it definitely isn’t suitable for everyone. But where am I going in this ramble….ultimately, I suppose we have to stop using a hard comparison to the hasbros. These are not hasbros. They are retros. Inspired by hasbros. A nod to hasbros. But not hasbros. From the very first series the proportions have stood out as them being pretty distinct from hasbros. It’s probably about time, after all these years, that we accept that these are not hasbros and start to enjoy them for being their own thing. Retros. And if you don’t like retros, that’s fine! But maybe it’s worth moving along instead of fueling your own continued frustration. Agree with all of this. I think there is always a risk of playing to the online crowd. There are going to be people that simply exist to complain. In fact, they ENJOY the complaining. Overall, the Retro line is amazing in my opinion. I love that they are branching out and trying new things. I won't "love" every experiment but I do appreciate the effort and the artistic, creative process. I am someone that really enjoys those deep cuts, too. I mean, Wendi Richter was featured only in the first Wrestlemania and that was about 40yrs ago and yet I am one of those weird, wrestling historian type fans that enjoys exploring those historical wrestlers and the figures they inspire. Isaac Yankem is, for sure, a deep cut. But, then, the WWF Hasbro line had many of those as well. Skinner? Nailz? Repo Man? These weren't exactly mainstream. Hopefully Mattel can continue to do these more deep cut figures and an added bonus is that it will give some revenue to the performers themselves. All that said... Sherri, Elizabeth and Bobby Heenan are my top three wants. I hope they can get those done soon. I am assuming that at least one more wave will be announced at Wrestlemania week, if not one more wave plus a teaser. Looking forward to that! Good points As a big new fan of both lines (was not collecting the hasbros as a kid) i dont think they need to change much. If they include an andre or big john studd, diesel, undertaker or kane they could give them slightly larger bodies like hasbro's hacksaw body but i hope they dont add articulation or other gimmicks. I have said this many times on forums when it relates to figures or collectible cards or any collectible. Dont fix it if aint broke. I could point to numerous companies that did just that and ended up shooting themselves in the foot. If we want to kwep this line going for another 10 years and i fully believe it could then we should let mattel stick with the same(current) formula. They know what they need to make (their bottom line) to make it worthwhile). The higher ups are not making these to please us. They are making them to make money. Best we can do is to keep supporting the line. From what i understand now mattel does not want to release the list of names signed with them to keep competitors out of the loop. If they did not have that constraint then i would have no doubt that they would give us a list of names we could choose ( vote on) from one year in advance. Bottom line, they were maybe not as mainstream as the ljn bendies but none of that matters. These are on creations so mattel has no reason to shut this line down. They are getting a lot of new customers buying their other exclusive figures from this collectors base and vice versa. If they cancel this line than all these other less popular lines will follow. They would never do that as they have gained a lot of new collectors this way. The he-man crossover collectors with the superstars and the ljn guys with their colliseum collection to name 2. And soon the mini figure collectors with their new crunchers line. We need to all breathe and relax. S1 and 2 are selling out on ebay so mattel knows demand is there. Plus the wwe from what i see is more popular than ever. As far as action figures go there is no other reason to go to walmart. It is the only brand that is collectible right now. Star wars is dead, gijoe classifieds are a dime a dozen, tmnt classics are overproduced and dead apparently and transformers are not moving as the quality of the originals is easily 10x as strong as the current plastic lineup. So yeah wrestling is where its at now until the day the action figure aisle dissapears or gets moved to the inclusive barbie section. We are the last hope to keep this hobby (action figure collecting) alive. One last note: since these are on creations mattel has all the necessary information needed to gauge how many to produce. Unlike the superstars line which is being handicapped by walmart making large orders of figures that are now clearanced at ollies, this line doesnt have a 3rd party controlling its destiny. I am against all retailer exclusives and believe that the only way to give a line its longevity is to make them available directly from the manufacturer. This way they dont overproduce a series which would otherwise kill the entire line at retail ("walmart is a line killer"). So since retros are on creations mattel can keep tabs on how many sell. I am sure this nzmber will go up and down depending on the lineup but mattel can adjust for that aheD of time. They already know hulk will sell out as opposed a wendy richter but this is also why they are selling them as a 4 pack instead of individually. This is part of that formula that we (mattel) should not mess with. It is all going as planned. Lets just make sure we help them with the assortments so each series stays popular. Im pretty sure andre is coming soon so that series will surely sell out. Edit: as far as changes to the figures to make them more suitable for each character. I am torn on this. I personally hate the 2016 lineup (the u.warrior for example, as i really dislike the chest plate look or the waist articulation) but as matthopkins said said some figures like andre should stand out from the rest (even hasbro did this with several figures, yokozuna,giant gonzalez ) so i hope they stick to that. I believe they will as they did the same in the superstars lines (andre) however they did not make 7 footers like kane or undertaker larger. Time will tell i guess.
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Post by freaqualizer on Mar 28, 2024 8:04:40 GMT -5
I know we have all wanted to see new actions incorporated into the line. Which made me think of some of the other actions that were on Hasbros that we haven’t seen in the Mattel line yet, and I thought of the Giant Gonzalez/Skinner/Warrior 3 action. Would anyone like to see this action included on the Mattel Retros? If so, who do you think would best suit this action? Would be cool to see the Million Dollar Man/Bushwhacker Luke stomp for Seth Rollins. Or the bear hug action for Batista.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Mar 28, 2024 10:00:08 GMT -5
[ New Gen was Isaac Yankem, Short shorts Bulldog, Alunda, sad Shawn. My point is there's dozens of pages of retro names here fans have requested. Not once did I see anybody ask for the above 4. I know what’s happened. You must have a setting on where you’ve ignored any posts where people want figures you don’t want.
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 28, 2024 11:33:13 GMT -5
This is an insane thing to say about a line that released the majority of its figures during the new gen lol But even if it wasn't a new gen toy line, the fact is that WWE don't have enough late-Hulkamania era guys signed to sustain a line. Hasbro's were made from 90-94 (Mania 6 - 10) Hard to argue as google states New Gen starting in 1993 but Mania 9 and 10 were not New Gen. New Gen was Isaac Yankem, Short shorts Bulldog, Alunda, sad Shawn. My point is there's dozens of pages of retro names here fans have requested. Not once did I see anybody ask for the above 4. I don't know about Isaac Yankem, but the other three have been requested on this forum before. A lot of people have wanted the version of Shawn that wasn't released by Hasbro (Virgil punching action). I know that one has been asked for numerous times. And I believe most people were asking for Alundra Blayze more so than just about any other female talent other than Sherri. I don't know if Bulldog was requested a lot, but some have asked for an updated version, preferably from 1994-1997, so this one fits in that time frame.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Mar 29, 2024 9:19:07 GMT -5
So just listened to MWFP and their comments on this newest set, little surprised by their lack of enthusiasm for it, and they said the community in general is down on it. Are they? I thought in general people seemed to be much more down on the previous WM1 set.
Despite the flaws in the exectution which are present in every wave, I thought these would have been pretty well recieved. Definatly my favorite since at least the orange set.
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Post by nomorexclusives on Mar 29, 2024 9:32:11 GMT -5
So just listened to MWFP and their comments on this newest set, little surprised by their lack of enthusiasm for it, and they said the community in general is down on it. Are they? I thought in general people seemed to be much more down on the previous WM1 set. Despite the flaws in the exectution which are present in every wave, I thought these would have been pretty well recieved. Definatly my favorite since at least the orange set. I love the new set. Haven't seen much negative reaction on it. I think it will sell just fine. The assortment is actually a good sign. If mattel only put out the most popular wrestlers in each wave than they are thinking short term but if they mix in 2 midcarders/obscure wrestlers than they are in my opinion going to try to go all the way.
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Post by mrh on Mar 29, 2024 18:26:22 GMT -5
I'm surprised by what MWFP said about this set - and I love their show. Maybe their Facebook group has a different reaction, but I'd want to know what the objections were. I hope the sales numbers show they're wrong
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