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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 20, 2019 9:18:24 GMT -5
It really doesn't make any sense to me how you guys can watch WWE's product for as long as you have and not understand why Sasha might be upset, or why she has to reconsider her place in the business. We criticize the company all the time for the ridiculous crap they pull, but when wrestlers actually agree with that, decide to strike out on their own and go elsewhere, we get upset. Why? They don't owe us anything. Some guys, no matter how talented they are, will never get the recognition they deserve and will constantly get tossed to the side for someone else the company prefers. If Sasha finally sees that nothing's changing, and she's decided to move on, I don't blame her at all. This has been building up for months now. I'm not even going to go there and talk about the possible reasons why 90% of the posts here are filled with all this disgust and contempt (even though I could), but at the end of the day, Sasha has to do what's best for Sasha. If she leaves, I hope she finds happiness somewhere else. If not, then she's completely at the mercy of the WWE and they'll try making an example out of her until she blows up and never comes back. Either way, it's her career and her life. And other than a paycheck they aren’t owed anything either. They signed a contract with the WWE and as soon as the wrestler feels they aren’t getting what they think they should be getting they pull this crap of asking for their release. So rather than trying to work their way up for something better they want to quit and go someplace else where they feel they’ll get more. Here’s an idea finish your contract and then don’t resign. I don’t care who they are if I was in charge of the WWE I wouldn’t grant any of them their release. They should start treating them like NCAA coaches and make them have a buyout clause. Oh you're not happy being a 4 time Womens champ and the first womens tag champ and want to leave? That's cool, give us a million and you can go all in somewhere else.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 20, 2019 9:35:07 GMT -5
And other than a paycheck they aren’t owed anything either. They signed a contract with the WWE and as soon as the wrestler feels they aren’t getting what they think they should be getting they pull this crap of asking for their release. So rather than trying to work their way up for something better they want to quit and go someplace else where they feel they’ll get more. Here’s an idea finish your contract and then don’t resign. I don’t care who they are if I was in charge of the WWE I wouldn’t grant any of them their release. They should start treating them like NCAA coaches and make them have a buyout clause. Oh you're not happy being a 4 time Womens champ and the first womens tag champ and want to leave? That's cool, give us a million and you can go all in somewhere else. I do love this idea.
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Post by ecwrhino on Apr 20, 2019 9:38:46 GMT -5
Good. Hope she takes her wig with her.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Apr 20, 2019 10:18:32 GMT -5
People criticizing Sasha has nothing to do with her being a woman, or a woman of color. It stems from her being treated VERY well on the main roster yet still not being satisfied and seemingly feeling that she should never have to lose a match or drop a title. Sasha Banks is a multi-time Raw women's champion. Half of the first ever WWE Women's tag team champions. She was in the first ever women's royal rumble, hell in a cell, and elimination chamber matches. Wrestling is an up and down system. At times faces are on top, at other times heels are on top. To advance the story they need to alternate. Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way. I think the reason why people such as Luke Harper and the Revival requesting their releases was met with praise was because they have not been given even an iota of the opportunities and succes that Sasha Banks has. She's arguably been given more titles and success than anyone else besides Alexa Bliss and Charlotte, but acts like she's mistreated. So again, nothing having to do with gender or race and everything to do with not appreciating what she's been given by WWE. Daniel Bryan, Bobby Lashley, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, the Revival, and Buddy Murphy were all asked to lose Titles at WrestleMania; none of them are reported to have thrown fits and tried to quit. Seems like they understand that WWE is a show and Titles are just props to advance the story and it seems Sasha takes it as a personal demotion. First of all, "she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way". There has yet to be any verified proof that she did anything the rumours have suggested. The "temper tantrum" story reported by Ryan Satin has already been shown to be less than credible, given that he tweeted "I never said that they laid on the floor", after previously tweeting "Sasha Banks and Bayley were laying on the floor". Furthermore, there is still no proof that Sasha did actually try to quit at all. In fact, there's far more evidence that these rumours have no truth to them, given that Sasha shared a photo of her smiling with the IIconics after their win, she's tweeted using WWE hashtags, and WWE continue to promote her on social media and on commentary during their weekly broadcasts. All three of these things suggest that this is either a work, or a rumour started by "journalists" with nothing better to do. So I would perhaps not blindly believe these stories and hold them against her. Secondly, I agree that wrestling is an up and down system. But I cannot agree with your statement that she's been "treated VERY well". She has 4 RAW Women's title reigns, yes. However, those four title reigns number a total of 82 days combined. Hardly prestigious title reigns! She was in the first ever women's Royal Rumble match, the first women's Hell in a Cell, and the first women's Elimination Chamber match. But did she win any of them? No! Every big match she's been in, she's almost always been booked to lose. After a year of campaigning for Vince to create the Women's Tag Team Championships, the Boss 'n' Hug Connection were crowned the first champions, as they rightly should have been for their efforts in creating them. And then they're booked to lose them a mere 2 months later after their appearance on NXT strongly hinted that they would be given a long and prestigious reign, before they even had the chance to defend those titles on NXT? The whole point of a championship is to make it prestigious. That can't be achieved if the company is hot-potatoing the titles pretty much immediately. Another title reign, another quick loss. IF this decision was indeed only made known to Sasha and Bayley the day of, it's very understandable IF they were unhappy with the decision. All the effort gone into making them a reality would seem wasted if the company treats them as props to constantly throw around, rather than prestigious championships. The championships are ultimately props for a show, you are correct. But the appearance of prestige cannot be understated. Being given a championship is a sign from the company that "we appreciate what you're doing and think you deserve to be viewed as one of our best". If it's a title that's already constantly passed around on a whim, or is only given for a very brief period of time, that doesn't mean much. Your statement of "Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way" isn't exactly accurate, is it? She's previously dropped a championship 4 times on the main roster. Were there rumours of her threatening to quit after dropping the titles repeatedly to Charlotte Flair, and then to Alexa Bliss? I certainly don't remember any. If there were, were any of them proved correct? I don't see how you can act like this is apparently constant behaviour. Was she reportedly complaining or threatening to quit after losing the first women's Royal Rumble match or Elimination Chamber match? I didn't think so. If you'd listened to any interviews with Sasha, you'd know how much she appreciates WWE. She's constantly gushing about how working for WWE has always been her dream and how happy she is to be there. But IF she feels she could attain success elsewhere when she's consistently not booked anywhere close to the top of the division, can you really blame her for wanting to take a chance on herself? She's constantly referenced by co-workers as being incredibly passionate. Passionate people obviously always want their work to mean something. Mike Kanellis put it into words particularly well when asked by a fan about Sasha "bitching and complaining about everything like spoiled brats", with his tweet reading: "what you call bitching, I call being passionate". If her co-workers don't have a problem with her, why should you? If anybody has a right to be upset with a wrestler's backstage behaviour, it's their co-workers. If they're not upset, then fans shouldn't be either, as far as I'm concerned. Again, I must emphasise this: NOTHING these rumours suggest has been proved at this point. It would be nice if a lot of people weren't blindly accepting them as fact. Speculate on them IF they are true, I have no problem with that. But getting all angry and insulting Sasha Banks for something she's not proved to have actually done makes no sense to me. Without proof of these claims, there is simply no need whatsoever to launch any personal attacks on the individual involved.
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Post by PJ on Apr 20, 2019 10:39:38 GMT -5
That’s still 4 reigns and 82 days more than plenty of other women have had. Hell, that’s plenty more than many of any of the talent in the wwe has had man or woman. And as for being part of the first ever matches I am sure there’s many in the locker room that would have loved to be on the losing end of one of them.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Apr 20, 2019 11:07:40 GMT -5
People criticizing Sasha has nothing to do with her being a woman, or a woman of color. It stems from her being treated VERY well on the main roster yet still not being satisfied and seemingly feeling that she should never have to lose a match or drop a title. Sasha Banks is a multi-time Raw women's champion. Half of the first ever WWE Women's tag team champions. She was in the first ever women's royal rumble, hell in a cell, and elimination chamber matches. Wrestling is an up and down system. At times faces are on top, at other times heels are on top. To advance the story they need to alternate. Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way. I think the reason why people such as Luke Harper and the Revival requesting their releases was met with praise was because they have not been given even an iota of the opportunities and succes that Sasha Banks has. She's arguably been given more titles and success than anyone else besides Alexa Bliss and Charlotte, but acts like she's mistreated. So again, nothing having to do with gender or race and everything to do with not appreciating what she's been given by WWE. Daniel Bryan, Bobby Lashley, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, the Revival, and Buddy Murphy were all asked to lose Titles at WrestleMania; none of them are reported to have thrown fits and tried to quit. Seems like they understand that WWE is a show and Titles are just props to advance the story and it seems Sasha takes it as a personal demotion. First of all, "she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way". There has yet to be any verified proof that she did anything the rumours have suggested. The "temper tantrum" story reported by Ryan Satin has already been shown to be less than credible, given that he tweeted "I never said that they laid on the floor", after previously tweeting "Sasha Banks and Bayley were laying on the floor". Furthermore, there is still no proof that Sasha did actually try to quit at all. In fact, there's far more evidence that these rumours have no truth to them, given that Sasha shared a photo of her smiling with the IIconics after their win, she's tweeted using WWE hashtags, and WWE continue to promote her on social media and on commentary during their weekly broadcasts. All three of these things suggest that this is either a work, or a rumour started by "journalists" with nothing better to do. So I would perhaps not blindly believe these stories and hold them against her. Secondly, I agree that wrestling is an up and down system. But I cannot agree with your statement that she's been "treated VERY well". She has 4 RAW Women's title reigns, yes. However, those four title reigns number a total of 82 days combined. Hardly prestigious title reigns! She was in the first ever women's Royal Rumble match, the first women's Hell in a Cell, and the first women's Elimination Chamber match. But did she win any of them? No! Every big match she's been in, she's almost always been booked to lose. After a year of campaigning for Vince to create the Women's Tag Team Championships, the Boss 'n' Hug Connection were crowned the first champions, as they rightly should have been for their efforts in creating them. And then they're booked to lose them a mere 2 months later after their appearance on NXT strongly hinted that they would be given a long and prestigious reign, before they even had the chance to defend those titles on NXT? The whole point of a championship is to make it prestigious. That can't be achieved if the company is hot-potatoing the titles pretty much immediately. Another title reign, another quick loss. IF this decision was indeed only made known to Sasha and Bayley the day of, it's very understandable IF they were unhappy with the decision. All the effort gone into making them a reality would seem wasted if the company treats them as props to constantly throw around, rather than prestigious championships. The championships are ultimately props for a show, you are correct. But the appearance of prestige cannot be understated. Being given a championship is a sign from the company that "we appreciate what you're doing and think you deserve to be viewed as one of our best". If it's a title that's already constantly passed around on a whim, or is only given for a very brief period of time, that doesn't mean much. Your statement of "Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way" isn't exactly accurate, is it? She's previously dropped a championship 4 times on the main roster. Were there rumours of her threatening to quit after dropping the titles repeatedly to Charlotte Flair, and then to Alexa Bliss? I certainly don't remember any. If there were, were any of them proved correct? I don't see how you can act like this is apparently constant behaviour. Was she reportedly complaining or threatening to quit after losing the first women's Royal Rumble match or Elimination Chamber match? I didn't think so. If you'd listened to any interviews with Sasha, you'd know how much she appreciates WWE. She's constantly gushing about how working for WWE has always been her dream and how happy she is to be there. But IF she feels she could attain success elsewhere when she's consistently not booked anywhere close to the top of the division, can you really blame her for wanting to take a chance on herself? She's constantly referenced by co-workers as being incredibly passionate. Passionate people obviously always want their work to mean something. Mike Kanellis put it into words particularly well when asked by a fan about Sasha "bitching and complaining about everything like spoiled brats", with his tweet reading: "what you call bitching, I call being passionate". If her co-workers don't have a problem with her, why should you? If anybody has a right to be upset with a wrestler's backstage behaviour, it's their co-workers. If they're not upset, then fans shouldn't be either, as far as I'm concerned. Again, I must emphasise this: NOTHING these rumours suggest has been proved at this point. It would be nice if a lot of people weren't blindly accepting them as fact. Speculate on them IF they are true, I have no problem with that. But getting all angry and insulting Sasha Banks for something she's not proved to have actually done makes no sense to me. Without proof of these claims, there is simply no need whatsoever to launch any personal attacks on the individual involved. I would give you two thumbs up if I could.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 20, 2019 11:52:13 GMT -5
People criticizing Sasha has nothing to do with her being a woman, or a woman of color. It stems from her being treated VERY well on the main roster yet still not being satisfied and seemingly feeling that she should never have to lose a match or drop a title. Sasha Banks is a multi-time Raw women's champion. Half of the first ever WWE Women's tag team champions. She was in the first ever women's royal rumble, hell in a cell, and elimination chamber matches. Wrestling is an up and down system. At times faces are on top, at other times heels are on top. To advance the story they need to alternate. Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way. I think the reason why people such as Luke Harper and the Revival requesting their releases was met with praise was because they have not been given even an iota of the opportunities and succes that Sasha Banks has. She's arguably been given more titles and success than anyone else besides Alexa Bliss and Charlotte, but acts like she's mistreated. So again, nothing having to do with gender or race and everything to do with not appreciating what she's been given by WWE. Daniel Bryan, Bobby Lashley, Brock Lesnar, Ronda Rousey, the Revival, and Buddy Murphy were all asked to lose Titles at WrestleMania; none of them are reported to have thrown fits and tried to quit. Seems like they understand that WWE is a show and Titles are just props to advance the story and it seems Sasha takes it as a personal demotion. First of all, "she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way". There has yet to be any verified proof that she did anything the rumours have suggested. The "temper tantrum" story reported by Ryan Satin has already been shown to be less than credible, given that he tweeted "I never said that they laid on the floor", after previously tweeting "Sasha Banks and Bayley were laying on the floor". Furthermore, there is still no proof that Sasha did actually try to quit at all. In fact, there's far more evidence that these rumours have no truth to them, given that Sasha shared a photo of her smiling with the IIconics after their win, she's tweeted using WWE hashtags, and WWE continue to promote her on social media and on commentary during their weekly broadcasts. All three of these things suggest that this is either a work, or a rumour started by "journalists" with nothing better to do. So I would perhaps not blindly believe these stories and hold them against her. Secondly, I agree that wrestling is an up and down system. But I cannot agree with your statement that she's been "treated VERY well". She has 4 RAW Women's title reigns, yes. However, those four title reigns number a total of 82 days combined. Hardly prestigious title reigns! She was in the first ever women's Royal Rumble match, the first women's Hell in a Cell, and the first women's Elimination Chamber match. But did she win any of them? No! Every big match she's been in, she's almost always been booked to lose. After a year of campaigning for Vince to create the Women's Tag Team Championships, the Boss 'n' Hug Connection were crowned the first champions, as they rightly should have been for their efforts in creating them. And then they're booked to lose them a mere 2 months later after their appearance on NXT strongly hinted that they would be given a long and prestigious reign, before they even had the chance to defend those titles on NXT? The whole point of a championship is to make it prestigious. That can't be achieved if the company is hot-potatoing the titles pretty much immediately. Another title reign, another quick loss. IF this decision was indeed only made known to Sasha and Bayley the day of, it's very understandable IF they were unhappy with the decision. All the effort gone into making them a reality would seem wasted if the company treats them as props to constantly throw around, rather than prestigious championships. The championships are ultimately props for a show, you are correct. But the appearance of prestige cannot be understated. Being given a championship is a sign from the company that "we appreciate what you're doing and think you deserve to be viewed as one of our best". If it's a title that's already constantly passed around on a whim, or is only given for a very brief period of time, that doesn't mean much. Your statement of "Sasha has no problem WINNING matches and titles, but when it's time to do the favor for somebody else as they have done FOR HER many many many times, she acts like a child in the toy store not getting their way" isn't exactly accurate, is it? She's previously dropped a championship 4 times on the main roster. Were there rumours of her threatening to quit after dropping the titles repeatedly to Charlotte Flair, and then to Alexa Bliss? I certainly don't remember any. If there were, were any of them proved correct? I don't see how you can act like this is apparently constant behaviour. Was she reportedly complaining or threatening to quit after losing the first women's Royal Rumble match or Elimination Chamber match? I didn't think so. If you'd listened to any interviews with Sasha, you'd know how much she appreciates WWE. She's constantly gushing about how working for WWE has always been her dream and how happy she is to be there. But IF she feels she could attain success elsewhere when she's consistently not booked anywhere close to the top of the division, can you really blame her for wanting to take a chance on herself? She's constantly referenced by co-workers as being incredibly passionate. Passionate people obviously always want their work to mean something. Mike Kanellis put it into words particularly well when asked by a fan about Sasha "bitching and complaining about everything like spoiled brats", with his tweet reading: "what you call bitching, I call being passionate". If her co-workers don't have a problem with her, why should you? If anybody has a right to be upset with a wrestler's backstage behaviour, it's their co-workers. If they're not upset, then fans shouldn't be either, as far as I'm concerned. Again, I must emphasise this: NOTHING these rumours suggest has been proved at this point. It would be nice if a lot of people weren't blindly accepting them as fact. Speculate on them IF they are true, I have no problem with that. But getting all angry and insulting Sasha Banks for something she's not proved to have actually done makes no sense to me. Without proof of these claims, there is simply no need whatsoever to launch any personal attacks on the individual involved. Yup. 100%.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 20, 2019 13:58:37 GMT -5
Jumping to racism/sexism is the biggest cop out. This oversensitivity and proclivity towards being offended is one of the biggest problems with society today. Its why I can't go on social media often. Everything is a war, and someone always plays the racism or misogyny card. Its pathetic.
I chimed into both the Harper and Sasha threads, and I can only speak for myself, but I'm harsh towards her because of her attitude. She comes across like a total bitch, and has been rude to fans. Compare her with Luke Harper, totally professional, never a bad word spoken about him from anyone, never complains, and only brought his frustrations to light in the most respectful manner possible. This is a guy, mind you, who hasn't received a quarter of the opportunities Sasha has. At the beginning of the women's revolution it can be argued that Sasha was positioned as the face...her and Charlotte. This is not her first instance of complaining either. In fact, she posted the exact same criptic twitter message a year ago when she was disgruntled over something else. And like it or not, she has been sloppy and botchy in the ring...yes she's way better than Brie, but don't act like when Brie hurt Liv that everyone didn't land on her like a sumo wrestler. The backlash allegedly also played into her final decision to retire. Brie, a considerably bigger mainstream star, never complains about her spot, treats fans well. Its not a race thing.
As for the sexism, I've criticized Punk for the same reasons. He seems like a total douchebag, someone I definitely wouldn't like if I knew him personally. These are people making 6 and 7 figure incomes, traveling the world, performing on television. Its a hard life, but they are afforded rewards greater than the average person will ever see...and theyre whining about their spot? Of course that's going to draw some ire. Sexism has nothing to do with it.
Let me also state for the record that I earlier said that there's no way Sasha and Bayley threw a temper tantrum. I believe they might've balked or questioned the decision, but I'm also positive that a minor complaint mixed with the twitter post turned into Bayley and Sasha kicking and screaming on the floor of the hotel.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Apr 20, 2019 18:38:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it's nothing to do with race. I, (and many others) criticise Banks, because she is overrated, mediocrity, who's had far more accolades and titles lavished on her, than she deserves - yet apparently, she's got the audacity to whine about how she's being treated. If she was white, I'd say the same thing, because personally I don't rate her. Besides, I don't see her as black per se - to me, she's about as black as Meghan Markle.
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Post by Henchmen4Hire on Apr 20, 2019 21:11:15 GMT -5
LMAO at these responses, they're all over the place, like it's not even the same person being talked about from one post to the next.
But getting all angry and insulting [anyone at all, nowadays] for something she's not proved to have actually done makes no sense to me. Without proof of these claims, there is simply no need whatsoever to launch any personal attacks on the individual involved. That should be somewhere in the Terms of Service when signing up for the forum, instead of the current "We know y'all haters gonna hate, just try not to use the "c" and "n" word, and we'll be okay, okay?" lol
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Post by banthafett on Apr 21, 2019 10:39:07 GMT -5
I believe the tantrum rumors are 100% true. She is a little brat. Just look at when she walks down the ramp. You know just by how she walks and the look on her face, how the outcome of the match will be. Hell look at her matches when she lost her belts. The one time it look like a little kid being forced to walk down the ramp, almost tears and a pouty face the whole time. No smile, no crowd interaction, nothing, just a pouty little brat not getting her way.
Its why most of us on here are saying the things about her. Has nothing to do about sex, what breed of horse, etc. She does this stuff over and over and will continue to do so. And it boggles my mind of why WWE lets her get away with all this crap. She's not that good, she's not a team player, she's not a draw. SO what gives to let her keep on acting like this? Its why I brought up Snoop in another post.
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Post by NamJoonKim on Apr 21, 2019 10:46:17 GMT -5
I hope that without Sasha, Bayley can mature her character. She can still be a hugger and a legitimate good person without being a little girl.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 21, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -5
I believe the tantrum rumors are 100% true. She is a little brat. Just look at when she walks down the ramp. You know just by how she walks and the look on her face, how the outcome of the match will be. Hell look at her matches when she lost her belts. The one time it look like a little kid being forced to walk down the ramp, almost tears and a pouty face the whole time. No smile, no crowd interaction, nothing, just a pouty little brat not getting her way. Its why most of us on here are saying the things about her. Has nothing to do about sex, what breed of horse, etc. She does this stuff over and over and will continue to do so. And it boggles my mind of why WWE lets her get away with all this crap. She's not that good, she's not a team player, she's not a draw. SO what gives to let her keep on acting like this? Its why I brought up Snoop in another post. It's called playing a character. Jesus some of you people I swear.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 21, 2019 13:52:38 GMT -5
Y'all gonna make me lock my own thread?
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Post by Rontaro13 on Apr 21, 2019 15:44:58 GMT -5
Y'all gonna make me lock my own thread? If so then it's come full circle. You're now locking your own threads.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Apr 21, 2019 16:13:28 GMT -5
Y'all gonna make me lock my own thread? Pretty please...
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Apr 21, 2019 17:32:17 GMT -5
Y'all gonna make me lock my own thread? I’m surprised it made it this far
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Post by marino13 on Apr 21, 2019 18:32:56 GMT -5
RIP my thread.
It was all fun and games, till someone pulled out the race card. That s*** don't fly here.
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