havoc7179
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 7, 2019 17:02:46 GMT -5
No wrestler today has a loyal fanbase. If anyone else was in Rollin's spot they would be receiving the exact same reaction. Fans get behind someone and once they reach success they suddenly become boring and their fanbase move on to the next person. Take The Road to Wrestlemania for example. Becky, Rollins and Kofi were the hottest in the company and had total fan support, flash forward to now you will find that their popularity has fallen. Even AJ Styles isn't as over as he was a year ago. I'm still loyal to Becky, Bliss, and Uncle Allen. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 7, 2019 17:09:19 GMT -5
No wrestler today has a loyal fanbase. If anyone else was in Rollin's spot they would be receiving the exact same reaction. Fans get behind someone and once they reach success they suddenly become boring and their fanbase move on to the next person. Take The Road to Wrestlemania for example. Becky, Rollins and Kofi were the hottest in the company and had total fan support, flash forward to now you will find that their popularity has fallen. Even AJ Styles isn't as over as he was a year ago. I'm still loyal to Becky, Bliss, and Uncle Allen. Same here but the boos are getting noticeable. |
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Post by Triple S on Oct 7, 2019 17:59:36 GMT -5
The only wrestlers fans want to cheer for now are the talent they think the company doesn't care about. When Bryan wasn't used, boo hiss, we want him as champ. When he won the title, boo hiss, it should be Roman. When Roman was pushed, boo hiss, it should be Seth. When Seth gets pushed, boo hiss, it should be Kofi. When Kofi gets pushed, boo hiss, move onto the next. But as soon as Kofi gets squashed, boo hiss he deserves more. Fans are so determined to crap on everything WWE, that they don't take time to appreciate anything. AEW AEW AEW 🙄😂😂😂 |
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Post by Chip on Oct 7, 2019 18:34:51 GMT -5
no, heel turns are cop outs. its something a lot of fans just throw around because they dont have any other ideas.
all you have to do with a guy like Rollins is give him an interesting story to work with. the Lesnar thing over the summer was actually good stuff...Lesnar gets the belt, Rollins gets it back. This thing with the Fiend was good too, but they just took it to another level last night....a level it didn't need to go to.
the problem is most wrestling fans just want "cool" characters. guys with an attitude, an edge, a chip on their shoulder. not the guy who acts like he is happy to be here and in every match does the superman comeback. the most "popular" characters in wrestling are the ones that entertain you on the mic and outside the ring. which they fail to do with Rollins because they give him terrible promos and no good storylines up until this Bray thing. but at this point its been 6 months and nothing really interesting has happened so all of a sudden NOW you wanna have him spamming finishers to beat a demon? it was terrible timing
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Post by Rontaro13 on Oct 7, 2019 19:09:11 GMT -5
Seth Rollins is in a bad spot right now, but turning him heel ain't the answer. Everyone can't be a heel, and no one on Raw can replace Rollins as the top face at the moment. Yes the booking of last nights main event was not good, but the heat Seth Rollins got during the match was undeserved.
Fans honestly can't stay loyal nowadays. The moment a wrestler does something uninteresting or boring, fans turn on anything involving that wrestler and want them shoved down the card immediately. It's hard to build stars when fans can't stick with someone for longer than 3 months.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 7, 2019 20:06:11 GMT -5
I don't know why people are acting like this is a recent phenomenon. The Rock was born out of "die Rocky die," and Vince put one of his biggest pushes ever to that point behind Luger to pull the plug with almost nothing to show for it. And in both instances what came from it was far, far better. By the end of his early 90's run Hogan was getting significant boos.
Overexposure is a very real thing. RAW is a 3 hour show, and with the wild card rule you had top talent spread across 2 shows and 5 hours, appearing in at least half a dozen segments across the two shows. Add in the "recap" segments that air constantly and you have the top workers appearing on screen probably 10+ times per show. Every. Single. Week.
You'll never please everyone. But it's on the company to write compelling storylines, book engaging matches, and adapt to crowd reactions to put out something that leaves fans wanting more. I think Seth's problems are deeper than a quick turn can fix. But just jamming more of the same down everyone's throat will only make the problem worse.
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Post by Tim of thee on Oct 7, 2019 20:56:07 GMT -5
Seth's character is fine. It's the fans who have the issues. This is the complaining era. All fans do is complain. They aren't patient enough to wait for the bigger out come, yet get annoyed when the WWE pushes something fast. Irony at its best! Seth is a boring ass face. Even Vanilla has more flavor. |
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Post by crashholly2002 on Oct 7, 2019 23:26:32 GMT -5
Seth's character is fine. It's the fans who have the issues. This is the complaining era. All fans do is complain. They aren't patient enough to wait for the bigger out come, yet get annoyed when the WWE pushes something fast. Irony at its best! Seth is a boring ass face. Even Vanilla has more flavor. and even when he's showing some personality, it shows that he is a massive dick |
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Oct 7, 2019 23:30:38 GMT -5
I have to ask if and all at this point, would a heel turn even save Rollins' character going forward? I mean here you have the fans already turning on Seth Rollins in almost every match that he is in but also the fact that the WWE goes out of their way to protect Rollins at every turn, it makes me wonder if by turning heel Seth can actually be salvaged? No. WWE has pretty much killed him as a legit main eventer and champion at this point. The fact he wouldn't appear on Raw tonight is proof of that. |
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Oct 7, 2019 23:33:10 GMT -5
it's...the booking, guys. that's why ALL characters fall flat. It's not just the booking. It's Seth Rollins. |
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Post by PVA on Oct 8, 2019 8:54:41 GMT -5
it's...the booking, guys. that's why ALL characters fall flat. It's not just the booking. It's Seth Rollins. Yeah did people forget Seth has posted some controversial comments on social media?! He’s also not great on the mic. If Dean Ambrose was around I wonder if he’d be the last resort attempt in the pattern of former shield member to be overexposed and pushed on to people. |
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Post by Newsted on Oct 8, 2019 9:07:25 GMT -5
Seth Rollins has a character that isn't just "Literally word for word the same promo as last week but other names this time."  ? |
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Post by Bandalero on Oct 8, 2019 13:33:47 GMT -5
Seth has the same problem many other workhorses have, he's a workhorse - that's it. No charisma.
Modern day wrestling isn't about only getting it done in the ring, it's not about the flippy flippy spotfest that Seth loves to do. He has one speed and that is "fast" when it comes to his work ethic. He uses very little ring psychology in his matches...oh yes, and how he's booked doesn't help matters either.
Seth's a good hand, but that's it. There is no depth to his character. IWC love him because he wears a golden boot to be Thanos.
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Post by Triple S on Oct 8, 2019 14:00:35 GMT -5
I have to ask if and all at this point, would a heel turn even save Rollins' character going forward? I mean here you have the fans already turning on Seth Rollins in almost every match that he is in but also the fact that the WWE goes out of their way to protect Rollins at every turn, it makes me wonder if by turning heel Seth can actually be salvaged? No. WWE has pretty much killed him as a legit main eventer and champion at this point. The fact he wouldn't appear on Raw tonight is proof of that. Still real to you, damnit? |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 8, 2019 15:34:50 GMT -5
I wonder how long it will be until Kevin Owens gets booed out of buildings and is called boring?
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Post by CM Poor on Oct 8, 2019 15:59:01 GMT -5
I wonder how long it will be until Kevin Owens gets booed out of buildings and is called boring? Put the belt on him and give him a run with it. Ought to do the trick. |
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Oct 8, 2019 18:05:28 GMT -5
No. WWE has pretty much killed him as a legit main eventer and champion at this point. The fact he wouldn't appear on Raw tonight is proof of that. Still real to you, damnit? Just stating facts. |
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Post by Triple S on Oct 8, 2019 18:07:24 GMT -5
Still real to you, damnit? Just stating facts. Ever think Rollins not appearing was a way to sell the attack? Nonsense. That’d just be logical. |
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wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Oct 8, 2019 19:38:08 GMT -5
Ever think Rollins not appearing was a way to sell the attack? Nonsense. That’d just be logical. Maybe it would be, but you pulled this out of nowhere. WWE made no mention of this online or during the show. So, fake news. |
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Post by Triple S on Oct 8, 2019 19:39:03 GMT -5
No mention of what? The attack?
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I dont know good luck