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Post by stc13 on Oct 13, 2019 16:47:57 GMT -5
Wasnt the lawsuit dismissed? if it was and none of them have refiled a new lawsuit then mattel needs to put those names on a list and turn it in. As of right now the only 2 names I know Ill never see is Chris Benoit & Scott Steiner. I believe it was dismissed in March of this year but I also heard that the wrestlers filed an appeal so that may be why the wrestlers in the lawsuit are still off the table. As for figures we will never see, I would say the only ones that are clearly off the table and will never happen is Benoit and Billy Jack Haynes (for multiple reasons). With Chyna getting a figure, I think anyone other than those two is possible. With Steiner, he seems to be the holdout, not WWE or Mattel. Same with Owen, Martha isn't interested in WWE making a profit off of Owen so he hasn't had a figure. If those two ever change their minds their figures would be made. Though it appears they are not going to change their minds anytime soon. They filed what will be the final possible appeal in July. The appeal has already been rejected by lower courts, so odds are the result will be the same this time. But as of this moment it still technically has life. Barbarian was pulled because it wasn't that far along in production. Koko was in an earlier lawsuit that was separate from the class action suit, which was why he was pulled. I believe the figure was farther along in production, but something in the suit probably made WWE request to have the figure killed immediately. I'm interested to see if the terms of Legends deals start changing. Right now the deals aren't great unless you're a) an estate or b) a top star with a ton of merch. Not sure what/how much value some of those guys would have an the NWA or AEW, but much like with active talent I wouldn't be shocked to see WWE getting a large number of guys under deals just keep competing promotions from using them for marketing purposes.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Oct 13, 2019 16:50:52 GMT -5
Just something I find odd, is Nelson Frazier’s personal estate is listed as being in the original lawsuit and the appeal, but yet their making his figures and releasing them. Which I’m not complaining because I’ve wanted a Mable since day 1. But not sure how 1 can be made, but not others. The estate had a separate wrongful death lawsuit against the WWE. It was tossed in 2016, and in that case CTE could not be proven by the estate because the family had him cremated and no autopsy was performed. So I think once that happened the estate realized they had little options left and signed a deal with WWE.
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 17:11:10 GMT -5
Just something I find odd, is Nelson Frazier’s personal estate is listed as being in the original lawsuit and the appeal, but yet their making his figures and releasing them. Which I’m not complaining because I’ve wanted a Mable since day 1. But not sure how 1 can be made, but not others. The estate had a separate wrongful death lawsuit against the WWE. It was tossed in 2016, and in that case CTE could not be proven by the estate because the family had him cremated and no autopsy was performed. So I think once that happened the estate realized they had little options left and signed a deal with WWE. Yeah, but the one that was filed in March of 2019 also has him listed
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 13, 2019 17:23:16 GMT -5
With it being dismissed I’m sure Vince will pick and choose who he hold a grudge against. Animal is probably the one most likely to have the hatchet buried based on his brother having a high level position with the company and Road Warriors being the most marketable on the list. Snuka will probably never happen due to him being charged with murder prior to his death and only got off due to his not being able to stand trial.
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Post by legendsguy on Oct 13, 2019 17:26:00 GMT -5
hopefully MDT will just resubmit the list of the ones who are on it and we can see them sometime. Id like to see One Man Gang get released and even Akeem re-done. Barbarian and Koko need to be also. But on the WWE side, I heard these legends deals aren't worth very much...some of these guys would rather stay on the outside of WWE and turn down the money. (which amazes me really)
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 17:34:39 GMT -5
With it being dismissed I’m sure Vince will pick and choose who he hold a grudge against. Animal is probably the one most likely to have the hatchet buried based on his brother having a high level position with the company and Road Warriors being the most marketable on the list. Snuka will probably never happen due to him being charged with murder prior to his death and only got off due to his not being able to stand trial. I mean Vince knew about it when It happened to begin with and pretty much of his popularity is why he was let off the book then. Snuka was made before while having that murder charge over his head, so idk why it would matter now.
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Post by TheLastDude on Oct 13, 2019 17:43:56 GMT -5
Road Warrior Animal Jimmy Snuka Paul Orndorff Chavo Guerrero, Jr. Chavo Classic Adam Bomb Ahmed Johnson Kamala Dave Hebner Earl Hebner King Kong Bundy Ken Patera Sabu Smash Ax Bezerker Johnny The Bull Jumpin’ Jim Brunzell Sue Green King Kong Mosca Jim Powers Mike Enos Butch Reed Jazz Sylvan Grenier Omar Atlas Don Leo Jonathan Shane Douglas Muhammad Hassan Henry Godwin Princess Victoria Judy Martin Mark Jindrak Balls Mahoney Axl Rotten Marty Jannetty Heidenreich The Warlord The Barbarian The Crippler Bobbi Billard Ashley Massaro Saturn Sylvano Sousa Johnny Jeter Flash Funk Chad Wicks Rex King Freddie Joe Floyd Mantaur Black Bart Slick One Man Gang JJ Funk Lou Marconi Rod Price Donald Driggers Rodney Mack Outlaw Ron Bass Boris Zhukov
Like every time this comes up, the names on that list that would actually get made is really small. Most of the best names on it already have been made.
Would I like to see LOD 2000 or more Rockers figures made? Sure. Would I selfishly like to see figures of the Beverly Brothers, Killer Bees, Henry Godwinn, Repo Man, and Adam Bomb? Absolutely.
Will any of them ever get made? I mean...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 17:59:30 GMT -5
hopefully MDT will just resubmit the list of the ones who are on it and we can see them sometime. Id like to see One Man Gang get released and even Akeem re-done. Barbarian and Koko need to be also. But on the WWE side, I heard these legends deals aren't worth very much...some of these guys would rather stay on the outside of WWE and turn down the money. (which amazes me really) Bryan clarke i beleive got paid 10 k for his legends deal and part of the deal was that he was strictly exclusive to wwe and would be available anytime they needed him Its not a bad deal for guys who arent involved in the wrestling business anymore but some of the guys still working would make more money on other circuits
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Post by lu21780 on Oct 13, 2019 18:16:35 GMT -5
I'm actually really surprised any form of Jeff Jarrett hasn't even been teased. Hes employed by WWE, has a decent fan base, and with his electric cowboy gimmick and his short haired look practically has an endless array of repaints that could be made. They would only have to make 2 different heads.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Oct 13, 2019 18:21:29 GMT -5
With it being dismissed I’m sure Vince will pick and choose who he hold a grudge against. Animal is probably the one most likely to have the hatchet buried based on his brother having a high level position with the company and Road Warriors being the most marketable on the list. Snuka will probably never happen due to him being charged with murder prior to his death and only got off due to his not being able to stand trial. I mean Vince knew about it when It happened to begin with and pretty much of his popularity is why he was let off the book then. Snuka was made before while having that murder charge over his head, so idk why it would matter now. Because they were able to sweep it under the rug without many really knowing about. It’s common knowledge now so there will be some major backlash. They couldn’t name a battle royal after Moolah without the PC police throwing a fit. No way are they gonna release any Snuka merch.
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 18:30:57 GMT -5
I mean Vince knew about it when It happened to begin with and pretty much of his popularity is why he was let off the book then. Snuka was made before while having that murder charge over his head, so idk why it would matter now. Because they were able to sweep it under the rug without many really knowing about. It’s common knowledge now so there will be some major backlash. They couldn’t name a battle royal after Moolah without the PC police throwing a fit. No way are they gonna release any Snuka merch. Not saying they will, but you’re telling me they’ll release a figure of Chyna who did porn, but won’t release ANOTHER figure of a guy who’s had murder held over his head since the 80s? Come on lol
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 18:33:23 GMT -5
I mean Vince knew about it when It happened to begin with and pretty much of his popularity is why he was let off the book then. Snuka was made before while having that murder charge over his head, so idk why it would matter now. Because they were able to sweep it under the rug without many really knowing about. It’s common knowledge now so there will be some major backlash. They couldn’t name a battle royal after Moolah without the PC police throwing a fit. No way are they gonna release any Snuka merch. And that was because somebody brought up the stuff about Moolah and sponsors didn’t want the backlash. What would people say about Snuka? He was accused of murder? Mattel don’t hVe any sponsors to deal with , so it wouldn’t be the same effect as it was with Moolah and a ppv.
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 19:02:13 GMT -5
I mean Vince knew about it when It happened to begin with and pretty much of his popularity is why he was let off the book then. Snuka was made before while having that murder charge over his head, so idk why it would matter now. Because they were able to sweep it under the rug without many really knowing about. It’s common knowledge now so there will be some major backlash. They couldn’t name a battle royal after Moolah without the PC police throwing a fit. No way are they gonna release any Snuka merch. Like we could sit here all day and bring up things from the past of wrestlers who have merch. Buy a figure/shirt of a women that did porn? Buy a figure or shirt of a guy who was accused of murder? Booker T robbed a fast food restraunt and went to prison, Dean Ambrose was a drug dealer, Scott Hall murdered a man, don’t hear anybody talkin about that. I mean everybody has a past.
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Post by MKSavage on Oct 13, 2019 21:08:11 GMT -5
hopefully MDT will just resubmit the list of the ones who are on it and we can see them sometime. Id like to see One Man Gang get released and even Akeem re-done. Barbarian and Koko need to be also. But on the WWE side, I heard these legends deals aren't worth very much...some of these guys would rather stay on the outside of WWE and turn down the money. (which amazes me really) Bryan clarke i beleive got paid 10 k for his legends deal and part of the deal was that he was strictly exclusive to wwe and would be available anytime they needed him Its not a bad deal for guys who arent involved in the wrestling business anymore but some of the guys still working would make more money on other circuits I think this is what Scott Steiner was kind of talking about, the money isn't great or bad but you are exclusive to them so it doesn't allow you to work elsewhere - when you're not making appearances for the WWE - to make more money. I think more wrestlers would sign the deal if it did one of two things; paid more for making them exclusive to the WWE, or paid the same but allowed them to make appearances elsewhere when not making appearances for the WWE.
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Post by TheLastDude on Oct 13, 2019 21:11:55 GMT -5
Because they were able to sweep it under the rug without many really knowing about. It’s common knowledge now so there will be some major backlash. They couldn’t name a battle royal after Moolah without the PC police throwing a fit. No way are they gonna release any Snuka merch. Like we could sit here all day and bring up things from the past of wrestlers who have merch. Buy a figure/shirt of a women that did porn? Buy a figure or shirt of a guy who was accused of murder? Booker T robbed a fast food restraunt and went to prison, Dean Ambrose was a drug dealer, Scott Hall murdered a man, don’t hear anybody talkin about that. I mean everybody has a past. First off, appearing in a pornographic movie is not on the same level as any of these other things, you know...considering it's not illegal. Secondly, all those things except for Snuka happened well before they were stars in the WWE. Also, the charges against Hall were dropped, Book did his time, and let's not go around acting like Ambrose was Scarface here.
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 21:38:13 GMT -5
Like we could sit here all day and bring up things from the past of wrestlers who have merch. Buy a figure/shirt of a women that did porn? Buy a figure or shirt of a guy who was accused of murder? Booker T robbed a fast food restraunt and went to prison, Dean Ambrose was a drug dealer, Scott Hall murdered a man, don’t hear anybody talkin about that. I mean everybody has a past. First off, appearing in a pornographic movie is not on the same level as any of these other things, you know...considering it's not illegal. Secondly, all those things except for Snuka happened well before they were stars in the WWE. Also, the charges against Hall were dropped, Book did his time, and let's not go around acting like Ambrose was Scarface here. WWE outted Chyna for a reason, and it’s been said plenty of times why. Bill has even mentioned before he doesn’t ever see Chyna being a figufe because the career path she took in porn and Mattel is a company that looks at things like that. If she had never died, you would have never seen a Chyna figure. Idc what figures they make or don’t make, all I’m saying is don’t think a Snuka figufe is off the table only because there were a chance he may have killed somebody. I mean OJ Simpson was acquitted too, don’t see anything of him hitting the shelves.
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 13, 2019 21:58:00 GMT -5
Adam Bomb Ahmed Johnson Ken Patera Sabu Jumpin’ Jim Brunzell Butch Reed Shane Douglas Muhammad Hassan The Barbarian Saturn Flash Funk Slick One Man Gang Like every time this comes up, the names on that list that would actually get made is really small. Most of the best names on it already have been made. Would I like to see LOD 2000 or more Rockers figures made? Sure. Would I selfishly like to see figures of the Beverly Brothers, Killer Bees, Henry Godwinn, Repo Man, and Adam Bomb? Absolutely. Will any of them ever get made? I mean... Removing the ones that already had a release & the names unlikely, those are the only ones Id see Mattel actually making. Even some of them are a stretch.
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Post by alabamaslammer64 on Oct 13, 2019 22:37:32 GMT -5
Adam Bomb Ahmed Johnson Ken Patera Sabu Jumpin’ Jim Brunzell Butch Reed Shane Douglas Muhammad Hassan The Barbarian Saturn Flash Funk Slick One Man Gang Like every time this comes up, the names on that list that would actually get made is really small. Most of the best names on it already have been made. Would I like to see LOD 2000 or more Rockers figures made? Sure. Would I selfishly like to see figures of the Beverly Brothers, Killer Bees, Henry Godwinn, Repo Man, and Adam Bomb? Absolutely. Will any of them ever get made? I mean... Removing the ones that already had a release & the names unlikely, those are the only ones Id see Mattel actually making. Even some of them are a stretch. Honestly think if I had to choose 1 person off that list who will get made next it would be repo-man.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 13, 2019 22:47:06 GMT -5
Bryan clarke i beleive got paid 10 k for his legends deal and part of the deal was that he was strictly exclusive to wwe and would be available anytime they needed him Its not a bad deal for guys who arent involved in the wrestling business anymore but some of the guys still working would make more money on other circuits I think this is what Scott Steiner was kind of talking about, the money isn't great or bad but you are exclusive to them so it doesn't allow you to work elsewhere - when you're not making appearances for the WWE - to make more money. I think more wrestlers would sign the deal if it did one of two things; paid more for making them exclusive to the WWE, or paid the same but allowed them to make appearances elsewhere when not making appearances for the WWE. Yes and no. Legends deals give WWE exclusive global marketing rights. They could still appear for other promotions signing autos or working a match, but would be blocked from selling their own merch, such as through PWT. Guys like Steiner or the RnR Express that are still doing active dates probably make a good chunk of their income from those merch at those shows (and your guess is as good as mine how accurate their tax reporting is on those sales) and online. They're selling far less merch than WWE, but also keeping a much, much higher cut. Legends deals pay a 10k advance for a 6 year contract, and all merch sales (toys, video games, trading cards, etc) are paid at a set percentage against that advance. And I believe they get a flat rate ($500?) per appearance at WWE events such as Axcess. Guys with a ton of merch probably make decent money doing little to no work. But my guess is most guys don't see much beyond that initial advance. Top guys have deals that are probably different, but the 6yr/10k advance seems standard for everyone else. For an estate or someone totally done with the business it's an easy payday. But for most guys who are still semi-active it would probably actually end up costing them income.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Oct 13, 2019 23:42:39 GMT -5
Yeah, but the one that was filed in March of 2019 also has him listed I'm not sure why his name was still listed. Cassandra has stated in interviews that she settled with WWE in early 2018. In her words she "got paid". WWE outted Chyna for a reason, and it’s been said plenty of times why. Bill has even mentioned before he doesn’t ever see Chyna being a figufe because the career path she took in porn and Mattel is a company that looks at things like that. If she had never died, you would have never seen a Chyna figure. Idc what figures they make or don’t make, all I’m saying is don’t think a Snuka figufe is off the table only because there were a chance he may have killed somebody. I mean OJ Simpson was acquitted too, don’t see anything of him hitting the shelves. You don't see anything of his because anything he could profit off of would be met with a lawsuit by the Goldman family due to him not paying from the civil suit.
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