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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 22:17:25 GMT -5
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Aug 24, 2020 22:26:20 GMT -5
the concept/idea of an unidentified group causing chaos can work. its just what they have done so far has been pretty ing LAME and the camera work all of a sudden changes to the ing seizure-cam ONLY when they are on....like we haven't been watching the show the last 3 hours all of a sudden these people show up and the camera can't focus on anything? they are making it look cheap and stupid. throwing cinder blocks through a door? being outside on a car flipped over? the is all that? its dumb. ruining matches is fine, getting people fired up is fine. letting the mystery of who's in the group play out is fine too. but its just being done poorly on every level so that when the big reveal actually happens everyone is gonna already be over it because they aren't doing anything cool with it. its just not good television You can leave subtle breadcrumbs here and there. Have symbols painted on the premises. Sabotage. Mysterious attacks. People lurking in the shadows. But all this has been about beating your head with a brick continuously. We keep wanting to see some development, some meaning, some purpose. But that isn't the point. The point is Vince greenlit this crap for the visuals themselves, to get some buzz going because someone there thought that this would grab people's attention. If there was some longterm plan to build a guy or two, it sure isn't apparent from what we've seen thus far.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 24, 2020 22:34:47 GMT -5
The only highlight of Mondays is when Shayna and R-Truth argue about fish on Raw Talk.
Everything else usually stinks.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 24, 2020 23:00:48 GMT -5
Can't wait for the big blowoff match between the Klan and THE GROUP THAT CALLS THEMSELVES RETRIBUTION
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Aug 24, 2020 23:18:34 GMT -5
Can't wait for the big blowoff match between the Klan and THE GROUP THAT CALLS THEMSELVES RETRIBUTION Torches and Pitchforks Match Book it!
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 25, 2020 0:10:51 GMT -5
this is his punishment for that stinker of a main event on Takeover the other nite I think that’s more Kross’s fault than his. Karrion Kross is nothing special beyond an entrance. Sorry, but that was all on Lee... lazy lump phoned it in, because he knew he was dropping the belt and moving up. Also, if you don't want to end up in a compression shirt, get yourself into better shape - they didn't put Joe in a compression shirt, because he actually got himself into better shape.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 25, 2020 0:45:27 GMT -5
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but when did Orton get that rose tattoo on the inside of his left forearm? The RED really stands out. Whenever his daughter was born.
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 25, 2020 2:06:38 GMT -5
I think that’s more Kross’s fault than his. Karrion Kross is nothing special beyond an entrance. Sorry, but that was all on Lee... lazy lump phoned it in, because he knew he was dropping the belt and moving up. Also, if you don't want to end up in a compression shirt, get yourself into better shape - they didn't put Joe in a compression shirt, because he actually got himself into better shape. Keith Lee’s size never stopped or hindered his performances. As I said before, how come Keith’s only bad match in NXT was against Kross? I think because Kross isn’t as good as people think. Keith Lee is probably in better shape than you and I, his size isn’t an issue and if he’s in a compression shirt then Otis damn well should be in one. Who gives a what he looks like, the guy is a tremendous wrestler.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 25, 2020 5:43:34 GMT -5
If Retribution start having matches, I am going to skip every one. This angle needs to be dropped and should just go away.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Aug 25, 2020 7:26:45 GMT -5
I think that’s more Kross’s fault than his. Karrion Kross is nothing special beyond an entrance. Sorry, but that was all on Lee... lazy lump phoned it in, because he knew he was dropping the belt and moving up. Also, if you don't want to end up in a compression shirt, get yourself into better shape - they didn't put Joe in a compression shirt, because he actually got himself into better shape.better shape compared to what? pretty sure he got bigger in wwe/nxt than he was in tna
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Post by bWo on Aug 25, 2020 9:34:06 GMT -5
Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but when did Orton get that rose tattoo on the inside of his left forearm? The RED really stands out. Whenever his daughter was born. Hahahaha. What the f*ck? I just looked her up and she was born in 2008. Apparently I haven't been paying attention to Randy's ink for over a decade.
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Post by hebrewhammer820 on Aug 25, 2020 10:33:49 GMT -5
this is his punishment for that stinker of a main event on Takeover the other nite I think that’s more Kross’s fault than his. Karrion Kross is nothing special beyond an entrance. I 100% agree with this. I have yet to be impressed by anything Kross has done, and even his entrance to me is too over the top and hokey. Lee has consistently been one of the best big men wrestling currently. One poor match says more about his opponent than it does him
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 25, 2020 10:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by kinnikuman on Aug 25, 2020 10:53:02 GMT -5
I think that’s more Kross’s fault than his. Karrion Kross is nothing special beyond an entrance. Sorry, but that was all on Lee... lazy lump phoned it in, because he knew he was dropping the belt and moving up. Also, if you don't want to end up in a compression shirt, get yourself into better shape - they didn't put Joe in a compression shirt, because he actually got himself into better shape. Otis, Ivar, Tucker, etc etc etc etc etc want to know what you're talking about. MVP needs to get in shape. Lee is a lump who can move. That's who he is.
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Post by Road Warrior Shark on Aug 25, 2020 12:55:35 GMT -5
As I said before, how come Keith’s only bad match in NXT was against Kross? I think because Kross isn’t as good as people think. Partially this. I said to a friend that Lee and Kross just seemed to be totally out of sync. I don't think that Lee sandbagged Kross at all, I think that those two just had zero chemistry, got off-track early, and couldn't bring it back. And whomever booked that finish did them no favors either.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 25, 2020 13:10:42 GMT -5
As I said before, how come Keith’s only bad match in NXT was against Kross? I think because Kross isn’t as good as people think. Partially this. I said to a friend that Lee and Kross just seemed to be totally out of sync. I don't think that Lee sandbagged Kross at all, I think that those two just had zero chemistry, got off-track early, and couldn't bring it back. And whomever booked that finish did them no favors either. Having seen Kross in person multiple times, the shorter his matches are the better. At this point, he can't live up to the TakeOver main event standard. Unless it's hella gimmicky, he shouldn't go longer than 10-15 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 14:25:28 GMT -5
he shouldn't go longer than 10-15 minutes. Try telling that to Scarlet... In other news, the Retribution angle still goes absolutely nowhere. I enjoy a slow burn, but you gotta give a little here and there. 3 weeks of masked figures beating up talent and vandalizing isn’t story progression.
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Post by bWo on Aug 25, 2020 14:57:13 GMT -5
Nothing great tonight, but it was okay. Disagree. The arm wrestling match? Lana/Natalya/James? The 24/7 match? Etc. I'd rather have a 2 hour Raw that doesn't include that crap. I liked the stuff with Drew/Randy. My big complaint about their SS match was it didn’t feel person. Now it does. I would prefer Drew to be more strictly badass than comedy/badass. I'm kind of hoping those "punts" by Randy "wake him up" and make him see that he's become a gentile giant. Make Orton regret the can of worms he's just opened. The two of them could run that into a hot feud. I’m cool with Nia/Shayna teaming, but it could have been fleshed out better. Nia asked Baszler to help her beat Sasha and Bayley and Shayna said she'd agree do it "if you leave me alone." Huh? First off if they win they will always be together because they're tag champs. Did Baszler take too many punches to the head and not realize that? Or does that count as Nia "leaving her alone" because they'll have to work together? If that's the case than why wouldn't cage fighter, afraid of nobody Shayna Baszler just kick Nia Jax's ass and MAKE HER leave her alone? That's more the Shayna Baszler I've been led to believe she is. They didn't even try to flesh this out.Like most, I’m not liking anything they did with Lee. Hopefully the backlash will cause a change. I do think his abilities will overcome regardless. People still liked Samoa Joe after Vince redecorated him for absolutely no reason at all other than to appease his own egotistical beliefs/tendencies. I think the same will ultimately happen with Lee.Sasha/Asuka have good chemistry. But I’m ready to move on. They've gotta do Sasha - Bayley at some point. I think they'll lose the titles to Baszler/Jax and then wrestle for Bayley's Woman's title. I don't know where Asuka goes from there? She's so much better with Kairi Sane. The crowd noise needs to be sorted out. Put PC talent on the same side as the hard cam if you have to. When they initially had the PC talent in there I didn't like it. Based on no fans, what we have now at the Thunderdome, or PC talent banging on the plexiglass, I'd much rather go with the latter. I’m intrigued by Black attacking KO. I was more intrigued that Aleister Black chose to beat up a guy showing him a video of what happened to his eye rather than beating up the guy who actually caused his eye problem in the first place. Misdirected anger or something. Underground didn’t bother me tonight. Lashley looked good. Except I think he killed a dude. Looked good how? He was throwing some of the ugliest kicks ever seen on Raw?Dominik looked good again tonight. He needs to get rid of that hood though. But I feel confident in saying he’s got huge potential. Dominick has been better than I've expected, but if Rey Mysterio wasn't in the WWE neither would Dom. I don't think he has any chance in this company. He looks really unsure of himself a lot of the time. I agree though that he's definitely gotta get rid of that stupid hood.I like a slow build but I think Retribution needs to take that next step. Let us find out a member. Show us they are following orders. Something just to progress it a lil. I wonder if they even have a next step. I almost see this like Eric Rowan's cage. They put it out there without much thought thinking they'd eventually fill in the gaps. Except they didn't and it got dumber and dumber to the point that they revealed something just to make it go away.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 25, 2020 15:31:57 GMT -5
They were better off with fake fans.
WwE was too worried about what shirt people were wearing instead of worrying about their actual fans.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Aug 25, 2020 18:00:34 GMT -5
So the Keith Lee theme music thing has to do with CFO not being with the company anymore. It’s similar to why Garza had to change his theme when he got called up. The theme last night isn’t necessarily his final theme but it’s something with them getting called up.
Doesn’t excuse the skirt or compression shirt.
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