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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Jan 7, 2022 14:08:43 GMT -5
Next Man’s Yeeter ]A well known aspect that VJM had a decently cordial working relationship with his competitors/fellow territory owners, and respected the wrestling business in general. It goes that the other owners were nervous about the son's ambitions. This was something that the father allegedly tried to tamp down, but to no avail as once the son bought the company from the father (with or without the funds from said company the father still owned), he then plundered the territories, snatched up TV time, and made conditions less than favorable for other companies to thrive, all to further his own wealth. All legalish and within VKM's right, but still seen by a sizeable crowd as a ruthlessly underhanded, even scummy, tactic. Not that any of this would matter to you. Doing it for the sake of well-balanced individuals reading along.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 7, 2022 14:16:05 GMT -5
Betray and disgrace their father’s legacy 😂 which conspiracy is this again? it’s well known and documented that Vince sr did not want jr to do a national expansion. as Vince said about it to sports illustrated in 1991: “Had my father known what I was going to do, he never would have sold his stock to me.” he disgraced his family and father’s legacy, it’s a documented fact. so eat it pal Nonsense! Marks are the ONLY ones who know wrestling is meant to be Disney and MTV level entertaining, with outrageous characters, inane attires, soap opera storylines, more talking than wrestling, with writers who don't watch wrestling ... hell ... with writers, a star studded afair, watched by millions and millions, with future Hollywood actors, steroid-infused bulks, and appropriated EVERYTHING. Forget your NWA, AWA, WCCW, anything from Mexico or Japan, ECW, ROH, TNA, AEW BS ... WWE is how it's supposed to be done! Vince is GOD.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 7, 2022 14:53:12 GMT -5
Betray and disgrace their father’s legacy 😂 which conspiracy is this again? it’s well known and documented that Vince sr did not want jr to do a national expansion. as Vince said about it to sports illustrated in 1991: “Had my father known what I was going to do, he never would have sold his stock to me.” he disgraced his family and father’s legacy, it’s a documented fact. so eat it pal He went global. Vince Sr lacked vision, but now has a legacy far, far greater than that of a Verne Gagne or Whoever Graham that never made it out of their region or out of the seventies and eighties. This forum and webstore weren’t created to sell Mid-South merchandise. Jacksonville Dixie isn’t asking his dad to buy him Sam Muchnick’s cast-offs. People aren’t pretending they don’t watch MLW while somehow constantly offering their opinion on every MLW wrestler, match and interview. Hypocrites aren’t contributing to Jim Crocket’s billions of dollars while pretending to care about how evil he and his company are for internet points. And that’s the thing. If someone really cared about Vince putting the old timers out of business almost half a century ago, they’d have stopped buying WWE toys, games, driving up the YouTube views, social media engagement etc the second they finished watching their first Jim Cornette shoot interview. And those people who quit the fandom for moral reasons definitely exist, but they’re not spending their time complaining about Omos’ moveset or Bron Breakker using the wrong fake name.
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Post by k5 on Jan 7, 2022 14:56:43 GMT -5
who in the hell are you to say Vince sr lacked vision? instead of denying the fact that Vince jr betrayed his father’s dying wishes, you’re now trying to justify it? sit down. lmao
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 7, 2022 16:08:08 GMT -5
He has a Goldberg avatar. He's already lost the debate.
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Post by rkmo: Cheats & Geeks on Jan 7, 2022 17:07:15 GMT -5
He has a Goldberg avatar. He's already lost the debate. Suggesting it was an attempt at an open, honest debate is an insult to the definition of the word.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jan 7, 2022 17:27:44 GMT -5
it’s well known and documented that Vince sr did not want jr to do a national expansion. as Vince said about it to sports illustrated in 1991: “Had my father known what I was going to do, he never would have sold his stock to me.” he disgraced his family and father’s legacy, it’s a documented fact. so eat it pal Nonsense! Marks are the ONLY ones who know wrestling is meant to be Disney and MTV level entertaining, with outrageous characters, inane attires, soap opera storylines, more talking than wrestling, with writers who don't watch wrestling ... hell ... with writers, a star studded afair, watched by millions and millions, with future Hollywood actors, steroid-infused bulks, and appropriated EVERYTHING. Forget your NWA, AWA, WCCW, anything from Mexico or Japan, ECW, ROH, TNA, AEW BS ... WWE is how it's supposed to be done! Vince is GOD. …’bout that
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Post by CM Tusk on Jan 7, 2022 18:08:35 GMT -5
Going based on what I see, yes Vince went against his dads wishes. At the same time the territory days of wrestling were bound to die out. Expansion needed to happen. There’s a good chance too that had it not, a lot of people that are fans today wouldn’t be. Vince may be a terrible person, but he’s also at least somewhat responsible for your fandom. This clearly very toxic fandom.
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Post by k5 on Jan 7, 2022 18:25:39 GMT -5
Going based on what I see, yes Vince went against his dads wishes. At the same time the territory days of wrestling were bound to die out. Expansion needed to happen. There’s a good chance too that had it not, a lot of people that are fans today wouldn’t be. Vince may be a terrible person, but he’s also at least somewhat responsible for your fandom. This clearly very toxic fandom. you’re conflating. Vince has several admirable traits, and is in many ways the best wrestling promoter of all time. but Next Man, with his usual sad attempts, was trying to insult TK for his reliance on his father’s cash. this was clearly a goofy dig, considering Vince inheriting his father’s company through business agreements and not even being faithful to the promise he made. Vince’s wwe has had lots of great moments, done some amazing things in wrestling and turned a ton of people onto wrestling. rather it’s been good for wrestling as a whole is another debate, but nonetheless.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 7, 2022 18:56:12 GMT -5
Somebody would have been smart enough to expand to other markets if Vince hadn't of done it.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jan 7, 2022 20:27:14 GMT -5
Going based on what I see, yes Vince went against his dads wishes. At the same time the territory days of wrestling were bound to die out. Expansion needed to happen. There’s a good chance too that had it not, a lot of people that are fans today wouldn’t be. Vince may be a terrible person, but he’s also at least somewhat responsible for your fandom. This clearly very toxic fandom. Vince is the best ... and worst thing to ever happen to pro wrestling.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 7, 2022 20:38:48 GMT -5
Somebody would have been smart enough to expand to other markets if Vince hadn't of done it. No. Expanding a business is disgraceful, and only an evil monster like VINCENT FREAKIN MCMAHON Jr would do it. He is the devil, and it is our duty as Real Wrestling Fans to constantly REEEEEE about him while continuing to fund his evil empire. In all seriousness though, very classy exit tweets from Regal. I really hope he accepts a podcast deal. He’s always been fantastic to listen to in interviews, and his book was great. There must be so many untold stories he’s got about all of his years wrestling.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 8, 2022 6:12:48 GMT -5
Worst gimmick ever.
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 8, 2022 6:17:31 GMT -5
Vince expanding his business isn't why he's a garbage human being.
His decision to put Owen Hart up in the rafters of kemper arena is why he's a garbage human being.
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Post by Scott! on Jan 8, 2022 8:22:49 GMT -5
William Regal is a shock, but I guess I was holding out hope he’d get a Hall of Fame induction so that’s why I’m so surprised. Sad day though!
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Post by Its Tiffy Time on Jan 8, 2022 9:42:52 GMT -5
what the hell did HHH Do that warranted his version of NXT Being completely destroyed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 10:00:35 GMT -5
The fact that people believe these cuts are a “punishment to Triple H” in any way… is hilarious.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 8, 2022 11:16:19 GMT -5
what the hell did HHH Do that warranted his version of NXT Being completely destroyed? Old NXT was obsolete when AEW launched. For years, NXT survived by appealing to people who hated WWE. Somehow, it worked. People did all sorts of mental gymnastics to pretend that watching NXT was somehow an anti-WWE move. It became THE vanilla midget show, almost a third brand, people even told themselves that it was more popular than Raw and SmackDown and should be the blueprint for the main shows. Then AEW came along. It ticked more or less all the boxes NXT ticked, with the added bonus of actually not being part of WWE. NXT was then by default a heel to its own previous fanbase. “Indie super show” NXT failed. The endless cycle of Cole, Ciampa and Gargano against each other didn’t work. And building it around 40 year old indie wrestlers didn’t do a great job of creating (male singles) stars for the future. Something had to change. Developmental has always evolved. From the Dory Funk camps to HWA to Memphis to OVW to Deep South, there’s usually a change up every few years. Even when NXT first became developmental in 2012, it had a decent balance for a few years. But gradually it crept more and more into a niche show. Now it’s been dialled way back to a proper developmental show. TL;DR because Bron Breakker and Grayson Waller have brighter futures than Tommaso Ciampa and Roderick Strong.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 8, 2022 16:06:26 GMT -5
Betray and disgrace their father’s legacy 😂 which conspiracy is this again? it’s well known and documented that Vince sr did not want jr to do a national expansion. as Vince said about it to sports illustrated in 1991: “Had my father known what I was going to do, he never would have sold his stock to me.” he disgraced his family and father’s legacy, it’s a documented fact. so eat it pal I think if Vince sr was alive to see what Jr did. He would have made his son change his name back to Vinny Lupton.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jan 8, 2022 21:37:18 GMT -5
Just out of my own curiosity…
Is there any real “proof” of the Vince Sr thing other than what VKM said?
Because if that’s all we have to go on, I don’t think anyone has a real basis on how Vince Sr felt and would feel if he were still living.
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