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Post by hbkjason on Jan 29, 2023 6:07:24 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the show, mens rumble and main event were some of the best stuff I have seen in ages. However, the commentary is just beyond bad. I freaking hate Michael Cole and Pat mCafe's schtick. The opening minutes of the show where Cole and his forced excitement were there was just the worst way to kick the show off for me. I know we all have different things we like and do not like, but Michael Cole on commentary is one thing I just do not see how anyone can like. Pat made everything 10x better for me tonight,so glad hes back. Him and Cole is perfect together personally. That's cool and I am glad you liked it and it made the show better for you, but I hate it 🤣 I always find it interesting how some stuff clicks for some folks and not for others.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 29, 2023 6:15:27 GMT -5
Pat made everything 10x better for me tonight,so glad hes back. Him and Cole is perfect together personally. That's cool and I am glad you liked it and it made the show better for you, but I hate it 🤣 I always find it interesting how some stuff clicks for some folks and not for others. I can see why Pat's not for everybody lol,he sure is a acquired taste. I watched the show with my nephew and I don't think it went two minutes that me or him didn't bust out laughing about something Pat said and he just makes Cole better being with him imo.
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Post by Dan on Jan 29, 2023 6:40:39 GMT -5
I do find it pretty shocking that they didn't manage to lock in Roman Reigns vs The Rock for this Wrestlemania. I was convinced that this was seemingly what everything had been leading to for Roman for the past 6-12 months. At times a lot of it felt like filler for him just to get to Wrestlemania 39 for this inevitable mega match, and I had a feeling this was locked in a long time ago.
With the Rumble kicking off the Show, I then felt like they were then going down the route of getting Roman to do double duty at Wrestlemania, as surely they'd only close with Roman vs KO if we were getting The Rock show up to close the show.
Couple of pointers though. Cody had to come in at 30 if the Rock wasn't going to feature, purely because if he comes in any earlier, then everybody is going to be expecting Rock to be that final entrant, and would then feel deflated when it's not him. Logan Paul got a lot of heat for coming in at 29, as everyone then knew that we wouldn't be getting Sami Zayn. In the end, it turned out a pretty predictable Rumble, and while it did Gunther huge favours to have him go from 1 all the way to the end, I do feel like it shouldn't have gone that long since everybody knew Cody was winning.
The storytelling with the close to the show however was incredible. It's without doubt the best long-term story they've told in some time, but you almost feel like we should be going with Roman vs Sami at this point, and not Cody, and I'm wondering if this might even be detrimental to Cody's run to Wrestlemania now. All in all, it does now feel like since we're not getting The Rock vs Roman Reigns, with Roman finally losing around Summerslam time, that they're going to speed things up now. Wrestlemania will be the end of the Bloodline and the end of Roman's Title run. I think we'll get Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn beating the Uso's for the Tag Title's, and then Cody putting the final nail in the coffin and defeating Roman. If we do get The Rock vs Roman Reigns at Wrestlemania 40, it won't be anywhere near as big as it could have been, as this was the perfect time to do it.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 29, 2023 7:12:22 GMT -5
It was one of the greatest angles in company history. Would have loved a bit of blood but that's out of the question. But otherwise, perfect
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jan 29, 2023 7:18:52 GMT -5
So Mania card so far Roman/Cody Bianca/Rhea Charlotte/Asuka(?) Usos/KO&Sami Seth/Logan Lashley/Lesnar Edge/Balor Theory/Cena(?) GUNTHER/maybe Drew/Sheamus triple threat Ronda&Shayna/Damage Ctrl Bayley/Becky Bray/maybe Uncle Howdy If Orton gets back,maybe they have time to get him and Riddle
*GUNTHER/Solo would be good too
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jan 29, 2023 8:05:52 GMT -5
Roman needs to defeat Sami the first night of Wrestlemania and then lose to Cody the second night
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jan 29, 2023 8:06:32 GMT -5
Men’s rumble was poorly produced, unbearable to watch. Lol
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 29, 2023 8:21:23 GMT -5
Men’s rumble was poorly produced, unbearable to watch. You can say you didn’t personally like it and that’s fine, but to say any of what you said makes absolutely zero sense.
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Post by johnnyhanson21 on Jan 29, 2023 8:35:02 GMT -5
So Mania card so far Roman/Cody Bianca/Rhea Charlotte/Asuka(?) Usos/KO&Sami Seth/Logan Lashley/Lesnar Edge/Balor Theory/Cena(?) GUNTHER/maybe Drew/Sheamus triple threat Ronda&Shayna/Damage Ctrl Bayley/Becky Bray/maybe Uncle Howdy If Orton gets back,maybe they have time to get him and Riddle *GUNTHER/Solo would be good too Not my ideal card but think your pretty close.Also have to add Rey/Dominic and surely Stone Cold is going to have a match up,still hoping against Brock but if not maybe and easy match up against a big mouth like Miz or LA Knight.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Jan 29, 2023 8:41:55 GMT -5
What a show. Perfect from top to bottom imo. My 8 y/o and my 4 y/o were in to every single second of the mens rumble match. Everyone came out looking strong. Mania is looking good. Jey uso has been such a key part of the main story.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 29, 2023 8:50:39 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the show, mens rumble and main event were some of the best stuff I have seen in ages. However, the commentary is just beyond bad. I freaking hate Michael Cole and Pat mCafe's schtick. The opening minutes of the show where Cole and his forced excitement were there was just the worst way to kick the show off for me. I know we all have different things we like and do not like, but Michael Cole on commentary is one thing I just do not see how anyone can like. Agreed 100% with Cole. I don’t mind Pat, but Cole always comes off as forcing the company’s latest mandate/interest. Nothing ever comes natural with him and constantly yells ridiculous phrases like “FINISH THE STORY” (had to replace BOSS TIME with something). Which is a shame as I did like Cole during his early years commentating from 1999-2006.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jan 29, 2023 8:50:42 GMT -5
Jey Uso deserves a huge singles run. Like, at least IC champion. That man is gold.
And to think some of yall thought Jimmy was the best Uso
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 29, 2023 9:07:37 GMT -5
I liked the Woman’s Rumble, it was good to see Rhea win it from number one!
I would liked to see Drake Mavericks wife as a surprise entrant, she deserves a full time contract.
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Post by dollarbill04 on Jan 29, 2023 9:25:07 GMT -5
I don't know who the hell Hardy is, but that might've been the absolute worst musical performance I've ever seen. Just...wow.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 29, 2023 9:38:39 GMT -5
None of us watch on a regular basis at all anymore, but we always get a big group together for the Rumble as we do a pool for the match. $25 gets you two numbers and with 15 people it's a $375 pot. Winner gets $200, runner-up gets $100, third gets $50 and for fourth you get your $25 back. Pulled #1 for the men's Rumble because my luck usually sucks for these, but I owe Gunther a beer if we ever cross paths.
Both of the Rumble matches though were fun even though it seemed like there were only a few people who could legitimately win. The Kofi spot looked rough and the Logan Paul/Ricochet double springboard looked incredible. Nia coming out and getting dumped was pretty funny too. My buddy pulled #30 for that one and thought for sure she was gonna do work and at least be there at the end.
Unfortunately, the two regular matches sandwiched between the Rumbles were absolute bathroom breaks. Bianca/Alexa wasn't too bad, but felt super quick. Also, I just don't get The Fiend stuff at all. It looked like they were wrestling in a laser tag arena. They try to make his character so creepy and twisted, but most of it just comes off as incredibly hokey. That was bad.
The main event stuff though was really well done too. Those back of the head shots Owens took off the ring steps were absolutely brutal. How they played out the Sami/Bloodline angle afterwards was also super effective. Very unique way to close a PPV with so many big question marks.
Fun event though. Again, maybe because we watch way more casually these days and don't follow very closely anymore it makes it just easier to enjoy as opposed to nitpick everything.
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 29, 2023 9:54:22 GMT -5
I usually watch the Rumble match each year and that's it in terms of current product because I like the surprises (the only other two matches I watched in '22 were Cody at Mania and the HIAC). But I don't think I can anymore.
The production is awful. Those CG logos everyone has for their entrances are awful. The commentary is awful. The camera cutting to the crowd constantly is awful. Nearly all of the guy's I'd never heard of literally look like children playing wrestling in there.
I'd been hearing raves about Triple H's booking, but the rumble was booked horrendously. Predictable, boring, and totally lacking in starpower (doesn't help that Lashley and Brock were barely a blip in the match).
The last few Rumbles were bad but this one was easily the worst of all time.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jan 29, 2023 10:00:52 GMT -5
I usually watch the Rumble match each year and that's it in terms of current product because I like the surprises (the only other two matches I watched in '22 were Cody at Mania and the HIAC). But I don't think I can anymore. The production is awful. Those CG logos everyone has for their entrances are awful. The commentary is awful. The camera cutting to the crowd constantly is awful. Nearly all of the guy's I'd never heard of literally look like children playing wrestling in there. I'd been hearing raves about Triple H's booking, but the rumble was booked horrendously. Predictable, boring, and totally lacking in starpower (doesn't help that Lashley and Brock were barely a blip in the match). The last few Rumbles were bad but this one was easily the worst of all time. Ah yes, so you’re someone who enjoys the typical surprise filled rumbles where wrestlers of the past show up with ZERO chance of winning and are in the match for 2 minutes. A spot that could’ve been used to showcase actual signed talent. WWE cutting to the crowd has been done for 3 decades, how on earth are you all of a sudden bothered by it? This is how you build stars. Giving them time. If you keep relying on the past, nobody will care about the present and future. Star power to you is washed up hasbeens. Star power to casual viewers and regular fans are Balor, Edge, Lashley, Lesnar, McIntyre, Sheamus, Cody, Rollins, Strowman, who were all in the match.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 29, 2023 10:01:25 GMT -5
I usually watch the Rumble match each year and that's it in terms of current product because I like the surprises (the only other two matches I watched in '22 were Cody at Mania and the HIAC). But I don't think I can anymore. The production is awful. Those CG logos everyone has for their entrances are awful. The commentary is awful. The camera cutting to the crowd constantly is awful. Nearly all of the guy's I'd never heard of literally look like children playing wrestling in there. I'd been hearing raves about Triple H's booking, but the rumble was booked horrendously. Predictable, boring, and totally lacking in starpower (doesn't help that Lashley and Brock were barely a blip in the match). The last few Rumbles were bad but this one was easily the worst of all time. 2022 was one of the worst but I’d suggest you check out 2020 & 2018 tbh, two of the best in the modern era & of all time. 2019 & 2021 were both good too.
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 29, 2023 10:27:41 GMT -5
I usually watch the Rumble match each year and that's it in terms of current product because I like the surprises (the only other two matches I watched in '22 were Cody at Mania and the HIAC). But I don't think I can anymore. The production is awful. Those CG logos everyone has for their entrances are awful. The commentary is awful. The camera cutting to the crowd constantly is awful. Nearly all of the guy's I'd never heard of literally look like children playing wrestling in there. I'd been hearing raves about Triple H's booking, but the rumble was booked horrendously. Predictable, boring, and totally lacking in starpower (doesn't help that Lashley and Brock were barely a blip in the match). The last few Rumbles were bad but this one was easily the worst of all time. Ah yes, so you’re someone who enjoys the typical surprise filled rumbles where wrestlers of the past show up with ZERO chance of winning and are in the match for 2 minutes. A spot that could’ve been used to showcase actual signed talent. WWE cutting to the crowd has been done for 3 decades, how on earth are you all of a sudden bothered by it? This is how you build stars. Giving them time. If you keep relying on the past, nobody will care about the present and future. Star power to you is washed up hasbeens. Star power to casual viewers and regular fans are Balor, Edge, Lashley, Lesnar, McIntyre, Sheamus, Cody, Rollins, Strowman, who were all in the match. Surprises aren't ONLY people from the past. Big returns/debuts are surprises too. Styles was a good example, Edge a couple years ago, Christian in the covid rumble. WWE shouldn't have announced Cody would be in ahead of time. The cutting to the crowd has been egregious for years, and it's still bad. Maybe not as bad as cutting to them during Edge's first spear in his return. But still very bad. 30 years ago they weren't cutting to the crowd constantly in the middle of the action. Star power to me would be people who look credible. Sheamus had a good showing. Lashley, Lesnar, Edge being in the match itself was entirely pointless. Cody coming in at 30 with no legitimate stars left besides him, and his final challenge being thenumber 1 guy (who's IC champ, IE midcard) was bad, bad booking. Even then Booker got far more reaction than 95% of the rest of the entrants. The 'hasbeens' are still more over than the 'never will bes'.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 29, 2023 11:10:55 GMT -5
Ah yes, so you’re someone who enjoys the typical surprise filled rumbles where wrestlers of the past show up with ZERO chance of winning and are in the match for 2 minutes. A spot that could’ve been used to showcase actual signed talent. WWE cutting to the crowd has been done for 3 decades, how on earth are you all of a sudden bothered by it? This is how you build stars. Giving them time. If you keep relying on the past, nobody will care about the present and future. Star power to you is washed up hasbeens. Star power to casual viewers and regular fans are Balor, Edge, Lashley, Lesnar, McIntyre, Sheamus, Cody, Rollins, Strowman, who were all in the match. Surprises aren't ONLY people from the past. Big returns/debuts are surprises too. Styles was a good example, Edge a couple years ago, Christian in the covid rumble. WWE shouldn't have announced Cody would be in ahead of time. The cutting to the crowd has been egregious for years, and it's still bad. Maybe not as bad as cutting to them during Edge's first spear in his return. But still very bad. 30 years ago they weren't cutting to the crowd constantly in the middle of the action. Star power to me would be people who look credible. Sheamus had a good showing. Lashley, Lesnar, Edge being in the match itself was entirely pointless. Cody coming in at 30 with no legitimate stars left besides him, and his final challenge being thenumber 1 guy (who's IC champ, IE midcard) was bad, bad booking. Even then Booker got far more reaction than 95% of the rest of the entrants. The 'hasbeens' are still more over than the 'never will bes'. You contradicted yourself in your own post, they are actively building Gunther to the main event. It’s a project. Monday night was a big step, Brock being intimidated by him was a step, and lasting all the way through was a big step. They are building their stars. Triple H has only had the book since August and undoing damage done takes time, he built some guys back up quick like Seth, Theory etc, but other guys you have to plan out.
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