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Post by hbkjason on Jun 23, 2023 4:45:48 GMT -5
I saw a thing on Twitter that Matt Hardy posted about how he and Jeff were the squires, knights or whatever you want to call it opening the doorway for the wrestlers at King of the Ring 1995 and it made me remember that show and I thought that it would be something fun to talk about as it is nearly the 28th anniversary of that show. Holy crap does that make me feel old as I remember watching this show when I was in high school!
I know that some people consider this to be one of the worst PPV events of the New Generation era and I have to be honest I can see why, but there are a few things I like about the event. It was awesome to see Bret Hart get revenge on Jerry Lawler. The stuff they had Bret do in 1995 after Royal Rumble is a damn shame. However, he somehow made it work as best he could and apart from his match with Backlund at WrestleMania he had a far better 1995 than he should have when you look at what he did on paper. I wonder if they kind of pushed Bret to the background a bit to try and help Diesel get over more?
The actual King of the Ring tournament here is the absolute worst, it sucks. Shawn Michaels should have won this King of the Ring tournament. Hell, have him beat Mable in the finals, but they have Mable destroy him after if you still really want to make Mable this monster heel! However, Shawn Michaels not winning is not the dumbest thing about this tournament for me. Ok it is, but at the actual event, we got this awesome underdog story with Savio Vega that was so much fun and then they just squash it right at the end! If it was not going to be Shawn Michaels, they could have used this to get Savio over more, again, you could have had Mable destroy him after the bell.
This main event sucks big time what business in 1995 did Tatanka have being in the main event of a PPV and this is from someone that liked Tatanka! Bam Bam as a face did not work, they should have just kept him heel and have him be even nastier trying to avenge the humiliation after WrestleMania XI! Going back a little under a year earlier just imagine if it had been Lex that joined the corporation, you could have had Lex taking on Diesel at this time! I think if Diesel had a strong heel Bam Bam and a heel Lex Luger to go against in 1995 his run would have been much better. On a side note as bad as his matches with Sid were in May and July, I was actually excited about them at the time!
Anyway, would love to hear you guys talk about King of the Ring 95. Do you think it is the works King of the Ring PPV? Maybe even one of the worst PPVs or do you think the hate it gets in unfair?
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Post by The Brain on Jun 23, 2023 10:17:24 GMT -5
Def the worst KOTR and its up there for worst PPV
Only highlights for me was HBK/Kama and the Philly faithful ripping on this mess.Vince shouldve known better to put on a show like this in a city like Philly
I still stand by Bam Bam shouldve won the crown here as a monster heel with him challenging Diesel at SSlam for the belt
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 23, 2023 14:13:39 GMT -5
Should have been Diesel & HBK vs. Tatanka and Sid at the PPV.
Bam Bam winning the tournament defeating Undertaker in the finals would have been great!
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Post by rateddal on Jun 23, 2023 18:37:28 GMT -5
Def the worst KOTR and its up there for worst PPV Only highlights for me was HBK/Kama and the Philly faithful ripping on this mess.Vince shouldve known better to put on a show like this in a city like Philly I still stand by Bam Bam shouldve won the crown here as a monster heel with him challenging Diesel at SSlam for the belt Literally 2 years earlier they rewarded a deserving Bret for the Hogan mess at Mania by giving him the crown. Rewarding Bam Bam in a similar fashion should've been easy enough. The only possible difficulty would be keeping him a Monster heel because it seemed unlikely DiBiase and the Million Dollar Corporation would've just let the loss to LT slide without turning Bam Bam face in the process |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 23, 2023 19:33:35 GMT -5
Def the worst KOTR and its up there for worst PPV Only highlights for me was HBK/Kama and the Philly faithful ripping on this mess.Vince shouldve known better to put on a show like this in a city like Philly I still stand by Bam Bam shouldve won the crown here as a monster heel with him challenging Diesel at SSlam for the belt Literally 2 years earlier they rewarded a deserving Bret for the Hogan mess at Mania by giving him the crown. Rewarding Bam Bam in a similar fashion should've been easy enough. The only possible difficulty would be keeping him a Monster heel because it seemed unlikely DiBiase and the Million Dollar Corporation would've just let the loss to LT slide without turning Bam Bam face in the process Have em go on a tear with no losses which in turn would get em back in the good graces of DiBiase. Then have the Corporation turn on em after he fails to win the big one at SSlam |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jun 23, 2023 21:43:45 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun.
I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel.
Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning.
I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jun 23, 2023 21:47:16 GMT -5
Def the worst KOTR and its up there for worst PPV Only highlights for me was HBK/Kama and the Philly faithful ripping on this mess.Vince shouldve known better to put on a show like this in a city like Philly I still stand by Bam Bam shouldve won the crown here as a monster heel with him challenging Diesel at SSlam for the belt I really like this idea too as long as you obviously keep Bam Bam heel following WrestleMania XI. Book him as if losing to Lawrence Taylor pushed him over the edge and he becomes the most dangerous name on the roster. There is way more meat on the bone with a Diesel/Bam Bam main event at SummerSlam '95 than Mabel. |
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Post by hbkjason on Jun 24, 2023 1:29:11 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun. I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel. Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning. I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel. I love the idea of Bulldog turning heel here. Could have even had him go through Lex on the way to win the tournament. |
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jun 24, 2023 7:34:22 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun. I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel. Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning. I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel. totally agree! i didnt even care for savio at all and taking out the big names (micheals, taker, yoko) in the tourny sucked. then having lower guys like bob holly & roadie in there didnt help. the tag match was meh, bret vs lawlwer was fun, but didnt save this card. |
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Post by rateddal on Jun 24, 2023 8:12:15 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun. I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel. Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning. I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel. It was easily believable during the kayfabe era that Mabels heel turn and monster push was a simple change in attitude. I think Mabels push was seen as a failure because the matched with Diesel were awful. Simple as that to me. JBLs push in the RA era was a lot harder for me to buy and it took a while but JBL put in the work and effort to finally win me over. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jun 24, 2023 8:52:16 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun. I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel. Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning. I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel.
That's an interesting idea. I never really considered it before, but turning Davey Boy heel at this event, and winning the crown, would have been something that could have worked. Plus, you would have had Bret winning the 1993 tournament, Owen winning the 1994 tournament, and now Bulldog winning the 1995 tournament - all from the same family, there's a storyline in there somewhere. This also would have put Davey Boy versus Diesel at the Summer Slam PPV, instead of Mabel. This would have been a good way to kick off the Diesel/Bulldog/Bret feud for the fall of 1995. For me, the time to turn Lex heel would have been the prior summer in 1994. Have him go back to his Total Package gimmick, or a combination of that and the Narcissist gimmick. He could have been the top guy in DiBiase's Million Dollar Corporation. After the turn, I would have put him in Backlund's spot. He would have been the one to take the title off of Bret at Survivor Series 1994 and he would have been the one to drop the belt to Diesel - though I would have waited until the Royal Rumble in 1995 or WM11 to do that. Personally, I still think the route to go with the KOTR would have been Bigelow. After his WM loss to LT, really start to push him as a monster heel. Have other wrestlers make fun of him weekly, then Bam Bam comes out and destroys them. Then Bam Bam enters the KOTR tournament and runs through everyone, earning a shot at the title against Diesel. Once he is done with the feud against Deisel, he can then start one with the Undertaker. Did those two ever wrestle on TV in the WWF? |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 24, 2023 9:16:44 GMT -5
One of the worst WWF PPVs of all-time. Even with the nostalgia I have growing up in that era, it has aged like a quart of milk left in the sun. I know they were looking for a physically imposing heel to match up with Diesel, but Mabel wasn't the answer. For the previous two years he had been a babyface in a midcard tag team going nowhere. He was very skilled for a big man for sure. However, fans just weren't going to buy him becoming this unstoppable monster heel. Another thing the fans weren't buying was Savio Vega as Rocky Balboa. It is one thing to give him a good showing at the event to boost his stock since he had just recently debuted. What they ended up doing though was totally overexposing him. Nobody wanted to see three Savio matches that night and the way he was shoved as the underdog babyface ended up having the opposite effect. By the time of the final round, the crowd was not going to be happy with either guy winning. I still say the better option would have been to pull the trigger on a heel turn for Lex or an earlier one for Bulldog. The company was starved for top heels and at least those guys had credible names the fans who buy as serious contenders versus Diesel.
That's an interesting idea. I never really considered it before, but turning Davey Boy heel at this event, and winning the crown, would have been something that could have worked. Plus, you would have had Bret winning the 1993 tournament, Owen winning the 1994 tournament, and now Bulldog winning the 1995 tournament - all from the same family, there's a storyline in their somewhere. This also would have put Davey Boy versus Diesel at the Summer Slam PPV, instead of Mabel. This would have been a good way to kick off the Diesel/Bulldog/Bret feud for the fall of 1995. For me, the time to turn Lex heel would have been the prior summer in 1994. Have him go back to his Total Package gimmick, or a combination of that and the Narcissist gimmick. He could have been the top guy in DiBiase's Million Dollar Corporation. After the turn, I would have put him in Backlund's spot. He would have been the one to take the title off of Bret at Survivor Series 1994 and he would have been the one to drop the belt to Diesel - though I would have waited until the Royal Rumble in 1995 or WM11 to do that. Personally, I still think the route to go with the KOTR would have been Bigelow. After his WM loss to LT, really start to push him as a monster heel. Have other wrestlers make fun of him weekly, then Bam Bam comes out and destroys them. Then Bam Bam enters the KOTR tournament and runs through everyone, earning a shot at the title against Diesel. Once he is done with the feud against Deisel, he can then start one with the Undertaker. Did those two ever wrestle on TV in the WWF? Yeah at the Road to Mania IX special. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 24, 2023 13:40:53 GMT -5
Def the worst KOTR and its up there for worst PPV Only highlights for me was HBK/Kama and the Philly faithful ripping on this mess.Vince shouldve known better to put on a show like this in a city like Philly I still stand by Bam Bam shouldve won the crown here as a monster heel with him challenging Diesel at SSlam for the belt I really like this idea too as long as you obviously keep Bam Bam heel following WrestleMania XI. Book him as if losing to Lawrence Taylor pushed him over the edge and he becomes the most dangerous name on the roster. There is way more meat on the bone with a Diesel/Bam Bam main event at SummerSlam '95 than Mabel. Bingo. |
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Post by wwfcollector1973 on Jun 24, 2023 15:45:46 GMT -5
I thought out of the big 5 ppv's of that year, in my opinion only Survivor Series was enjoyable.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jun 25, 2023 0:01:21 GMT -5
HBK vs Kama  ing rocked and that’s all that mattered. |
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jun 25, 2023 12:54:06 GMT -5
HBK vs Kama ing rocked and that’s all that mattered. that was he best match on the card |
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Jun 25, 2023 12:55:46 GMT -5
I thought out of the big 5 ppv's of that year, in my opinion only Survivor Series was enjoyable. i only liked the bret/diesel & goldust/bigelow matches and the elimination match with micheals, yoko, sid, etc at this event i thought mania was besty event of the year |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jun 26, 2023 9:21:48 GMT -5
I kinda block WWF 1995 out of my memory as it was horrible.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 26, 2023 12:35:28 GMT -5
HBK vs Kama ing rocked and that’s all that mattered. what a match in fairness. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jun 26, 2023 21:00:32 GMT -5
I kinda block WWF 1995 out of my memory as it was horrible. There was some pretty solid stuff once you sift through the crap especially towards the backend of the year. |
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