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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 26, 2023 11:45:04 GMT -5
Aways loved HH. 1993 is a very underrated show.
1998 had a jam-packed card and just looking at the match listings, you’d think that this was an all time show. Shame it turned out as bad as it did.
Goldberg/DDP
Hogan/Warrior
Bret/Sting
Nash/Hall
Steiner/Steiner
Any of these matches on name alone could have main eventer a PPV during the Monday night wars. Yet someone all of them outside of Goldberg/DDP turned into overbooked messes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 11:49:50 GMT -5
Aways loved HH. 1993 is a very underrated show. 1998 had a jam-packed card and just looking at the match listings, you’d think that this was an all time show. Shame it turned out as bad as it did. Goldberg/DDP Hogan/Warrior Bret/Sting Nash/Hall Steiner/Steiner Any of these matches on name alone could have main eventer a PPV during the Monday night wars. Yet someone all of them outside of Goldberg/DDP turned into overbooked messes. As a 10 year old in '98, there's nothing like seeing Sting being bludgeoned to death on live PPV by Bret Hart |
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 26, 2023 18:41:02 GMT -5
Aways loved HH. 1993 is a very underrated show. 1998 had a jam-packed card and just looking at the match listings, you’d think that this was an all time show. Shame it turned out as bad as it did. Goldberg/DDP Hogan/Warrior Bret/Sting Nash/Hall Steiner/Steiner Any of these matches on name alone could have main eventer a PPV during the Monday night wars. Yet someone all of them outside of Goldberg/DDP turned into overbooked messes.I think that is the best way to describe this PPV. While it wasn't as bad as I remembered it, it just didn't do anything great/good. Like you said, anyone of those 5 matches would have been a main event of any PPV they had that year, but to have them all on the same show, it should have made this the best PPV of all-time, but it didn't happen. Overbooked seems to sum it up perfectly; too many outside inferences/run-ins in matches, strange finishes, too many ref bumps, etc. If they just would have let each one wrestle normally, I think it would have been a much better show. Look at the best match on the show, DDP and Goldberg, it was just those two guys wrestling their match, no outside inference, no ref bumps, no convoluted finish, just two guys telling a simple story. If the other top matches did that, then this could have been one of WCW's best PPV's, ever. And, it could have helped WCW halt the downward slide they were in at the time. |
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 26, 2023 18:51:44 GMT -5
Aways loved HH. 1993 is a very underrated show. 1998 had a jam-packed card and just looking at the match listings, you’d think that this was an all time show. Shame it turned out as bad as it did. Goldberg/DDP Hogan/Warrior Bret/Sting Nash/Hall Steiner/Steiner Any of these matches on name alone could have main eventer a PPV during the Monday night wars. Yet someone all of them outside of Goldberg/DDP turned into overbooked messes. As a 10 year old in '98, there's nothing like seeing Sting being bludgeoned to death on live PPV by Bret Hart This was a match I was looking forward to for years. During the early/mid 90s, Bret was my top WWF guy while Sting was my top WCW guy. If you would have told me in 1993 or 1994 that Sting and Bret would finally have a match, I would have been so hyped, and it would have been the biggest match I could have ever asked for. But something about the match just didn't work. I can't put my finger on it; the guys didn't do anything horrible in the match, there weren't any botches or moves that made you roll your eyes (except for maybe the ref wiggling out of the way), it just didn't work. I can't recall, but was this the very first time that Sting and Bret ever wrestled each other one on one? Maybe they just weren't comfortable enough with each other in the ring, maybe they didn't have each other's timings down. But again, nothing looked off, it was just a bland match. And, Sting took some time off after the match so there was never a follow up match. As for the ref thing, go back and watch that part. The ref takes an elbow from Sting (he thought it was Bret), and the ref gets "knocked out". However, he basically falls in the center of the ring and stays there, so the guys really couldn't do anything because the ref was in the middle of the ring. I think Bret let him know, but instead of rolling away and making it look normal, he kind of wiggles out of the way while still pretending to be knocked out. It looked so ridiculous; you could even hear the crowd laughing as he was wriggling. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 26, 2023 19:01:42 GMT -5
Aways loved HH. 1993 is a very underrated show. 1998 had a jam-packed card and just looking at the match listings, you’d think that this was an all time show. Shame it turned out as bad as it did. Goldberg/DDP Hogan/Warrior Bret/Sting Nash/Hall Steiner/Steiner Any of these matches on name alone could have main eventer a PPV during the Monday night wars. Yet someone all of them outside of Goldberg/DDP turned into overbooked messes.I think that is the best way to describe this PPV. While it wasn't as bad as I remembered it, it just didn't do anything great/good. Like you said, anyone of those 5 matches would have been a main event of any PPV they had that year, but to have them all on the same show, it should have made this the best PPV of all-time, but it didn't happen. Overbooked seems to sum it up perfectly; too many outside inferences/run-ins in matches, strange finishes, too many ref bumps, etc. If they just would have let each one wrestle normally, I think it would have been a much better show. Look at the best match on the show, DDP and Goldberg, it was just those two guys wrestling their match, no outside inference, no ref bumps, no convoluted finish, just two guys telling a simple story. If the other top matches did that, then this could have been one of WCW's best PPV's, ever. And, it could have helped WCW halt the downward slide they were in at the time. I’ve always looked at this PPV as the beginning of the end. WCW had already been screwing things up, but the following night was the final time Nitro ever beat Raw in the weekly ratings (and it was mostly due to showing Goldberg/DDP for free). WCW still had stars that fans wanted to tune in for, but this PPV seemed to be the final straw for many. Between the screwy matches and most people not even seeing Goldberg/DDP, the downfall truely began with this show. |
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Post by MKSavage on Nov 26, 2023 19:10:13 GMT -5
I think that is the best way to describe this PPV. While it wasn't as bad as I remembered it, it just didn't do anything great/good. Like you said, anyone of those 5 matches would have been a main event of any PPV they had that year, but to have them all on the same show, it should have made this the best PPV of all-time, but it didn't happen. Overbooked seems to sum it up perfectly; too many outside inferences/run-ins in matches, strange finishes, too many ref bumps, etc. If they just would have let each one wrestle normally, I think it would have been a much better show. Look at the best match on the show, DDP and Goldberg, it was just those two guys wrestling their match, no outside inference, no ref bumps, no convoluted finish, just two guys telling a simple story. If the other top matches did that, then this could have been one of WCW's best PPV's, ever. And, it could have helped WCW halt the downward slide they were in at the time. I’ve always looked at this PPV as the beginning of the end. WCW had already been screwing things up, but the following night was the final time Nitro ever beat Raw in the weekly ratings (and it was mostly due to showing Goldberg/DDP for free). WCW still had stars that fans wanted to tune in for, but this PPV seemed to be the final straw for many. Between the screwy matches and most people not even seeing Goldberg/DDP, the downfall truly began with this show. I agree. I think fans were still giving them the benefit of the doubt after the Starrcade 97 debacle. But this was the last straw. I think fans still tuned in, but not the way they did before. I would also say that WCW having trouble creating new stars hurt them as well. I thought the Millionaire Club for the young stars could have been a compelling storyline, but none of the new stars could compare with the older stars, and the fans just weren't into it. Add that to all the screwy finishes and convoluted storylines, WCW had no chance. |
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Post by The Brain on Nov 26, 2023 21:13:18 GMT -5
Still my vote for weirdest intro ever
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