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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 4:56:58 GMT -5
People bitch non stop about Triple H not jobbing to anyone when The Undertaker is just as bad!
Only Hogan, Trips and Michaels have been more greedy than Taker over the years. His gimmick has lost all it's gas. And due to his gimmick, he doesn't sell, he doesn't utilize the mic and he takes 2 hours to come to the ring. The ABA is when we saw the REAL Undertaker. The Deadman gimmick is all washed up and it's tiring to see him "come back from the dead" for the 12907412th time.
The guy is a great ring worker, and gets the crowd right into it, but why did he have to go over Orton and Kennedy? What did that accomplish?
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Post by tnafan4life on Sept 24, 2007 5:26:17 GMT -5
I agree with that. It's not the fact that he beats guys - it's the fact that's it's the younger guys. I understand beating guys like Mark Henry because much like 'Taker we don't know how much longer he'll be able to keep going. It's the fact that it's guys like Orton, Kennedy & all those. It just doesn't make sense on why a guy that is a big name basically refuses to put the younger guys over. I don't understand why he even needs to "die" & "comeback" anymore & it feel "special". It's the same crap everytime. Then ever promo.. everytime. People bitch about Cena "OMGZ HE GUNNA USE THE SAME PROMO AS BEFORE" so does Undertaker.
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Post by flying-shorty on Sept 24, 2007 5:43:01 GMT -5
I agree...in this age of wrestling nobody cares for gimmicks like his. Guys like Boogeyman can be passed of as 'weirdos' but rising from the dead etc is just something that nobody believes nor is interested in. The problem with Taker these days is he obviously has a pretty light schedule which I dont mind, but it means the storyline never gets over. It doesnt matter how many videos they show, nothing hypes up a feud more than face to face promos. He wud be better going bak to his biker days or atleast somethin inbetween the deadman and the biker.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Sept 24, 2007 6:29:16 GMT -5
The thing about Trips and HBK, is that they've lost to guys like Cena (Who you didn't mention), Orton, Edge, Umaga, and even <gulp> the Spirit Squad. Undertaker? When was the last time he's even lost a match?
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Post by Adam on Sept 24, 2007 6:33:38 GMT -5
If Orton deserved to be put over, I'd agree with you.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 6:35:07 GMT -5
If Orton deserved to be put over, I'd agree with you. In 2005, Orton was hot off the youngest World Title run and Taker was just... there. What does he gain from not putting the younger Orton over?
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Post by Dan on Sept 24, 2007 6:44:46 GMT -5
I wish they made the Undertaker look as 'Deadman' in the ring as they do on his videos and promos. As soon as he gets in the ring he looks like any other normal wrestler, and moves like one. Back in the day, all the way up to 1998, he would actually wear good looking attires, and move like a real deadman.
Now, he just wears tights, boots and a vest like anyone else. Even the fact that his hair is brushed back behind his head annoys me, why not have it hanging over his face.
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Post by cia on Sept 24, 2007 7:11:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say he's greedy. Anybody that works a feud with the Undertaker ends up looking a million bucks. Orton looked great in their match at Wrestlemania 21, even though he lost. He won a match against him at Summerslam 2005; he won the Casket Match and lost in the Hell in the Cell, he still came out looking strong.
Same with Kennedy. Kennedy lost to the Undertaker to end their feud, but came out looking less like a mid-carder and more like a main eventer. Putting someone over doesn't mean you have to let them pin you, its how you make them look in the ring and during the feud. Undertaker has done his fair share of jobs over the years; and now he's making all the younger guys look good. I don't think its fair to say he burries people, when he obviously doesn't.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2007 7:17:21 GMT -5
LOL! Hot off being the youngest world champion? I think not. Hardly. Never compare Taker jobbing to what Triple H does because HHH's stuff out rules takers
and his gimmick doesnt sell? Yes thats why after some 17 odd years he can still getting a crowd going not to mention hi t shirts and merchandise sell like hot cakes.
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Post by Edge618 on Sept 24, 2007 7:34:42 GMT -5
He put Orton over at Summerslam thank you.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 7:48:10 GMT -5
Undertaker has done his fair share of jobs over the years; and now he's making all the younger guys look good. I don't think its fair to say he burries people, when he obviously doesn't. The mainstream fans thought Kennedy was terrible after he lost match after match to Taker. It DOES matter if you win or lose in a feud. Taker didn't put Kennedy over. KK never pinned him once in that feud. And after the DQ victory Kennedy had over him, Taker beat the crap out of him. If that was Triple H, "Burial!!" would've been shouted from the rooftops. Taker making someone "Look like a good wrestler" means nothing if he makes you look like an unworthy piece of crap afterward. Didn't lose once via pinfall. Not by hook. Not by crook. He loss once when HE hit Kennedy with a chair and got himself disqualified. Then loss to KK again in a First Blood Match AFTER he busted Kennedy open. On both occasions, he beat the crap out of Kennedy after the match. It's been FIVE YEARS since he lost a feud to anyone worth a damn. During that time, I've seen him come back and destroy heaps of guys at one time (Survivor Series 2005 comes to mind). Each and every time, all that's heard is "it's his character". No. It's his fascination with his character, to be honest. and his gimmick doesnt sell? Yes thats why after some 17 odd years he can still getting a crowd going not to mention hi t shirts and merchandise sell like hot cakes. I was talking about selling in the ring. You know, he gets hit with a finisher and then sits up.
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Sept 24, 2007 7:51:40 GMT -5
The thing about Trips and HBK, is that they've lost to guys like Cena (Who you didn't mention), Orton, Edge, Umaga, and even <gulp> the Spirit Squad. Undertaker? When was the last time he's even lost a match? Let's see... in 2006 Kurt Angle, Khali, Kennedy(2times), MVP, in a tag match. Just because he gets the ender for the feud does not mean that he never loses. He does more than any other veteran on any show to get guys over, and I love how people are like "when's the last time he's lost a match" when he spent half of last year on his back.
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 7:54:27 GMT -5
He does more than any other veteran on any show to get guys over Oh lord... Yeah, like The Undertaker jobs to the younger talent more than Ric Flair.
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Post by Jacob on Sept 24, 2007 9:00:47 GMT -5
No way.
The Undertaker has been putting over rising Superstars for years, it's only just recently that he's been on a winning streak seeing as he won the World Championship - and it's all 100% totally deserved.
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Post by taker1 on Sept 24, 2007 9:03:27 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to say he's greedy. Anybody that works a feud with the Undertaker ends up looking a million bucks. Orton looked great in their match at Wrestlemania 21, even though he lost. He won a match against him at Summerslam 2005; he won the Casket Match and lost in the Hell in the Cell, he still came out looking strong. Same with Kennedy. Kennedy lost to the Undertaker to end their feud, but came out looking less like a mid-carder and more like a main eventer. Putting someone over doesn't mean you have to let them pin you, its how you make them look in the ring and during the feud. Undertaker has done his fair share of jobs over the years; and now he's making all the younger guys look good. I don't think its fair to say he burries people, when he obviously doesn't. Exactly. He always makes his opponents look great when he's feuding with them. You don't have to put someone over by letting them win. Besides, the only reason he always wins is because they need to make him long strong- after all, he is supposed to be this dead person that everybody's afraid of. If he lost as many matches as say..Kane..nobody would make him out to be a threat. Look at Kane now..he's a joke. I agree with you though that his gimmick now sucks. He needs to return to ABA/ Big Evil badly.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2007 9:07:36 GMT -5
I liked how you pass judgement. Let me see these mainstream fans you spoke of.
Undertaker for years has always no sold...Why because his character was written like that from day one
not to mention Undertaker is doing good han Flair who jobs to each and every superstar who doesnt get anywhere. The rub flair once had is lost
Undertaker has a way of making someone look good as opposed to Triple H
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 9:22:14 GMT -5
So, when Triple H hits Umaga with a sledgehammer it's a burial, but when The Undertaker hits Kennedy with a chair, it's putting him over?
And when Triple H cleans house on 5 people it's a burial, but when The Undertaker cleans house on like 30 wrestlers it's his character?
Hmmm, makes sense I guess.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2007 9:34:24 GMT -5
i didnt know undertaker hitting kennedy with a chair was writting him out of storyline
Undertaker coming back and throwing people out the ring whats your point
these are all horrible examples so just stop
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Post by rkolegendkilla on Sept 24, 2007 9:39:12 GMT -5
i didnt know undertaker hitting kennedy with a chair was writting him out of storyline Undertaker coming back and throwing people out the ring whats your point these are all horrible examples so just stop Kennedy not going anywhere made it worse! There was no reason to hit him in the head with a chair after the match when Kennedy was actually looking like a decent heel, was there? And Undertaker returning doesn't automatically mean he has to clean the clock of every ing wrestler on the Smackdown roster. He could have easily just attacked Orton. And your replies are really weak. If you're trying to look like a big boy insted of making decent conversation like usual, you've failed.
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Post by Mark on Sept 24, 2007 9:50:48 GMT -5
Once again you've resulted to petty jabs and making false judgement when you're the one not providing a valid arguement Young One. the examples you provided arent good. Taker hitting Kennedy in the head with a chair, i dont know which mach youre talking about to even say something. Taker didnt buy or worsen Kennedy one bit seeing the crowd reactions he get Undertaker throwing everyone out the ring at SvS was him coming back pissed and hell bent. Triple H Cleaning the ring HAS never been "oh no he has buried everyone". No way you can 'bury' someone by throwing them out the ring.
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