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Post by COCK & BLAST on Oct 26, 2007 21:49:32 GMT -5
All I can say is:
One of my favorites wrestlers ever.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 26, 2007 22:58:32 GMT -5
ath·lete / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ath-leet] –noun a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.
Now I don't know about all of the RVD haters but can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you leap from the inside of a wrestling ring all the way to the third row of a crowd all while keeping yourself safe as well as your opponent?
Because if you can do all the physical things he does, the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat then you are all right and he is not an athlete.
But since I know the biggest muscle all you guys have are your fingers then I think I will have to say he is absolutely in the top 5 wrestling athletes ever.
RVD was ECW. If it was still around (the real ECW) he would still be wrestling and still be entertaining crowds. But no, since WWE had to go and buy out ECW they brought RVD in, told him he couldn't use HALF of the moves he used in ECW, hardly gave him any mic time, didn't bring Alfonso..they wanted him to get over on raw talent alone. AND HE DID. Within 2 months of being in the RVD he had crowds chanting his name louder than most of the top superstars at that time.
They really dropped the ball with RVD. He was beyond over, and they chose to keep him at the IC title.
Just his work ethic, the way he worked out, the arial moves he would come up with, the way he sold moves(I.E. any DDT, Randy's RKO), and to top it all off HE WAS ONLY ON THE INJURED LIST FOR A LONG TIME ONE TIME...or maybe 2 at the most. Compare that to all these accident prone wrestlers nowadays, and they didn't do half the moves RVD did.
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Post by chumped on Oct 26, 2007 23:01:58 GMT -5
So because none of us are wrestlers, he is in the top five?
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on Oct 26, 2007 23:10:36 GMT -5
So because none of us are wrestlers, he is in the top five? Well, duh. Rob Van Dam was talented, yes. But RVD was more hype than anything. If anyone out there could jump, spin around, and throw karate kicks, they wouldn't be as loved as RVD, because RVD knew how to endear himself to the crowd. The majority of the fans that cheered him when he came to the WWE were only doing it because it was the cool thing to do. The vast majority of the WWE's fanbase didn't know who Rob Van Dam was, and they didn't really care. They saw someone else cheering him, thought he looked cool, and went along. Rob Van Dam in WWE was nothing but a product of hype. I'll say it again. Shawn Michaels > Rob Van Dam.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 26, 2007 23:23:24 GMT -5
I think Shawn was entertaining for the time period he came out.
He is an amazing athlete and truly was the showstopper...BACK THEN!
But I will say if HBK never came around there probably wouldn't be a RVD...just like if RVD wasn't around there definately would not be an AJ Styles.
Can HBK do half the stuff RVD does? No. Could he ever? No but he opened the door for that type of arial, high-flying wrestling to truly be accepted..especially for a main-event caliber wrestler. With saying all that I do believe that RVD would not be able to keep up with AJ Styles. But RVD definately brought in a whole arsenal of ideas as far as innovation goes.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 26, 2007 23:25:12 GMT -5
So because none of us are wrestlers, he is in the top five? No, it's because none of you are wrestlers that I don't think any of you should be flat out saying he is not an athlete. Smartass.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Oct 26, 2007 23:25:21 GMT -5
How can you say he was a product of hype? It's not like he was some rookie when he came to the WWE wrestling his first match; he was already a well-established wrestler that most wrestling fans knew about. The fact that he still kept the crowd behind him even after watering himself down to fit the WWE's style of wrestling is even more proof as to how good of an in-ring routine he really has.
And saying Shawn Michaels is better than RVD is VERY vague. If you're talking about charisma and the overall ability to entertain a crowd, then yes. If you're talking about actual athleticism and work ethic, then not a chance.
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Oct 26, 2007 23:25:58 GMT -5
RVD is the greatest high flyer of all time, he is also the most flexible and disciplined wrestler ever. Idk about being the best highflyer.. But hes defenitley not the most disciplined..This guy got in trouble with the law a while back..
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Oct 26, 2007 23:26:31 GMT -5
I just found it ironic that the guy you apparently consider to be the best wrestling athlete ever just failed his second steroid test not more than two months ago.
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Post by Corzaa on Oct 26, 2007 23:48:26 GMT -5
ath·lete / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ath-leet] –noun a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill. Now I don't know about all of the RVD haters but can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you leap from the inside of a wrestling ring all the way to the third row of a crowd all while keeping yourself safe as well as your opponent? Because if you can do all the physical things he does, the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat then you are all right and he is not an athlete. But since I know the biggest muscle all you guys have are your fingers then I think I will have to say he is absolutely in the top 5 wrestling athletes ever. RVD was ECW. If it was still around (the real ECW) he would still be wrestling and still be entertaining crowds. But no, since WWE had to go and buy out ECW they brought RVD in, told him he couldn't use HALF of the moves he used in ECW, hardly gave him any mic time, didn't bring Alfonso..they wanted him to get over on raw talent alone. AND HE DID. Within 2 months of being in the RVD he had crowds chanting his name louder than most of the top superstars at that time. They really dropped the ball with RVD. He was beyond over, and they chose to keep him at the IC title. Just his work ethic, the way he worked out, the arial moves he would come up with, the way he sold moves(I.E. any DDT, Randy's RKO), and to top it all off HE WAS ONLY ON THE INJURED LIST FOR A LONG TIME ONE TIME...or maybe 2 at the most. Compare that to all these accident prone wrestlers nowadays, and they didn't do half the moves RVD did. First of all,buy out ECW? Was'nt ECW bankrupt? Secondly,because WE'RE not as athletic as RVD that makes him the most athletic in the history of professional wrestling? dumbest logic ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 0:00:18 GMT -5
imo, when it comes to the all around GWOAT, Shawn Michaels gets my pick by far. But when it comes to the high flying, flexible, and disciplined Rob Van Dam, he wins in that category.
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Post by captain master talbot on Oct 27, 2007 0:30:33 GMT -5
RVD is the greatest high flyer of all time, he is also the most flexible and disciplined wrestler ever. Idk about being the best highflyer.. But hes defenitley not the most disciplined..This guy got in trouble with the law a while back.. Rofl don't even try to compare Jeff Hardy to Van Dam. Botch Hardy doesn't hold a damn candle to RVD, and never will.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 27, 2007 0:48:32 GMT -5
ath·lete / Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ath-leet] –noun a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill. Now I don't know about all of the RVD haters but can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you leap from the inside of a wrestling ring all the way to the third row of a crowd all while keeping yourself safe as well as your opponent? Because if you can do all the physical things he does, the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat then you are all right and he is not an athlete. But since I know the biggest muscle all you guys have are your fingers then I think I will have to say he is absolutely in the top 5 wrestling athletes ever. RVD was ECW. If it was still around (the real ECW) he would still be wrestling and still be entertaining crowds. But no, since WWE had to go and buy out ECW they brought RVD in, told him he couldn't use HALF of the moves he used in ECW, hardly gave him any mic time, didn't bring Alfonso..they wanted him to get over on raw talent alone. AND HE DID. Within 2 months of being in the RVD he had crowds chanting his name louder than most of the top superstars at that time. They really dropped the ball with RVD. He was beyond over, and they chose to keep him at the IC title. Just his work ethic, the way he worked out, the arial moves he would come up with, the way he sold moves(I.E. any DDT, Randy's RKO), and to top it all off HE WAS ONLY ON THE INJURED LIST FOR A LONG TIME ONE TIME...or maybe 2 at the most. Compare that to all these accident prone wrestlers nowadays, and they didn't do half the moves RVD did. First of all,buy out ECW? Was'nt ECW bankrupt? Secondly,because WE'RE not as athletic as RVD that makes him the most athletic in the history of professional wrestling? dumbest logic ever. LOL. Since you kids on this forum have a hard time reading posts that are longer than a sentence I will try to make this easy for you... can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you do all the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat? If so then you are all right and he is not an athlete.
But since I know that the biggest muscle all you guys have are the muscles in your fingers then I think I will have to disagree with you all and say he is AN ATHLETE AND absolutely is in MY top 5 wrestling athletes ever.
does that help? I added a few words to my previous statement since you weren't able to comprehend my comparison of an athlete opposed to those of you who sit on your asses all day talking s*** on wrestlers who risk their lives (ESPECIALLY RVD) trying to entertain YOU.
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Post by chumped on Oct 27, 2007 1:05:17 GMT -5
First of all,buy out ECW? Was'nt ECW bankrupt? Secondly,because WE'RE not as athletic as RVD that makes him the most athletic in the history of professional wrestling? dumbest logic ever. LOL. Since you kids on this forum have a hard time reading posts that are longer than a sentence I will try to make this easy for you... can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you do all the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat? If so then you are all right and he is not an athlete.
But since I know that the biggest muscle all you guys have are the muscles in your fingers then I think I will have to disagree with you all and say he is AN ATHLETE AND absolutely is in MY top 5 wrestling athletes ever.
does that help? I added a few words to my previous statement since you weren't able to comprehend my comparison of an athlete opposed to those of you who sit on your asses all day talking s*** on wrestlers who risk their lives (ESPECIALLY RVD) trying to entertain YOU. So because we aren't athletes we cant criticize them? Then I guess wrestling shouldn't have any fans. And, you don't KNOW anything about anyone here. Some people here could be ing ripped, and you're running your mouth saying "I know that everyone here's biggest muscles are their fingers". Some of us work out. And, we don't need to be wrestlers to have an opinion of one.
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Post by Sandy on Oct 27, 2007 1:16:19 GMT -5
LOL. Since you kids on this forum have a hard time reading posts that are longer than a sentence I will try to make this easy for you... can you physically do what he does in the ring? Can you do all the flips, the kicks, the falls to the mat? If so then you are all right and he is not an athlete.
But since I know that the biggest muscle all you guys have are the muscles in your fingers then I think I will have to disagree with you all and say he is AN ATHLETE AND absolutely is in MY top 5 wrestling athletes ever.
does that help? I added a few words to my previous statement since you weren't able to comprehend my comparison of an athlete opposed to those of you who sit on your asses all day talking s*** on wrestlers who risk their lives (ESPECIALLY RVD) trying to entertain YOU. So because we aren't athletes we cant criticize them? Then I guess wrestling shouldn't have any fans. And, you don't KNOW anything about anyone here. Some people here could be ing ripped, and you're running your mouth saying "I know that everyone here's biggest muscles are their fingers". Some of us work out. And, we don't need to be wrestlers to have an opinion of one. Criticizing is fine. But to say that someone with RVD's experience isn't AN ATHLETE AT ALL? Is ridiculous. All the years he has been around. The hours upon hours he puts in the gym. The physical damage he does to his body 6 days out of the week. The high-flying moves he does. The quick pace he works. His stamina, his strength, and his innovation in the ring..and he is not an athlete? I have a lot of respect for wrestlers like RVD. Who understand that this isn't a sport. It is SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT and in order to entertain you have to have the right look (and he does..from his stoner facial expressions to his colorful singlets)...physique (always kept himself in terrific shape)...his high flying manuevers as well as keeping a fast pace...and how he always interacted with the crowd. Whether it was to just do his little thumbs "R-V-D" chant or simply to bow to the crowd for applauding for something he has done in the ring..
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Post by HugoOne on Oct 27, 2007 1:49:27 GMT -5
I'd actually put Benjamin above RVD in terms of athleticism. The stuff Benjamin did in the MITB matches blows my mind. The problem is Van Dam is, as someone said before, he's sloppy in the ring. Most of his moves don't connect. It doesn't matter how high you jump from, or how extended your kick is, if it misses, it doesn't mean anything.
Don't get me wrong, I love Van Dam. I think he's a blast to watch. But I wouldn't call him the most exciting wrestler or the most athletic.
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Post by HugoOne on Oct 27, 2007 2:04:35 GMT -5
RVD was ECW. If it was still around (the real ECW) he would still be wrestling and still be entertaining crowds. But no, since WWE had to go and buy out ECW they brought RVD in, told him he couldn't use HALF of the moves he used in ECW, hardly gave him any mic time, didn't bring Alfonso..they wanted him to get over on raw talent alone. AND HE DID. Within 2 months of being in the RVD he had crowds chanting his name louder than most of the top superstars at that time. They really dropped the ball with RVD. He was beyond over, and they chose to keep him at the IC title. Just his work ethic, the way he worked out, the arial moves he would come up with, the way he sold moves(I.E. any DDT, Randy's RKO), and to top it all off HE WAS ONLY ON THE INJURED LIST FOR A LONG TIME ONE TIME...or maybe 2 at the most. Compare that to all these accident prone wrestlers nowadays, and they didn't do half the moves RVD did. First, ECW went bankrupt. WWE gave Paul Heyman a steady job and paycheck, the man who helmed the ECW you cling to. ECW produced horrible matches. Did they have unique and innovative spots, and some good matches? Sure, but for the majority, you can watch an ECW PPV and see a whole bunch of garbage. See, you talk about Van Dam being able to do all these different moves, but it's not WHAT you do in the ring but HOW you do it. Which is why Hulk Hogan was the most over wrestler in the world at his time. He knew how to work the crowd. He knew how and when to make his comeback. The same with Shawn Michaels, except that he can actually wrestle. That's why he's the best against big guys, he knows how to work those matches, bump like a pro, and make a comeback to excite the crowd. In a few years, people remember the overall matches more than they do the big spots. And he had two extended injuries, to keep track, one in ECW, and one in WWE. And just to make things even clearer, no one in the world screwed up Van Dam's chances more than Van Dam. They gave him the ECW Championship in the PERFECT atmosphere and moment, and even had planned an extended run with the gold. Hell, ECW probably wouldn't even be in the pit it's in right now if Van Dam was still around, but he got busted with pot. I don't care if you like to smoke or not, it was his own fault and he blew his big chance when it finally came. Again, I love Van Dam and he's a fantastic wrestler to watch, I just don't believe he's the most amazing wrestler to grace a ring like it seems everyone's making him out to be. You know why Michaels is a better wrestler than Van Dam? Michaels can pull a good match out of anyone, even Chris Masters. Michaels always steals the show. He knows how to work a match and keep it interesting and exciting. Van Dam does not have the charisma that Shawn Michaels has. Van Dam jumped around, pointed to himself, and chanted his initials. He had maybe two good promos in his entire WWE career, and you have to be able to talk on the mic to stay at the top in this business, whether you like the fact or not. Michaels has the ability to work in any environment and put on a classic, whether it be against a smaller wrestler like Mysterio, a bigger wrestler like Nash, in a street fight, in a HIAC, a wrestler like Kurt Angle, or an entertainer like John Cena. Van Dam does not have the ability to carry a wrestler to a good match, and that's crucial in this day and age.
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Post by fallenhero on Oct 27, 2007 2:33:10 GMT -5
Who compares to him as far as athleticism and excitement?
Shawn Michaels.
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Post by fallenhero on Oct 27, 2007 2:36:27 GMT -5
RVD was ECW. If it was still around (the real ECW) he would still be wrestling and still be entertaining crowds. But no, since WWE had to go and buy out ECW they brought RVD in, told him he couldn't use HALF of the moves he used in ECW, hardly gave him any mic time, didn't bring Alfonso..they wanted him to get over on raw talent alone. AND HE DID. Within 2 months of being in the RVD he had crowds chanting his name louder than most of the top superstars at that time. ...Moron. The real ECW wasn't going to survive. They were dead by the time WWE bought them. Dead, as in not running any more shows. RVD couldn't save them. Nobody could. At least know what you're talking about before you make stupid statements like that. RVD didn't get over on raw talent, he got over because he did flippity dees. He got over because he was charismatic as a mother er, and that made up for his lack of actual talent.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Oct 27, 2007 5:51:18 GMT -5
Shelton Benjamin or Brock Lesnar take it in my book
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