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Post by taker1 on Nov 28, 2007 21:15:39 GMT -5
Benoit did it. That's the bottom line. Anyone who refutes this fact is in denial.
BUT I don't hate Benoit any less than I did before this happened. I lost a ton of respect for Chris Benoit THE MAN, but not Chris Benoit THE WRESTLER. When I watch his old matches, I don't see a killer in the ring. I simply see a wrestler.
I'm able to differentiate Benoit the character from the real life person, and I still have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a wrestler and admire his in-ring abilities. He's one of the best of all time.
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Post by compton on Nov 28, 2007 21:30:52 GMT -5
Benoit did it. That's the bottom line. Anyone who refutes this fact is in denial. BUT I don't hate Benoit any less than I did before this happened. I lost a ton of respect for Chris Benoit THE MAN, but not Chris Benoit THE WRESTLER. When I watch his old matches, I don't see a killer in the ring. I simply see a wrestler. I'm able to differentiate Benoit the character from the real life person, and I still have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a wrestler and admire his in-ring abilities. He's one of the best of all time. Well, the problem is that Chris Benoit the man and Chris Benoit the wrestler are the same person.
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Post by taker1 on Nov 28, 2007 21:42:35 GMT -5
Benoit did it. That's the bottom line. Anyone who refutes this fact is in denial. BUT I don't hate Benoit any less than I did before this happened. I lost a ton of respect for Chris Benoit THE MAN, but not Chris Benoit THE WRESTLER. When I watch his old matches, I don't see a killer in the ring. I simply see a wrestler. I'm able to differentiate Benoit the character from the real life person, and I still have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a wrestler and admire his in-ring abilities. He's one of the best of all time. Well, the problem is that Chris Benoit the man and Chris Benoit the wrestler are the same person. Technically yes, obviously. But the way I see it is... Lets take Heidenreich. He threw The Undertaker in a hearse and rammed it with a truck, trying to kill him kayfabe. People look at that and just say " Oh but that's not real, it's just what's happening ON SCREEN. He's not really an evil person, it's just his character.." Well then shouldn't it work the other way around? What Heidenreich may do in real life is his real life, not his ON SCREEN CHARACTER. Heidi may have been a sick freak on TV, but a normal person in real life. What a wrestler does on screen never has a bearing on the way people look at the person in real life, so why should what a person does in a real life have a bearing on the way people look at the character? It works both ways. Benoit may have been a sicko in real life( which I don't think he was- he was obviously ed in the head to do what he did but that was only a few days out of his life..), but he was generally a normal person on screen. So yes while their is a real person behind the character, it's like they're two seperate people in a way..I don't look at benoit the wrestler, and Benoit the real person the same way.. I guess it's a bit easier to understand if it were somebody who didn't use their real name as their character name. Like if The Undertaker did this, I would lose almost all respect for Mark Calaway, but not for The Undertaker.
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Post by kanekilledvince on Nov 29, 2007 10:47:11 GMT -5
Well, the problem is that Chris Benoit the man and Chris Benoit the wrestler are the same person. Technically yes, obviously. But the way I see it is... Lets take Heidenreich. He threw The Undertaker in a hearse and rammed it with a truck, trying to kill him kayfabe. People look at that and just say " Oh but that's not real, it's just what's happening ON SCREEN. He's not really an evil person, it's just his character.." Well then shouldn't it work the other way around? What Heidenreich may do in real life is his real life, not his ON SCREEN CHARACTER. Heidi may have been a sick freak on TV, but a normal person in real life. What a wrestler does on screen never has a bearing on the way people look at the person in real life, so why should what a person does in a real life have a bearing on the way people look at the character? It works both ways. Benoit may have been a sicko in real life( which I don't think he was- he was obviously ed in the head to do what he did but that was only a few days out of his life..), but he was generally a normal person on screen. So yes while their is a real person behind the character, it's like they're two seperate people in a way..I don't look at benoit the wrestler, and Benoit the real person the same way.. I guess it's a bit easier to understand if it were somebody who didn't use their real name as their character name. Like if The Undertaker did this, I would lose almost all respect for Mark Calaway, but not for The Undertaker. Wrestling isn't reality- it's like a whole 'nother world. Vince McMahon could go on screen next week and talk about how the Twin Towers are still up and well..technically in wrestling world...the Twin Towers would still be up. Yes they're no longer there in reality, but in wrestling they would be.. You're wasting your time, T1. I've been saying the same thing since it happened and no one wants to listen. they just want to force their opinion down your throat and bash you for not thinking what they think. Benoit was a great man. We all make mistakes. His mistake was just made on a larger scale than the majority of ours. No sign of forced entry. Weird text messages sent to friends, telling them how to easily get in the house. Daniel and Nancy murdered, while Chris was hung. It all pretty much points to one thing. The Boogeyman! AWESOME!
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Nov 29, 2007 12:42:49 GMT -5
i agree with T1 100%....
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Post by compton on Nov 29, 2007 14:27:46 GMT -5
Technically yes, obviously. But the way I see it is... Lets take Heidenreich. He threw The Undertaker in a hearse and rammed it with a truck, trying to kill him kayfabe. People look at that and just say " Oh but that's not real, it's just what's happening ON SCREEN. He's not really an evil person, it's just his character.." Well then shouldn't it work the other way around? What Heidenreich may do in real life is his real life, not his ON SCREEN CHARACTER. Heidi may have been a sick freak on TV, but a normal person in real life. What a wrestler does on screen never has a bearing on the way people look at the person in real life, so why should what a person does in a real life have a bearing on the way people look at the character? It works both ways. Benoit may have been a sicko in real life( which I don't think he was- he was obviously ed in the head to do what he did but that was only a few days out of his life..), but he was generally a normal person on screen. So yes while their is a real person behind the character, it's like they're two seperate people in a way..I don't look at benoit the wrestler, and Benoit the real person the same way.. I guess it's a bit easier to understand if it were somebody who didn't use their real name as their character name. Like if The Undertaker did this, I would lose almost all respect for Mark Calaway, but not for The Undertaker. Wrestling isn't reality- it's like a whole 'nother world. Vince McMahon could go on screen next week and talk about how the Twin Towers are still up and well..technically in wrestling world...the Twin Towers would still be up. Yes they're no longer there in reality, but in wrestling they would be.. You're wasting your time, T1. I've been saying the same thing since it happened and no one wants to listen. they just want to force their opinion down your throat and bash you for not thinking what they think. Benoit was a great man. We all make mistakes. His mistake was just made on a larger scale than the majority of ours. AWESOME! Not once have I ever bashed Chris Benoit. To be honest, I never knew exactly what to feel about the whole situation so I decided to just let it go. I stopped talking about him and I never tried to defend him nor did I ever bash him. But the fact of the matter is that he killed his wife and his child. This kid was like, what, 8 years? I don't see how anyone could forgive that. I'm not bashing him or you, nor am I trying to force any opinion down anyone's throat -- mostly because I don't think I have one -- I'm just stating facts. And BTW, attempting to "kill" someone on TV in a storyline is worlds apart from killing two people in real life. There are serious flaws in your logic.
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Post by uzerx on Nov 29, 2007 14:44:12 GMT -5
A person can't physically hang you themselves. Chris did it, get over it.
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Post by snukaandtwilight on Nov 29, 2007 15:05:34 GMT -5
WWE was just trying to distance them selves from Benoit.
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Post by compton on Nov 30, 2007 21:44:47 GMT -5
A person can't physically hang you themselves. Chris did it, get over it. I stand corrected... THIS is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. (reference to something else I just posted here). If you honest believe that it is impossible for someone to hang someone else, then you are an idiot. I'm not saying that someone hung Benoit, I'm just saying that it is physically possible for one person to hang another.
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Post by CM Punk on Nov 30, 2007 21:48:12 GMT -5
I believe this could be a good possibility that the police need to look into ive done a lot I repeat Alot of reasearch! Women=Nancy Benoit Back in WCW days NANCY BENOIT WAS MARRIED To KEVIN SULLIVAN She Got devorced to Marrie Chris BENOIT TRUE! Kevin Sullivan Threats To KILL BENOIT in June Of 1997 Cause he's made he took his old wife! funny he dies 10 years later in the same month of june he would die Wrestlers Recall That, that is indeed TRUE tha Sullivan said that Benoit Defeats Sullivan In a Loser leaves WCW Match Sullivan Jealous of Benoit Cause he is going to win ECW Title Kevin Sullivan Also Upset That Benoit Had a Child With Nancy and He didnt Kevin Sullivan gets Mad Goes to Benoits House well He's At The Doctor He Murders Nancy After he gets in by being a old friend Ties Benoit up when he gets home with a Group of guys ("Possibly Paid") Tortures Benoit By Killing Wife and Child Kill's Daniel In front of Him making it look like he killed him Then they Hang benoit after They Use Clorofine to put him to sleep Put Some beer by him and Leave
Put the Pieces Together U Have a Possibility. A Possibility Im not acusing him The Story Line back In WCW was not just a story line it was a True Story line! They were really enemies
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Post by CM Punk on Nov 30, 2007 21:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by Thick Justice on Nov 30, 2007 22:16:18 GMT -5
The way I see it is this. I believe somewhere in the bible it says if your not in your right mind you can't be held accountable. It also says leave vengeance to god. The way I see it if he had the brain of an 80 year old with Altzeimers he was not in his right mind therefore I feel he wasn't and shouldn't be held responsible. He also showed signs of regret which probably means he felt so horrible he killed himself. I think if Benoit went to hell it was because he commited suicide not the murders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2007 23:51:18 GMT -5
One day we said "RIP" because he was a hero to some and an inspiration, and the next we said " Beniot" because we found out he was a piece of crap that killed an innocent child and his wife. No matter where his mind was at, it is unforgivable.
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Post by eso on Dec 1, 2007 2:47:53 GMT -5
i dont think he did it.. i thought he did at first, but the whole bible thing seem too much like he was setup.
theres been a lot of little clues pointing torwards a setup.. when i was watching this thing on cnn his dad was reading this thing from his journal where he even said he saw some type of high powered men coming to kill him and his family.
call me what you want, but i just dont believe he did it. and i was never a big benoit fan before anybody thinks i was.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Dec 1, 2007 4:17:06 GMT -5
when the RAW tribute was on, i was thinking that benoit was going home after cancelling his Vengance appearance, came home and found Nancy and daniel dead, and was too upset to go on living without them and killed himself.
because, before the homicide/suicide news was revealed, it was said on wwe.com that benoit was caring for nancy and daniel for being very sick. So yeah i thought he came home, or was at home, and they were dead or died, and proceded to kill himself.
i of course now know thats now how i happend though
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Post by flying-shorty on Dec 1, 2007 9:20:58 GMT -5
It wasnt a knee jerk reaction...remember they had the whole 3hr raw special celebrating his life (before they knew wot he had done) then when they realised what had happened they erased him from our memories! At the time I hoped it wasnt true, but im sure if the neurotic behaviour wasnt enough they wudda backed up their suspicions with DNA etc!
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Post by Flava Dave on Dec 1, 2007 9:41:39 GMT -5
A person can't physically hang you themselves. Chris did it, get over it. So all those executions in the past were really suicides?
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Post by compton on Dec 1, 2007 10:10:17 GMT -5
I love how some of the 13 WF members think they can do the Atlanta PD's job better than them based on some things they saw on TV Trust me, we don't know everything about the case and we never will. Police always with hold some clues from the public.
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Post by CM Punk on Dec 1, 2007 10:11:33 GMT -5
i dont think he did it.. i thought he did at first, but the whole bible thing seem too much like he was setup. theres been a lot of little clues pointing torwards a setup.. when i was watching this thing on cnn his dad was reading this thing from his journal where he even said he saw some type of high powered men coming to kill him and his family. call me what you want, but i just dont believe he did it. and i was never a big benoit fan before anybody thinks i was. I remember His dad on CNN talking about his journal and benoit did say that he felt someone was out their to get his family
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Post by Get A Rhythm™ on Dec 1, 2007 11:31:15 GMT -5
Were there no fingerprints on the bibles? That's one thing they could have done. Second of all, we will never know whether Benoit killed his family or didn't, but SOMEONE out there does know the real story because it was posted on Wikipedia.org hours before it hit the news.
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