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Post by dxfan13 on Jun 23, 2007 10:32:03 GMT -5
Do you guys think the meaning of a "heavyweight champion" is lost? What I mean is there are guys like AJ Styles and Rey Mysterio who yes i respect them and I'm a huge Rey fan, but shouldn't be near a "heavyweight" title. Even Chris Benoit is even considered a cruiserweight but still goes after "heavyweight" championships. Hell even Shawn Michaels could be considered a cruiserweight. Discuss
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Post by Joey Cush on Jun 23, 2007 10:33:49 GMT -5
When Rey was champion, didnt they stop calling the the heavyweight and just call it the World Championship?
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Post by Nineteen 90 on Jun 23, 2007 10:37:41 GMT -5
When Rey was champion, didnt they stop calling the the heavyweight and just call it the World Championship? I think they did eventually. Not straight away if I remember rightly... but then again, am not 100% sure. It is stupid a cruiserweight holding the heavyweight title. The cruiserweight title is like their version of the heavyweight title, if you get me. I think thats why they started saying "Cruiserweight Champion of the World" a few years back.. |
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Post by dxfan13 on Jun 23, 2007 10:39:15 GMT -5
When Rey was champion, didnt they stop calling the the heavyweight and just call it the World Championship? I think they did eventually. Not straight away if I remember rightly... but then again, am not 100% sure. It is stupid a cruiserweight holding the heavyweight title. The cruiserweight title is like their version of the heavyweight title, if you get me. I think thats why they started saying "Cruiserweight Champion of the World" a few years back.. yeah thats what i mean there should be strict divisions like the UFC |
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Post by taker1 on Jun 23, 2007 10:41:37 GMT -5
When Rey was champion, didnt they stop calling the the heavyweight and just call it the World Championship? I think they did eventually. Not straight away if I remember rightly... but then again, am not 100% sure. It is stupid a cruiserweight holding the heavyweight title. The cruiserweight title is like their version of the heavyweight title, if you get me. I think thats why they started saying "Cruiserweight Champion of the World" a few years back.. Who cares? Everybody knows the WWE/WHC aren't for just heavyweights, but for the " top dog", no matter how big that dog is. Heck, the only reason people complain is because of the name of the belt. They wouldn't have bitched if he won the WWE Championship. |
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Post by Lk™ on Jun 23, 2007 10:48:01 GMT -5
I don't even see how they can truly call it the "World" Championship, when it's pretty much only defended in America. I think they should cut a deal with NJPW or something and have Edge go over there for a short tour.
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Post by pero on Jun 23, 2007 10:50:28 GMT -5
I personally don't think it matters what weight you are. These days, anybody can be pushed towards and win the 'World Championship'
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Post by taker1 on Jun 23, 2007 10:51:16 GMT -5
I don't even see how they can truly call it the "World" Championship, when it's pretty much only defended in America. I think they should cut a deal with NJPW or something and have Edge go over there for a short tour. it's stupid, but face it--everybody does it. Why does MLB call it the " World" Series? There's a lot of things with world in the title that shouldn't be. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Jun 23, 2007 10:57:43 GMT -5
But honestly as other said, It doesnt really matter. I also feel that we have great talent who are small. Cruiserweight title is just a title for jobbers. Thats why like the Light hHavyweight Championship was also good back in the day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2007 11:05:09 GMT -5
"Heavyweight" Champ just means that you're the best of the best (at that point in time). It has nothing to do with weight classes. It's the ultimate prize for ALL wrestlers. There should be no restrictions.
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Post by Heresy on Jun 23, 2007 11:06:46 GMT -5
I think they did eventually. Not straight away if I remember rightly... but then again, am not 100% sure. It is stupid a cruiserweight holding the heavyweight title. The cruiserweight title is like their version of the heavyweight title, if you get me. I think thats why they started saying "Cruiserweight Champion of the World" a few years back.. yeah thats what i mean there should be strict divisions like the UFC Why should weight divisions in Pro Wrestling be relevant if their is no need for them? UFC has weight classes to insure fair fights and to prevent competitors from having distinct advantages over their opponents. What would be the point of weight classes in a performance-based (not a competition-based) industry? Especially when pro wrestlers aren't defined by their weight, but by their skill, drawing power and marketability. Let me put it this way... would you watch a WWE with Khali, Mark Henry, and Viscera running the show? Probably not... "Heavyweight" has always been a kayfabe term for main eventer... if it was taken literally, the WWE would be a much scarier place than it is today. |
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Post by dxfan13 on Jun 23, 2007 11:37:03 GMT -5
yeah thats what i mean there should be strict divisions like the UFC Why should weight divisions in Pro Wrestling be relevant if their is no need for them? UFC has weight classes to insure fair fights and to prevent competitors from having distinct advantages over their opponents. What would be the point of weight classes in a performance-based (not a competition-based) industry? Especially when pro wrestlers aren't defined by their weight, but by their skill, drawing power and marketability. Let me put it this way... would you watch a WWE with Khali, Mark Henry, and Viscera running the show? Probably not... "Heavyweight" has always been a kayfabe term for main eventer... if it was taken literally, the WWE would be a much scarier place than it is today. Ripper, I'm not trying to start an argument but who said the heavyweights have to be in the main event? the way I'm thinking is each division title heavyweight & cruiserweight would mean the same so a cruiserweight match could main event a pay per view or show whatever..........also i think making the divisions mean something would help get wwe a better name in the sports world....idk just a thought lk i too think the "world" title should be defended across the "world" it would give it alot more prestige |
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Post by Heresy on Jun 23, 2007 12:23:44 GMT -5
Strict weight divisions would eliminate an important aspect of wrestling... the wrestler's journey to the top. The beginning as a midcarder or tag team, the push to IC title, and eventually the World title. Greats like HBK, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, and the Rock climbed the corporate ladder this way...
So now take your weight divisions and think... where would a wrestler go after he won his weight division's title? Their would be no journey to the top... one title, one division, end of story. Where is the entertainment?
I get what you're saying on how it would make WWE seem more real... but weight divisions are only useful when the fighting is real, and character build-up isn't involved. Other things to consider... the elimination of squash matches, break-out stars, and the david vs. goliath scenario. Also, where would tag team wrestling fit in with weight divisions? Not the greatest idea when you really put it in perspective...
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Post by CBT on Jun 23, 2007 13:12:17 GMT -5
I don't even see how they can truly call it the "World" Championship, when it's pretty much only defended in America. I think they should cut a deal with NJPW or something and have Edge go over there for a short tour. Well actually for it to gain World Title prestige all that needs to be done is have it defend out of the country. No real specifcs other than that. Could be even just once. |
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jun 23, 2007 13:15:45 GMT -5
I don't even see how they can truly call it the "World" Championship, when it's pretty much only defended in America. I think they should cut a deal with NJPW or something and have Edge go over there for a short tour. Well actually for it to gain World Title prestige all that needs to be done is have it defend out of the country. No real specifcs other than that. Could be even just once. Which we all know has been done...because Canada is technically another country, and not just a really big 51st state as some people would have you believe.  |
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Post by Stevo on Jun 23, 2007 13:19:13 GMT -5
The greatest heavyweight champions of all time were usually under 270 pounds. A guy like Rey Mysterio is going a little far for a "heavyweight" champion, but guys like Benoit, Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Shawn Michaels, Jericho, Bret Hart, and Eddie Guerrero were all amazing wrestlers and champions who deserve the heavyweight title more than the average steroid-pumping 300 pounder.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 23, 2007 15:13:50 GMT -5
It's been pointed out here numerous times that even in sports that have weight classes you can challenge above your weight class, but not below it. And why in the world would it have to be defended all over the world to have credibility? Back in the day when there were numerous territories, each one had their version of the "World Title".
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