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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 23, 2007 21:30:58 GMT -5
I agree that the IC Title don't mean **** anymore but what WWE Title really does? With that said, you don't have to go to the main event to be a good IC Champion, you just have to be able to put on classic matches that people will remember. Mr. Perfect, Razor Ramon, & Rick Rude never won any world titles but they still left their mark. I think guys like Hardy, Nitro, & Benjamin are just fine in the IC division it's people like Santino Marella holding it that annoys me. The IC Title isn't what it once was. It use to mean so much to making people not just into main eventers but stars. Now it's just tossed on whoever WWE wants to toss it on. Just like the tag titles, the IC title is a joke. Savage & Steamboat should be ashamed at what it's become. Perfect and Razor would've got their shot at the top if they didn't have so many personal problems. You could tell they were future main eventers. Rude got a brief chance to main event against Warrior. My problem with guys like Hardy, Nitro and Benjamin is that you know they're never going to get above that level no matter what they do. Hardy is a spot monkey and is too small. Benjamin lacks charisma. Nitro lacks that certain "it" factor. All of them strike me as guys who should be feuding with someone on their way to the main title, but not winning the belt. Well theres plenty of guys on the indys that can fill that spot but WWE is all about "it's own creations". CM Punk would fit perfect, it's obvious he's gonna be a star some day and could really be pushed hard as IC Champion. Same can be said if WWE were to hire someone like Danielson. WWE is now using the ECW Title much like the IC title. It was used to push Lashley to the main event and in the future it'll be used to push guys like Punk, Cor Von, & Burke. WWE has way too many titles right now and thats why ones like the IC Title don't mean jack ****. The ECW Title has now become WWE's way of pushing people to the main event.
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Post by Icon on Jun 23, 2007 21:43:02 GMT -5
The IC championship lost it's luster as the WWE was transitioning the classic IC belt to the belt we currently see today.
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Post by Stevo on Jun 23, 2007 21:53:24 GMT -5
I actually liked it when they brought it back in 2003. There was a definite mid-card division and it was great to see guys like Christian, Booker T, and Rob Van Dam get it because you knew they would go on to do greater things. I think it really died at Orton's reign. He wasn't bad, but it just didn't seem as big, especially since his feud with Mick Foley was more about his "Legend Killer" gimmick and less about his title. It hasn't picked up since then.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 23, 2007 22:00:05 GMT -5
i hope they fire santino. what a bore.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 23, 2007 22:16:03 GMT -5
To me there should be two type of guys in the IC division - those who are on the way to the top, and those who are going to be mired in the mid-card forever. The former are the ones who should be wearing the belt and the latter should feud with the former, but nothing more.
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Post by skribbel24 on Jun 23, 2007 22:39:54 GMT -5
I just don't think the IC belt should be with Santino.
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Post by Nineteen 90 on Jun 24, 2007 5:33:06 GMT -5
It's not defended/paraded enough, thats all.
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Post by taker1 on Jun 24, 2007 7:23:06 GMT -5
Yeah the US Title is definitely more prestigious. Look at its' lineage since coming back:
Eddie Guerrero ----Big Show----John Cena---Booker T---John Cena---Carlito---John Cena---Orlando Jordan---Chris Benoit---Booker T----Booker T---Chris Benoit---JBL----Bobby Lashley---Finlay----Mr. Kennedy---Chris Benoit----MVP
There have been so many great champions since it's been brought back, and so many good matches, specifically these Benoit/MVP matches. Not to mention the US Title has more history to it, spanning several companies including my favorite WCW.
The IC Title has gotten especially worse lately. Between Umaga not defending it and having " a fan" win it..
Here's something interesting: Since the US Title returned on Smackodown, 4 out of the 10 title holders have gone on to win a World title for the first time in WWE, and an additional 2/10 went on to hold a World Title( not their first). That number is only 3/12 for the IC belt.
And lets not forget that Mr. Kennedy WILL be a World Champion eventually and the jury is out for MVP.
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Post by cjd15 on Jun 24, 2007 8:06:55 GMT -5
I think Michaels should go for the IC belt when he returns and have a ladder match feud with hardy for it at mania, a WRESTLEMANIA 10 Ladder match remake.
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Post by Heresy on Jun 24, 2007 8:08:06 GMT -5
All the titles have lost significant meaning, imo.
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Post by deskjet on Jun 24, 2007 8:10:49 GMT -5
All the titles have lost significant meaning, imo. LOL, we agree again. And they have for awhile...when i cant off the top of my head think who the champions are, sans CENA which is always a given, then there's something wrong.
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Post by Heresy on Jun 24, 2007 8:41:07 GMT -5
All the titles have lost significant meaning, imo. LOL, we agree again. And they have for awhile...when i cant off the top of my head think who the champions are, sans CENA which is always a given, then there's something wrong. The planets must be in alignment! And yeah, I think it's due to the fact that there are just too many titles. 9 titles and 11 title holders is far too many for a wrestling promotion. Titles are like pieces of a pie... the more slices, the smaller the pieces and with wrestling titles, the smaller the importance. The titles have been relegated to the importance of 'placeholders' these days.
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Post by laythvandam on Jun 24, 2007 8:46:43 GMT -5
I think the US title is the only belt with any sort of honour, I think that title is for the better workers, it seems that way when you had Benoit Guerrero and Finlay winning it and passing it on to bright prospects.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 8:58:35 GMT -5
I think Michaels should go for the IC belt when he returns and have a ladder match feud with hardy for it at mania, a WRESTLEMANIA 10 Ladder match remake. I would so in order Wrestlemania, just for that match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2007 9:01:06 GMT -5
The Crusierweight Division is dead also. Who do they have now Chavo Jimmy Wang Yang Shannon Moore ? IS wwe really stupid enough to throw Kenny into the cruiser division when he can do much more?
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Post by clarkey1990 on Jun 24, 2007 9:05:09 GMT -5
I think the problem lies in there being three seperate rosters. When guys like Savage and Mr.Perfect held the IC title they had the pick pick of wwf superstars to feud with. If the three rosters where brought back together and just have tag cruiserweight IC and WWE champs, the IC tiltle along with every other title would regain its value. Think of the superstars then in the IC division, M.V.P UMAGA MASTERS HARDY'S FINLAY CM PUNK BENOIT NITRO RVD and then youd get some main eventers droping down like MICHAELS BOOKER T(get rid of the king) possibly either EDGE ORTON or KENNEDY. Raw and Smackdown was in need of superstars before ecw came along, so what a stupid idea to bring ecw in. But the problem is the more brands wwe has the money $$$ they bring in. So basically they've sold there soul. Anyone agree.
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Post by MadDogJoe on Jun 24, 2007 10:00:01 GMT -5
well um
yes
yes it has
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jun 24, 2007 12:03:42 GMT -5
All of the WWE championships have lost their prestige except for SmackDown!'s Heavyweight title. The I.C title became nothing when Marrella won it.
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Jun 24, 2007 13:09:53 GMT -5
A little jewelry cleaner might help.
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Post by TheBigThing on Jun 24, 2007 13:35:19 GMT -5
I believe Umaga was given the belt, largely to make him look strong to the media and general audience going into the Billionaire vs. Billionaire match because of Lashley holding a title at the time.
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