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Post by Mark on Jun 26, 2007 20:43:57 GMT -5
Correct me if Im wrong but Dind Benoit have his neck repaired thus the roids?
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Post by Graze on Jun 26, 2007 20:44:17 GMT -5
Maybe it was recommended by a doctor, I have heard children being on meds to make them bigger Yeah, but it has been reported on wrestlezone.com as "shocking", meaning that it was indeed steroids. Your right, some doctors do recommend growth meds, but it is very risksy because as the child matures it leaves a chance of having heart attacks. This is why most parents don't put children on meds such as growth hormones and ritalin. Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jun 26, 2007 20:51:33 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Vince makes some people Do steroids. after Vince isn't owner anymore, I wonder if Shane/Steph will make people do that. I say Steph would be all for them because she's all for everything else wrong with the wrestling business. Shane probably wouldn't care, but I don't think he would encourage them. However it's been said many of times that Steph will have the most control over the company, not Shane.
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Post by MARK-ISM on Jun 26, 2007 20:58:05 GMT -5
From what I've heard, Vince makes some people Do steroids. after Vince isn't owner anymore, I wonder if Shane/Steph will make people do that. thats not entirely true. a guy who used to wrestle around here, used to send tapes to wwe quite often, hoping to get a tryout. everytime he talked to Tommy Dreamer, he was told to "get bigger". Now that could come down from Vince, Steph, Johnny Ace or someone else, but yes, the WWE does like their guys to "look the part"
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Post by straightegde570 on Jun 26, 2007 20:58:33 GMT -5
Its sad that u need steroids to get to the top in some cases. wich is horrible.
thats why one of my heros is cm punk. u can tell he dosent do steroids. he dosent have a massive 6 pack or ripped bicepts. hell he dosent do anything(drugs). He cracked his skull open and refused pain meds. thats hardcore. and if it isnt i dont know what is. And he made it to wwe.
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Post by taihyll on Jun 26, 2007 21:03:05 GMT -5
ya wont here about CM Punk killing off his family. BTW all drugs, good AND bad are terrible for your liver, same with alcohol too, obviously.
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Post by straightegde570 on Jun 26, 2007 21:08:29 GMT -5
ya wont here about CM Punk killing off his family. BTW all drugs, good AND bad are terrible for your liver, same with alcohol too, obviously. exactly. thats why i havent taken medicene for anything in over 4 years now.
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 26, 2007 21:23:04 GMT -5
ya wont here about CM Punk killing off his family. BTW all drugs, good AND bad are terrible for your liver, same with alcohol too, obviously. exactly. thats why i havent taken medicene for anything in over 4 years now. I just took some Tums, rebel I am... Anyway's I'll let you all in on a story in regards to the persons above where Dreamer told a wrestler he needed to get bigger. My cousin was pretty damn good a football in the mid-90's, and he was looking at colleges to pay D line for. Now one particular ACC team had expressed interest in him but they told him they would give him a partial scholarship if he could "get bigger", he didn't really understand and they told him that he needed to jsut "get bigger" Of course the recruiter meant he needed to use steroids, my uncle forbode my cousin from going there and actually my cousin would recieve a full scholarship to play football at a near Ivy League school. But anyways the whole "need to get bigger" seems like it's been an informal code for years.
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Post by MARK-ISM on Jun 26, 2007 21:43:57 GMT -5
exactly. thats why i havent taken medicene for anything in over 4 years now. I just took some Tums, rebel I am... Anyway's I'll let you all in on a story in regards to the persons above where Dreamer told a wrestler he needed to get bigger. My cousin was pretty damn good a football in the mid-90's, and he was looking at colleges to pay D line for. Now one particular ACC team had expressed interest in him but they told him they would give him a partial scholarship if he could "get bigger", he didn't really understand and they told him that he needed to jsut "get bigger" Of course the recruiter meant he needed to use steroids, my uncle forbode my cousin from going there and actually my cousin would recieve a full scholarship to play football at a near Ivy League school. But anyways the whole "need to get bigger" seems like it's been an informal code for years. Im sure it has been. I know my friend, who I was talking about, is only about 5' 10" or so. He could realistically on get to about as big as he was & that was about 205 lbs. What did the WWE want from the guy, 220, 230 lbs. And really that was the only thing they told him, as he had th emoves, manerisms. Getting to the subject, the fans cant do anything about it really. I think, its time for WWE to look at its practices as it pertains to its performers. They are the ones who want "larger than life characters". Maybe they need to look at it from a well being standpoint, not just of guys dying at record pace, but now look at it from a mental health point of view
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 26, 2007 21:54:58 GMT -5
I just took some Tums, rebel I am... Anyway's I'll let you all in on a story in regards to the persons above where Dreamer told a wrestler he needed to get bigger. My cousin was pretty damn good a football in the mid-90's, and he was looking at colleges to pay D line for. Now one particular ACC team had expressed interest in him but they told him they would give him a partial scholarship if he could "get bigger", he didn't really understand and they told him that he needed to jsut "get bigger" Of course the recruiter meant he needed to use steroids, my uncle forbode my cousin from going there and actually my cousin would recieve a full scholarship to play football at a near Ivy League school. But anyways the whole "need to get bigger" seems like it's been an informal code for years. Im sure it has been. I know my friend, who I was talking about, is only about 5' 10" or so. He could realistically on get to about as big as he was & that was about 205 lbs. What did the WWE want from the guy, 220, 230 lbs. And really that was the only thing they told him, as he had th emoves, manerisms. Getting to the subject, the fans cant do anything about it really. I think, its time for WWE to look at its practices as it pertains to its performers. They are the ones who want "larger than life characters". Maybe they need to look at it from a well being standpoint, not just of guys dying at record pace, but now look at it from a mental health point of view I'll be hoenst this is one area where TNA excels, you got guys like Samoa Joe, and smaller guys who usually wouldn't fit the wrestler mold. I mean when I think about it there are only a few guys on that roster jakked out of there mind,a nd it seems to be by choice. I mean I don't think wrestlers need to be Scott Steiner love children to look good in the ring, case and point guys like Alex Shelley and Eric Young (my too favorite TNA wrestlers) seem to be in great shape but at the same time they wouldn't really stick out of a crowd.
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Post by MARK-ISM on Jun 26, 2007 22:12:25 GMT -5
I'll agree with that. The only guys on the TNA roster who as you put it are "Scott Steiner love children" are The Bashams, & Tomko. Other than that, I cant think of one guy, there who is "on the gas".
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Post by carlito24uk on Jun 26, 2007 22:29:51 GMT -5
i only just saw wwe.com
they got a whole little report on how steroids arnt to blame
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Post by carlito24uk on Jun 26, 2007 22:55:42 GMT -5
i hate how ignorant news reporters are on wrestling and roids etc
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Post by Lk™ on Jun 26, 2007 22:56:24 GMT -5
WWE needs to just gut half of their roster, and go for a new brand image.
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Post by taker1 on Jun 26, 2007 23:32:18 GMT -5
This whole Bneoit fiasco has really opened floodgates for the steroids in wrestling debate. I was surprised how WWE kind of weaseled their way by the issue after Eddie's death, they came up with some BS testing policy but clearly it wasn't effective. So where does this leave us now? We as fans need to demand more out of the WWE. Wrestlers do not have to fit a mold anymore, and alot of us say the WWE doesn't understand this, but I think first we fans must get behind this idea. I see people constantly making remarks about Murdoch, or Umagas wait as if it negatively impacts them. When guys like JBL, HHH and Edge arent' as cut as they once were fans get on them for it. To break down this meathead image of wrestling we need to start with ourselves. Don't get me wrong, I mean wrestlers can look jakked without using roids, I'm sure there are a whole slew of guys in the WWE who are just that. But there are also guys who for what ever reason be it pressure from the industry or company put this crap in their bodies. Honestly I always thought Benoit was a naturally built guy, he didn't have that fake watered down muscle look to him. I knew a guy in highschool who was all natural, didn't even use creatin who had a similar build. But this has taught me that we can't just pick out a guy based off of character or build. What I'm saying is changes need to be made now, and those changes start with what the fans demand. I agree. There's nothing more annoying than hearing the constant " Triple H/Edge is a fatass" comment. They're still in good shape and great wrestlers.
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Post by inrogers29 on Jun 27, 2007 0:59:37 GMT -5
i hate how ignorant news reporters are on wrestling and roids etc I love how there like... "He killed his wife, and son, BUT BAW GAWD THE WWE AND TEH STEROIDS AND THE WRESTLING CAUSES EARLY DEATHS" IT WAS A ING MURDER SCENE PEOPLE! Use some other time to bash wrestling cause you dont like it.
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Post by sincityhero on Jun 27, 2007 1:00:37 GMT -5
WWE needs to just gut half of their roster, and go for a new brand image. Didnt they do this in the early 90s?
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Post by robvandammit on Jun 27, 2007 3:12:41 GMT -5
i think the wwe needs to get a union for wrestlers , piont being because of the use of the roids and everything else with the constant stress to get the "push" and not always have to worry about your job security , look at it this way most wrestlers spend any were from 4,000- 6,000 of there hard earned money just for the training not to mention all the years of paying your dues HOPING for that ONE SHOT! and once you get there the stress of wrestling every day spending 4 hours in the gym when your body is aching so bad you can't even take a sleep right !!!
all because of a dream to become a larger than life super hero, and live up to the standards of the golden age of wrestling where vince mcmahon is suck and don't truely give a dawm about others he just wants his millions paying not to great money to most wrestlers witch makes them seem to have the need to use to get up the ladder! if anything wwe and vince mcmahon are enablers banking on the sweat and well being of others treating wrestlers like slaves it's not right !!!!
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Post by Fury on Jun 27, 2007 3:46:28 GMT -5
I hate the debate of steroids in wrestling. Although many of the wrestlers deaths are steroid related, hopefully it just sends a message to young people not to get into those things.
Look at Edge, who may well be the best all round wrestler in the US today, he may also be one of the scrawniest. You don't really need steroids to be a good wrestler, although many of the wrestlers have used steroids in the past there are many who don't look in phenomenal shape who are some of the best in the ring.
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Post by flying-shorty on Jun 27, 2007 4:42:08 GMT -5
Yea i mean a debatable reason why the likes of eddie and benoit are dead now is because without the roids they wudnt have gotten past the midcard. I think its always gonna be hard when the leader of the company is pretty jacked up anyway. The daft thing about all this is usually the big guys cant wrestler for sh*t anyway. Its always gonna be a problem because theres no outside body organising the wellness program. Its not really the same but I was on steroids not the anabolic kind, regular steroids for an illness and depending on ur dose it made me depressed, tired and really angry. It cant be good for u watever...
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