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Post by carly1988 on Jun 22, 2008 12:29:23 GMT -5
Stunning Steve>Stone Cold
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 22, 2008 12:39:58 GMT -5
Like someone already referenced, it has nothing to do with today's crowd or anything really deep, he's just overexposed like Mick Foley. When you make a "surprise appearance" 5 times a year it stops being so surprising and exciting. It's not that Austins popularity has diminished or that other wrestlers are stealing his thunder (only 4 posts in until John Cena was blamed) its that Austin has been on our TV alot for a retired wrestler, the same way Mick Foley lost reactions because he was over exposed after retiring. Austin would need to take at least a 2 year hiatus from the WWE to get that reaction again, fans just aren't clammering to see him anymore because they see him enough. If someone like the Rock made a surprise appearance then people would crap themselves because of how rare it is, it's got nothing to do with diminishing popularity.
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Post by ihavethepower on Jun 22, 2008 12:41:26 GMT -5
Stunning Steve>Stone Cold Just about every mega-star used to be able to wrestle before they found their niche and became the top guys in their company. Here is a small list of who were great workers that became 5-6 move wrestlers when they became the main event. Rocky Maivia>The Rock Hulk Hogan Japan>Hulk Hogan US Stunning Steve Austin>Stone Cold John Cena debut>John Cena current
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 22, 2008 12:42:29 GMT -5
Stunning Steve>Stone Cold ^^^^^^ Trying to show everyone that he had seen an Austin match prior to his Stone Cold gimmick... Awesome, but Steve Williams is boring as hell, whether he's the Ring Master, a Hollywood Blonde, or Stunning. Stone Cold is entertaining because of his character, without it Austin would have been pretty damn generic.
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Post by Iron Man on Jun 22, 2008 12:44:35 GMT -5
Stunning Steve>Stone Cold Meh, you just say that because it was WCW and isn't WWF. WWF/WWE > NWA/WCW.
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Post by ihavethepower on Jun 22, 2008 12:47:28 GMT -5
Like someone already referenced, it has nothing to do with today's crowd or anything really deep, he's just overexposed like Mick Foley. When you make a "surprise appearance" 5 times a year it stops being so surprising and exciting. It's not that Austins popularity has diminished or that other wrestlers are stealing his thunder (only 4 posts in until John Cena was blamed) its that Austin has been on our TV alot for a retired wrestler, the same way Mick Foley lost reactions because he was over exposed after retiring. Austin would need to take at least a 2 year hiatus from the WWE to get that reaction again, fans just aren't clammering to see him anymore because they see him enough. If someone like the Rock made a surprise appearance then people would crap themselves because of how rare it is, it's got nothing to do with diminishing popularity. This "defense" holds no water. To say that they react to him less because they see him more often would mean that HHH, Cena, Orton, hardy, or anyone else that the crowd sees EVERY week, would get little to no reaction. Austin's routine is so predictable that it's boring. If you're saying that the crowd is expecting to see him, then that would mean that there is a built in anticipation for him. The only reason they wouldn't react to him with built up anticipation, is if he lost popularity and they just didn't care that he was coming out. So it still boils down him losing popularity.
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Post by scoobypat on Jun 22, 2008 12:53:26 GMT -5
Like someone already referenced, it has nothing to do with today's crowd or anything really deep, he's just overexposed like Mick Foley. When you make a "surprise appearance" 5 times a year it stops being so surprising and exciting. It's not that Austins popularity has diminished or that other wrestlers are stealing his thunder (only 4 posts in until John Cena was blamed) its that Austin has been on our TV alot for a retired wrestler, the same way Mick Foley lost reactions because he was over exposed after retiring. Austin would need to take at least a 2 year hiatus from the WWE to get that reaction again, fans just aren't clammering to see him anymore because they see him enough. If someone like the Rock made a surprise appearance then people would crap themselves because of how rare it is, it's got nothing to do with diminishing popularity. This "defense" holds no water. To say that they react to him less because they see him more often would mean that HHH, Cena, Orton, hardy, or anyone else that the crowd sees EVERY week, would get little to no reaction. Austin's routine is so predictable that it's boring. If you're saying that the crowd is expecting to see him, then that would mean that there is a built in anticipation for him. The only reason they wouldn't react to him with built up anticipation, is if he lost popularity and they just didn't care that he was coming out. So it still boils down him losing popularity. They are not retired though, it is a completly different thing. The fact that Austin is retired is what makes his routine predictable, you know he's not going to wrestle, you know he's coming back for only one night, you know what he's going to say. It's the same with every wrestler who does this, when Mick Foley retired it was only like another month before he started appearing on TV again, hardly a digestion period. When a person retires people invest alot of emotional energy into it, when they show up a week later it's pretty anti-climactic. If Ric Flair started showing up on Raw now people would probably give him a flat reaction after the first few times, there needs to be time to digest the retiring. Active wrestlers are not in the same boat.
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Post by Lewscher on Jun 22, 2008 14:12:41 GMT -5
Austin used to be pretty much the most popular guy in wrestling at that time. Now he isn't as well known, probably because WWE is appealing to such a younger generation, when half of the WWE fans now wern't even born when Austin was huge. I hate that. It seems that the kids these days is to cheer for the mighty John Cena (Sarcasm). its cause cenas a chav and/or thug and thats what the younger generation is gowing into.. btw i h8 the chav way of life, im grunge hardcorelws
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Post by WalterF on Jun 22, 2008 15:32:53 GMT -5
First off, Austin was the MOST popular wrestler in the MOST popular era of wrestling. The combination equaled problably the biggest pops you will ever hear in wrestling. Today you can be the most over wrestling in the universe and the pop still wouldn't sound anything as big as a 1998 or 1999 Austin pop. Between the decline in Austin's opularity and decline in wrestlings popularity, it should be expected.
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Post by Mark on Jun 22, 2008 15:34:44 GMT -5
he came back so much people were like "gah"
and to say austin was mediocre is so stupid, you should slap yourself
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Post by TGTD 2.0 on Jun 22, 2008 17:10:34 GMT -5
First and foremost Austin's reactions may have died down partly due to the fact that when he returns we all know it's not to start an angle leading to a match. Sadly his body will allow 1 more match tops which most of us want at this point. If we knew he was coming out to start a feud leading to a match and/or series of matches his reaction would likely be larger.
As far as people saying Austin and Hogan couldn't work, we bad in the ring in such is somewhat BS. I am NOT a fan of Hogan at all but during his major run and during Austin's run neither one of them HAD to work. They had the psychology to have a have a crowd eating out of the palm of their hands. Was Austin a better worker than Hogan? Yes of course he was but like I said he didn't need to utilize that because all the fans wanted during that time was brawl, kick, stunner and the man delivered.
Also to Austins defense he did show how much he could work his ass off during the matches with Bret as well as his matches with Beniot in late 2000 while Steve was feuding with Hunter.
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