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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 27, 2008 6:48:31 GMT -5
Avoid Community Colleges at all cost, it's a big mistake, especially if you'd end up living at home. Not worth it. If your parents apply for a Parent Plus loan, and then get rejected, it makes u elligible for an unsubsidized stafford loan up to 4000 i think, and the subsidized (which ur elligible for anyway) its like 3500 max, so u can get both of those, if u parents apply and get turned down, but they have to apply Isn't worth the thousands you save over going to state college or private university? Really? Because good luck paying for for years of school with $7500, especially if you plan on living in a dorm/apartment. You can get just as good of an education at community colleges, and in some cases, it can even be better. Taking your core classes at a community college makes the most economical sense, if you are worried about finances. Agreed completely. Speaking as someone who's been out of college for 6-8 years I can attest to the fact that employers are far more interested in your job experience than your college degree. Especially when it comes to the graphics design field a nice looking portfolio of really professional looking work can go a whole lot farther than a degree. Plus, where you got the degree doesn't really matter. I haven't had a single job offer thrown at me based on what degree I had. You might also look at auditing classes. You don't get the credit, but you get a cheap education. A quick search found this on Maine's community colleges - advantageu.me.edu/index.html. Have to go to work so I don't have time to look at it in depth to see if it's got any good info or not.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 27, 2008 12:22:52 GMT -5
I highly recommend going to community college to get you're gen ed's out of the way. I now go to a private art school, & it would of costed me around an extra $15,000 just to go to my art school for the same classes. Money was an issue for me so that was a big relief.
If getting loans is a problem, financial advisors at you're college are a huge help. They will do anything for you, because they want to get you're money. It makes them sound like whores, but they are really good. Geting you're own loans (if you go in that direction) helps you establish credit for the future.
Also, I know it sounds like you don't want to leave you're "comfort zone" to go away to school, but if that is where the education is, you should STRONGLY consider it. I felt that way too & got very lucky to have such a great art school in Chicago. I was looking at schools in Cali but changed my mind. Don't be afraid to take a chance. At least you will know you gave it a shot.
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Post by J12 on Jun 27, 2008 14:49:09 GMT -5
I highly recommend going to community college to get you're gen ed's out of the way. I now go to a private art school, & it would of costed me around an extra $15,000 just to go to my art school for the same classes. Money was an issue for me so that was a big relief. If getting loans is a problem, financial advisors at you're college are a huge help. They will do anything for you, because they want to get you're money. It makes them sound like whores, but they are really good. Geting you're own loans (if you go in that direction) helps you establish credit for the future. Also, I know it sounds like you don't want to leave you're "comfort zone" to go away to school, but if that is where the education is, you should STRONGLY consider it. I felt that way too & got very lucky to have such a great art school in Chicago. I was looking at schools in Cali but changed my mind. Don't be afraid to take a chance. At least you will know you gave it a shot. Actually, the school I'm going to is about three hours away, its a huge change of scenery and definitely very different from home. Massachusetts is a big change from Maine, to be honest. Thank you to those who have offered advice thus far, I'm looking into some further loan options and I may have figured things out. I also got an invoice from the school today and with my Stafford loan and some grants, my first semester payment isn't nearly as big as we expected it to be. Now its just a matter of finding out whether I can borrow by semester rather than year.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 27, 2008 17:24:07 GMT -5
I highly recommend going to community college to get you're gen ed's out of the way. I now go to a private art school, & it would of costed me around an extra $15,000 just to go to my art school for the same classes. Money was an issue for me so that was a big relief. If getting loans is a problem, financial advisors at you're college are a huge help. They will do anything for you, because they want to get you're money. It makes them sound like whores, but they are really good. Geting you're own loans (if you go in that direction) helps you establish credit for the future. Also, I know it sounds like you don't want to leave you're "comfort zone" to go away to school, but if that is where the education is, you should STRONGLY consider it. I felt that way too & got very lucky to have such a great art school in Chicago. I was looking at schools in Cali but changed my mind. Don't be afraid to take a chance. At least you will know you gave it a shot. Actually, the school I'm going to is about three hours away, its a huge change of scenery and definitely very different from home. Massachusetts is a big change from Maine, to be honest. Thank you to those who have offered advice thus far, I'm looking into some further loan options and I may have figured things out. I also got an invoice from the school today and with my Stafford loan and some grants, my first semester payment isn't nearly as big as we expected it to be. Now its just a matter of finding out whether I can borrow by semester rather than year. I truely and honestly would beg you not to go the borrowing route. The average student graduates about $20k in debt nowadays. I know people who are in their late 40's and early 50's who are still paying off student loans that have hung around and haunted them. I know a girl who is stuck in a job she hates because she can't find one that will pay enough money to make her student loan payment. Student loans are also non-bankruptable in almost all cases so they little follow you around until you die or become disabled. There are programs that offer loan forgiveness, but none that I'm aware of in graphics art.
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Post by Get A Rhythm™ on Jun 27, 2008 20:04:50 GMT -5
I'm guessing you're attending AIB? My cousin attends there, so I chill there a lot, and you're right, it's expensive.
Maybe your parents should have paid their bills on time and you wouldn't be in this predicament?
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Post by Get A Rhythm™ on Jun 27, 2008 20:08:09 GMT -5
You should have applied at Mount Ida College in Newton, MA, which isn't far from Boston -- 10 to 15 min. T ride, and we're very close to the station. The graphics program there is awesome. I would know because I'm going to be a junior. It's a small, private school, and you'd probably get a lot of scholarships from them. I did. I'm probably going to walk away senior year with $21k in loans.
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Jun 27, 2008 20:31:52 GMT -5
Do some CLEP testing as well. Get credits without having to waste time in classes.
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Post by LeighD on Jun 28, 2008 5:51:57 GMT -5
Your best bet is to go and talk to a representative at your college's Financial Aid Office. Tell them everything about your financial status. They have so many connections it'll probably make your head spin. Some places even set financial planning for such cases.
People are somewhat correct about community schools, but it depends on the school as to whether they'll accept the credits or not. I attended a state University and they only wanted (for the most part) their students to have completed university level courses. However, if you're already enrolled, there is no point in trying to enroll into a community college.
Some helpful tips to cut corners: - Visit a lot of books websites (half.com, amazon.com, EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED) as you might be able to find books cheaper and you can make some money back at the end of the semester - Think about being an RA (Residential Adviser) as you get free room & board! - Pick a small part-time job to help earn some money throughout the year - Summer jobs can be a great course of cash - If possible, maybe commute. Sorry just read the 3 hour travel distance - Loan Interest is tax deductible - Pay a little on your loans every month throughout college years to help keep the loan from ballooning from interest.
Things I would suggest avoiding: - Going to a company you may want to work for post-college and talking turkey. While it does sound great and they may pay for part of your education, are you ready to commit yourself to X number of years before you even enter college?! That is a big decision. Plus you may completely change your major, school, where you want to live, etc. 4 years is a long time and much can and will change. - Do not work yourself into the ground as you'll just become stressed out and burnt out. - Try not to borrow a lot as small loans here and there will really add up.
Remember part of college is the social aspect! My 4 years in college were the some of the best (if not the best) 4 years of my life! Enjoy college and have fun because once you graduate you'll miss it. I hope this has helped.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 28, 2008 7:56:12 GMT -5
After looking at what everyone else said, this is what I would do if I woke up in your shoes.
1. Start working full time this summer (if you aren't already) and scrape up every dime you can and squirrel it away. 2. Live at home and go to community college for 2 years to finish up gen ed requirements. Lots of college kids live at home and it's an obvious money saver. 3. Work part time during the school year and full time during the summers (and breaks too if you can pull that off). Again, I'd save up everything I could to pay for tuition. If your parents will give you any help and if you can find scholarships, grants or tuition re-imbursement from an employer these are bonuses. 4. After finishing up gen ed, look for an in-state university that has a graphics program (if that's still your interest.) The cool thing about gen ed is it exposes you to a lot of different fields. If that is still without question what you want to do when you grow up, go talk to employers. Working two years for someone is not a bad deal if they pay for your college for the other two. I know of a guy who joined the military so they would pay for his medical school. He hated the military, the discipline, and the way they did things, but he was willing to tolerate it for 4-6 years in order to get school paid for. Now he's in his early 30's, he's an ER doc, he's making tons of money and he can live higher on the hog than the other ER docs because he doesn't have $100k in loans following him around. He suffered short term to win long term. 5. Use the money you squirreled away while doing community college to pay cash for college tuition. At least to pay cash for whatever you can't get covered with scholarships, grants, employer, etc....
Seriously though in graphics design it's much more importan that you have talent and be able to do something than to have a degree. If I'm and employer and I'm looking for a graphics artist I want to see a portfolio of their work. I couldn't care less what training they have. I'm mildly interested in what software they can use. What I really want to know is if they can put together snazzy looking stuff. I want to see a nice portfolio.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2008 8:54:50 GMT -5
Avoid Community Colleges at all cost, it's a big mistake, especially if you'd end up living at home. Not worth it. If your parents apply for a Parent Plus loan, and then get rejected, it makes u elligible for an unsubsidized stafford loan up to 4000 i think, and the subsidized (which ur elligible for anyway) its like 3500 max, so u can get both of those, if u parents apply and get turned down, but they have to apply Thats not true. I saved a crapload of money and couldn't of dealt with Manhattan rent all these years on top of everything. There is nothing wrong with it if you come out with a great GPA and transfer to the school you want to go to. Hurts nothing but the other schools pockets as you pay them less.
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Post by J12 on Jun 28, 2008 9:29:38 GMT -5
Seriously though in graphics design it's much more importan that you have talent and be able to do something than to have a degree. If I'm and employer and I'm looking for a graphics artist I want to see a portfolio of their work. I couldn't care less what training they have. I'm mildly interested in what software they can use. What I really want to know is if they can put together snazzy looking stuff. I want to see a nice portfolio. Thankfully, I've built up a pretty decent portfolio as it is, so that will probably help out a bit. My school required me to submit a fairly substantial portfolio in order to get into the program to begin with. I had a lot of exposure in my high school, I designed the school's yearbook cover and several splashes inside the book itself, I've done promotional flyers for concerts and radio shows, and several graphics for relatively well known Maine bands, so I have a decent amount of work to show when the time comes. Again, thank you to everyone who was willing to offer advice, I wasn't expecting anything even near the response that I got.
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Post by BigDaddyChacon on Jun 28, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -5
Community College fro 2 years, then transfer to the closest university. Cut my tuition in half. Exactly.
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jun 29, 2008 16:59:21 GMT -5
Avoid Community Colleges at all cost, it's a big mistake, especially if you'd end up living at home. Not worth it. If your parents apply for a Parent Plus loan, and then get rejected, it makes u elligible for an unsubsidized stafford loan up to 4000 i think, and the subsidized (which ur elligible for anyway) its like 3500 max, so u can get both of those, if u parents apply and get turned down, but they have to apply Thats not true. I saved a ****load of money and couldn't of dealt with Manhattan rent all these years on top of everything. There is nothing wrong with it if you come out with a great GPA and transfer to the school you want to go to. Hurts nothing but the other schools pockets as you pay them less. They're called community colleges for a reason, they're just a small part of the community and aren't made up of any spectacular professors, just people who are allowed (not necessarily able) to teach courses, but rarely accomplish anything. Go to an accredited university if, for nothing else, a challenge. Why just go through the motions of Community College after high school like every else does? It's just an extension of high school and often u end up screwed simply because credits dont transfer, especially anything above intro. Plus, what you learn in core classes at acommunity college may not line up with what you need to know in preparation for advanced courses at another university, so ur 3rd year of school may end up being a nightmare because you dont actually have the information and education the school expects you to have from the community college. Also, Woodmo, i'd appreciate if you'd ya know...stop telling me my OPINION is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong, its doesn't work like that. I said i felt it wasn't worth it, and you tell me i'm wrong? That makes no sense what-so-ever
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 29, 2008 17:18:36 GMT -5
Thats not true. I saved a ****load of money and couldn't of dealt with Manhattan rent all these years on top of everything. There is nothing wrong with it if you come out with a great GPA and transfer to the school you want to go to. Hurts nothing but the other schools pockets as you pay them less. They're called community colleges for a reason, they're just a small part of the community and aren't made up of any spectacular professors, just people who are allowed (not necessarily able) to teach courses, but rarely accomplish anything. Go to an accredited university if, for nothing else, a challenge. Why just go through the motions of Community College after high school like every else does? It's just an extension of high school and often u end up screwed simply because credits dont transfer, especially anything above intro. Plus, what you learn in core classes at acommunity college may not line up with what you need to know in preparation for advanced courses at another university, so ur 3rd year of school may end up being a nightmare because you dont actually have the information and education the school expects you to have from the community college. Also, Woodmo, i'd appreciate if you'd ya know...stop telling me my OPINION is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong, its doesn't work like that. I said i felt it wasn't worth it, and you tell me i'm wrong? That makes no sense what-so-ever No, you are wrong. Some credits won't transfer that's why it's good to check with the school you're wanting to go to down the road to find out and take those classes. You have to take gen ed anyway. Why would you pay $300 a credit hour when you can pay $50? Some teachers at a community college are idiots but some teachers at the state colleges are idiots too. And yes, most community colleges are accredited. Going to a community college gives you virtually the same quality of education as a state college and saves you money (which is the point in going in the first place).
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jun 29, 2008 17:36:12 GMT -5
They're called community colleges for a reason, they're just a small part of the community and aren't made up of any spectacular professors, just people who are allowed (not necessarily able) to teach courses, but rarely accomplish anything. Go to an accredited university if, for nothing else, a challenge. Why just go through the motions of Community College after high school like every else does? It's just an extension of high school and often u end up screwed simply because credits dont transfer, especially anything above intro. Plus, what you learn in core classes at acommunity college may not line up with what you need to know in preparation for advanced courses at another university, so ur 3rd year of school may end up being a nightmare because you dont actually have the information and education the school expects you to have from the community college. Also, Woodmo, i'd appreciate if you'd ya know...stop telling me my OPINION is wrong. Opinions cannot be wrong, its doesn't work like that. I said i felt it wasn't worth it, and you tell me i'm wrong? That makes no sense what-so-ever No, you are wrong. Some credits won't transfer that's why it's good to check with the school you're wanting to go to down the road to find out and take those classes. You have to take gen ed anyway. Why would you pay $300 a credit hour when you can pay $50? Some teachers at a community college are idiots but some teachers at the state colleges are idiots too. And yes, most community colleges are accredited. Going to a community college gives you virtually the same quality of education as a state college and saves you money (which is the point in going in the first place). Wow, no one can civilly discuss anything anymore apparently....No, not all credits transfer. Kids get told 1 thing, take courses, and they end up not transferring. It happens all the time. And if you're full time at a major university, its not priced per credit hours, tuition is a fixed price and you can take anywhere fro m 12-18 credits. Seriously, i cant believe people on here have the balls to tell me an opinion is wrong. Thats complete bullcrap
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 29, 2008 18:01:15 GMT -5
No, you are wrong. Some credits won't transfer that's why it's good to check with the school you're wanting to go to down the road to find out and take those classes. You have to take gen ed anyway. Why would you pay $300 a credit hour when you can pay $50? Some teachers at a community college are idiots but some teachers at the state colleges are idiots too. And yes, most community colleges are accredited. Going to a community college gives you virtually the same quality of education as a state college and saves you money (which is the point in going in the first place). Wow, no one can civilly discuss anything anymore apparently....No, not all credits transfer. Kids get told 1 thing, take courses, and they end up not transferring. It happens all the time. And if you're full time at a major university, its not priced per credit hours, tuition is a fixed price and you can take anywhere fro m 12-18 credits. Seriously, i cant believe people on here have the balls to tell me an opinion is wrong. Thats complete bull **** **le sigh** First of all, if you read the thread I did say that not all credit transfer so you should read before bashing. Second of all, tuition is based on credit hours. I know from experience as I worked for a university when I was a student. It is a fixed rate but that rate is calculated based on credit hours. They figure the average student takes x number of hours and they charge y amount per hour so per semester tuition costs xyz. They don't just pull the number out of their ass. It's based on how much per credit hour and it is a fact that community colleges are cheaper. I'm done though. The eagle does not hunt flies.
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jun 29, 2008 19:22:01 GMT -5
Wow, no one can civilly discuss anything anymore apparently....No, not all credits transfer. Kids get told 1 thing, take courses, and they end up not transferring. It happens all the time. And if you're full time at a major university, its not priced per credit hours, tuition is a fixed price and you can take anywhere fro m 12-18 credits. Seriously, i cant believe people on here have the balls to tell me an opinion is wrong. Thats complete bull **** **le sigh** First of all, if you read the thread I did say that not all credit transfer so you should read before bashing. Second of all, tuition is based on credit hours. I know from experience as I worked for a university when I was a student. It is a fixed rate but that rate is calculated based on credit hours. They figure the average student takes x number of hours and they charge y amount per hour so per semester tuition costs xyz. They don't just pull the number out of their ass. It's based on how much per credit hour and it is a fact that community colleges are cheaper. I'm done though. The eagle does not hunt flies. Yeah....ok, aren't you clever. The point is, it is still a fixed rate, based on credit hours. Average is 15, so students get charged that tuition rate whether they take 12 or 18...so u take 18, or 16 even, and it's a better deal and you cannot deny it's a higher quality education. They rank pretty easily Community College State School The "regular" university The "new" Ivy Ivy League If it wasn't a higher quality education, why would people go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc? Because of their reputation.....what is that reputation? Better education... Ding Ding Ding, we have a WINNER
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jun 29, 2008 22:04:22 GMT -5
**le sigh** First of all, if you read the thread I did say that not all credit transfer so you should read before bashing. Second of all, tuition is based on credit hours. I know from experience as I worked for a university when I was a student. It is a fixed rate but that rate is calculated based on credit hours. They figure the average student takes x number of hours and they charge y amount per hour so per semester tuition costs xyz. They don't just pull the number out of their ass. It's based on how much per credit hour and it is a fact that community colleges are cheaper. I'm done though. The eagle does not hunt flies. Yeah....ok, aren't you clever. The point is, it is still a fixed rate, based on credit hours. Average is 15, so students get charged that tuition rate whether they take 12 or 18...so u take 18, or 16 even, and it's a better deal and you cannot deny it's a higher quality education. They rank pretty easily Community College State School The "regular" university The "new" Ivy Ivy League If it wasn't a higher quality education, why would people go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc? Because of their reputation.....what is that reputation? Better education... Ding Ding Ding, we have a WINNER I wasn't going to respond to this, but you did make me think. It's a generally accepted fact amongst experts on the subject that you don't get a better quality education at an ivy league school over any other school. You're paying for the name on the diploma. It's a brand name if you will, nothing more and nothing less. You don't get better quality instruction overall and you don't end up with a better education. These are givens. That being said I was curious if having an ivy league degree meant you would earn more money over your lifetime. It's a fact that a college degree means more earnings, but does the ivy league graduate earn more money than the graduate from any other college? So, I did some quick research on the web. I found several articles that stated that at best the answer is inconclusive. At worst, the answer is it makes no difference. While an ivy league degree can open the door in some fields and you do get a network there the original poster is looking for a graphics art degree, not a finance degree. The articles also seemed to clearly state that what matters most to employers is what your degree is in, not where it's from (which I stated earlier). On top of all this, you get the same degree whether you go to community college for two years and then transfer or if you spend four years at the state college. The original poster was looking for a way to save money on college as he thought he was going to have a very difficult time affording it. If he had the money to go to a state school for four years I'd say do it. He doesn't. Two years of community college and then two years of state college is a nice plan that will leave him with the same degree as if he'd spent 4 years at the state school and virtually the same knowledge just without the extra cost. Plus, he's going in to graphics design so the name on his degree is not going to be an issue that will open doors for him or close them. On top of this he sounds like a bright guy who's on top of things. So many people just wander through life never thinking of the future and he doesn't strike me as one of them. I'd go as far as to say that even if he doesn't go to college that he can put together a solid work history and a great portfolio and still make a killing in graphics design. Again, employers are looking for what you can do (especially in the graphics field) not necessarily what training you have. Now I'm done with this topic. Three of the links I referred to: www.bellaonline.com/articles/art53649.aspwww.toad.net/~andrews/ivy.htmjobs.aol.com/article/_a/what-does-an-ivy-league-degree-get-you/20050808184609990039
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Post by Thumper: One Year Later on Jun 29, 2008 22:40:37 GMT -5
There is nothing wrong with community colleges. I transfered into my college this past year after doing a two semesters at different colleges, one being a community college. All of those credits transfered and saved me a lot of time. I had a good GPA in high school and I have had a 4.0 in college so far, which has gotten me a lot of financial aid and has paid for half of my costs. I just got another $750 scholarship this past week. But you are going to have to take out loans, especially if you are going to a private school like I am. Just talk to financial aid. If your GPA is garbage, I suggest you go to community college and maintaining a good gpa to earn some scholarships and I would suggest a state university which are cheaper than private schools for the most part.
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jun 30, 2008 3:58:42 GMT -5
Yeah....ok, aren't you clever. The point is, it is still a fixed rate, based on credit hours. Average is 15, so students get charged that tuition rate whether they take 12 or 18...so u take 18, or 16 even, and it's a better deal and you cannot deny it's a higher quality education. They rank pretty easily Community College State School The "regular" university The "new" Ivy Ivy League If it wasn't a higher quality education, why would people go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc? Because of their reputation.....what is that reputation? Better education... Ding Ding Ding, we have a WINNER I wasn't going to respond to this, but you did make me think. It's a generally accepted fact amongst experts on the subject that you don't get a better quality education at an ivy league school over any other school. You're paying for the name on the diploma. It's a brand name if you will, nothing more and nothing less. You don't get better quality instruction overall and you don't end up with a better education. These are givens.That being said I was curious if having an ivy league degree meant you would earn more money over your lifetime. It's a fact that a college degree means more earnings, but does the ivy league graduate earn more money than the graduate from any other college? So, I did some quick research on the web. I found several articles that stated that at best the answer is inconclusive. At worst, the answer is it makes no difference. While an ivy league degree can open the door in some fields and you do get a network there the original poster is looking for a graphics art degree, not a finance degree. The articles also seemed to clearly state that what matters most to employers is what your degree is in, not where it's from (which I stated earlier). On top of all this, you get the same degree whether you go to community college for two years and then transfer or if you spend four years at the state college. The original poster was looking for a way to save money on college as he thought he was going to have a very difficult time affording it. If he had the money to go to a state school for four years I'd say do it. He doesn't. Two years of community college and then two years of state college is a nice plan that will leave him with the same degree as if he'd spent 4 years at the state school and virtually the same knowledge just without the extra cost. Plus, he's going in to graphics design so the name on his degree is not going to be an issue that will open doors for him or close them. On top of this he sounds like a bright guy who's on top of things. So many people just wander through life never thinking of the future and he doesn't strike me as one of them. I'd go as far as to say that even if he doesn't go to college that he can put together a solid work history and a great portfolio and still make a killing in graphics design. Again, employers are looking for what you can do (especially in the graphics field) not necessarily what training you have. Now I'm done with this topic. Three of the links I referred to: www.bellaonline.com/articles/art53649.aspwww.toad.net/~andrews/ivy.htmjobs.aol.com/article/_a/what-does-an-ivy-league-degree-get-you/20050808184609990039The statements i've bolded are so truly ignorant it's astounding. These professors at Ivy league school get paid a lot more than a community college professor, why? 2 reasons: 1) Research - The professors at Ivy League school make ground breaking and world changing discovers. Even if you don't understand the impact of theoretical physics, for example, it is a world changing topic and this major research is done at Ivy League and "four year" schools, not community colleges. At community colleges, are professors even required to do research? I don't know, which is why i'm asking. 2) - Instruction, including being a research assistant. Think about it, being a research assistant at a community college with hardly any "high standards" technology, like particle accelerators for physics, or perfect acoustic rooms for musicians, etc, these discoveries wouldn't be able to happen. Having your name at the end of a paper or article published in a research journal will open many more doors for you than a community college will. The research you do is often the biggest part of what job you get. I am going to be doing psychological research involving the psychology of criminals at Attica prison in NY, and working on a report to be published in a journal alongside a professor. Now, don't you think I'll get better job offers than someone who doesn't even do research at a community college and is simply a psychology major...yeah, I'm miles ahead in that case. I'm not saying you have to go Ivy League, i dont attend Ivy league and probably wouldn't, but Community is a mistake, At least go to a 4 years school like a state university where the professors do something that matters... You get what you pay for in this world....
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