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Post by techn9ne77 on Feb 12, 2008 1:25:46 GMT -5
- Right now Vince Russo is responsible for 90% or so of the TV writing, with Dutch Mantel working on other aspects of the show as well as the women's division.
- Velvet Sky currently has her photo in promotional material for a PPV entitled "Wet Wrestling: Naughty School Girl Food Fight." This was filmed in 2006.
- While there have been mentions of the women possibly getting their own show, nothing is for sure. They have done the best quarter hour numbers on most shows, but many fear that there isn't enough depth to carry a show of their own.
- Many in TNA are anxious to see the Against All Odds buyrate, since the company has been doing record viewership for the last few weeks.
Credit: The Wrestling Observer Newsletter
It seems to me that a few of the TNA apologists (or at least Russo apologists) are always saying "its not all Russo's fault, don't just blame Russo" or "blame Mantell and Jarrett also, Russo is only responsible for only a small amount of the booking". After all this time of people desperately trying to make excuses for Russo through the "Fire Russo" chants, it's finally being acknowlegded for what we all knew smelled like Russo's sh*t actually being it. Well, now that argument can be put to rest. Thoughts? Comments?
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Post by mattoriginal on Feb 12, 2008 1:42:35 GMT -5
...Fire Russo/Mantel...
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Feb 12, 2008 2:04:12 GMT -5
TNA won't improve until Russo leaves the company but by then I'm afraid it will probably be unfixable if not dead. Russo has done nothing but hurt the company.
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Post by mattoriginal on Feb 12, 2008 2:07:16 GMT -5
TNA won't improve until Russo leaves the company but by then I'm afraid it will probably be unfixable if not dead. Russo has done nothing but hurt the company. I'm a firm believer in the WWE Conspiracy Theory. WWE sent Russo to destroy WCW when it was a threat, and when TNA became a threat he sent Russo to kill it off. I'm more than likely wrong but eh, Vince has done worse. |
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Post by Master Lewpac on Feb 12, 2008 2:17:16 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the show. You all complain that you want the attitude era back in the E, and then come on this board and bash TNA. You're pathetic. You have to bitch about every little thing, and will never be happy. You want characters, yet get pissed when you see guys like Abyss, Black Reign, RelliK, Sharkboy, and others. You want good wrestling, yet still bitch, EVEN THOUGH, every week we see great matches from the likes of LAX, AJ, Angle, Cage, Machismo, hell, even Team 3D has gotten a little better of the last few months. You bitch about Alex Shelley being under pushed. THE MAN IS IN ONE OF THE HOTTEST FEUDS IN WRESTLING. You complain about "WWE Rejects" coming to TNA and stealing the spotlight. But, lets take a look back in time shall we? Lets look at WCW, ECW, and WWF.. They were always taking stars from each other, and no one complained then, did they? When Kevin Nash and Scott Hall went to WCW did you all sit behind your keyboards and cry about it? No, instead you tuned into WCW and accepted it. What about when Vince bought ECW, and all the stars came to the E? You all marked out for RVD. You all marked out when Taz came to the E.
The point is, TNA is as good as its going to get. Theres nothing you can do except accept it and watch it, or get over it and watch something else.
AND, as bad as TNA is right now, its still 20x better than any WWE brand right now.
So, in other words. Stop Bitching.
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Post by mrchase on Feb 12, 2008 2:39:12 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the show. You all complain that you want the attitude era back in the E, and then come on this board and bash TNA. You're pathetic. You have to bitch about every little thing, and will never be happy. You want characters, yet get pissed when you see guys like Abyss, Black Reign, RelliK, Sharkboy, and others. You want good wrestling, yet still bitch, EVEN THOUGH, every week we see great matches from the likes of LAX, AJ, Angle, Cage, Machismo, hell, even Team 3D has gotten a little better of the last few months. You bitch about Alex Shelley being under pushed. THE MAN IS IN ONE OF THE HOTTEST FEUDS IN WRESTLING. You complain about "WWE Rejects" coming to TNA and stealing the spotlight. But, lets take a look back in time shall we? Lets look at WCW, ECW, and WWF.. They were always taking stars from each other, and no one complained then, did they? When Kevin Nash and Scott Hall went to WCW did you all sit behind your keyboards and cry about it? No, instead you tuned into WCW and accepted it. What about when Vince bought ECW, and all the stars came to the E? You all marked out for RVD. You all marked out when Taz came to the E. The point is, TNA is as good as its going to get. Theres nothing you can do except accept it and watch it, or get over it and watch something else. AND, as bad as TNA is right now, its still 20x better than any WWE brand right now. So, in other words. Stop Bitching. you really think TNA is still 20x better than any WWE brand then your are crazy . smackdown & ecw are both better then TNA. ECW & smackdown give you real wrestling matches every week compared to impact . ECW is 10x better then TNA & it is 1 hour . i am tna original & the product sucks compared to the 1st year.smackdown also put longer & better matches then tna impact . i want to see real pro-wrestling not sped up high spot fest matches tna does on impact impact is nothing but a promo show anymore & sitcom.tna originals like me who paid for every wed ppv since the first show have every right to bitch because without tna originals like me their would be no tna. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 12, 2008 7:48:21 GMT -5
I just find it weird how so many people mark for the additude era which Russo wrote for & now he's the devil. I don't get it..
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Post by mattoriginal on Feb 12, 2008 7:50:34 GMT -5
I just find it weird how so many people mark for the additude era which Russo wrote for & now he's the devil. I don't get it.. Attitude Era was good. He went to WCW and was contributed to it's death. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 12, 2008 7:53:12 GMT -5
I just find it weird how so many people mark for the additude era which Russo wrote for & now he's the devil. I don't get it.. Attitude Era was good. He went to WCW and was contributed to it's death. Explain to me then how one man can be loved one minute but the minute he works for another wrestling promotion he is the devil? I don't belive this whole "He helped kill WCW" crap. |
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Post by mrchase on Feb 12, 2008 8:33:07 GMT -5
Attitude Era was good. He went to WCW and was contributed to it's death. Explain to me then how one man can be loved one minute but the minute he works for another wrestling promotion he is the devil? I don't belive this whole "He helped kill WCW" crap. because vince russo had a filter in WWF & it was vince mcmahon. vince mcmahon had final say & made sure that russo ideas did not go to far . in WCW vince russo had no filter for his ideas & no one to tell him no like vince mcmahon. vince russo needs someone to filters his ideas at all time. the Attitude Era was not all vince russo. The Attitude Era was also vince mcmahon not just russo.every wherre vince russo has went except WWf. he has been given too much power & no one to tell him no till it is too late |
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 12, 2008 8:48:36 GMT -5
Oh okay. That makes sense. I dont belive 'with Dutch Mantel working on other aspects of the show as well as the women's division.' as two weeks ago Coach D'amore was the one behind the KO division.
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Post by reallypeevedoff on Feb 12, 2008 9:28:29 GMT -5
WWE sent Russo to destroy WCW when it was a threat, and [glow=red,2,300]when TNA became a threat he sent Russo to kill it off.[/glow]I'm more than likely wrong but eh, Vince has done worse. aha hahahahhah WWE Views TNA as a threat. and Warrior Warrior is really a sane person |
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Post by Hollywood Asia on Feb 12, 2008 10:14:10 GMT -5
The PPV is gonna do another terrible buyrate to match its attendance. Until the booking team changes this will continue because TNA is a joke.
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Post by techn9ne77 on Feb 12, 2008 10:32:09 GMT -5
I just find it weird how so many people mark for the additude era which Russo wrote for & now he's the devil. I don't get it.. I'll simply ignore Master Lewpac's idiotic pro-TNA rant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, stop bitching, TNA is 1 billion times better than WWE, Russo is great, it's the best TNA has ever been, oh and can't forget stop bitching, blah, blah. We've heard it all before. Go get a dictionary and expand your vocabulary. Now anyway... You see, that's people's problem right there. I don't wanna see the Attitude-era return. The Attitude-era is overrated. Seriously. Go back and watch some of that stuff again and see how it holds up. It's dated. Granted some of it will still be entertaining, but most of that stuff doesn't even hold up now. Why is Austin so boring now? Because he basically is still doing the same stuff he did all throughout the Attitude-era. I can't see how people talk (1) about the Attitude-era, then (2) TNA being 20x better than WWE in the same sentence. Guess what, WWE did most of the stuff that TNA is doing 11, 12 years ago. So no, I don't want to see TNA rip-off what another company (that is 20x bigger than them) did back in 1997/98. And what makes it even more mind-boggling is if you wanna see that stuff, guess what you're not a TNA fan, you're just a WWE fan in disguise. Yes you are, don't try to hide that Cena foam finger now. That's right. If you're entertained by most of TNA's stuff now, you might as well be a big ol' WWE fan also because they're not that much different now. Let me tell you guys something: things CHANGE. Russo's stuff worked in 1997/98 and guess what, it's 2008 now. When sports entertainment started, it was fresh because it wasn't the cartoon-ish, kid-friendly, gimmicky stuff that dominated the '80s and early '90s. Just as people tired of that, they grew tired of Russo's stuff. Therefore, people turned against Russo because the stuff is just repetitive at this point. WCW fans didn't want to have their product basically be a carbon-copy of Attitude-era WWE and didn't accept Russo. Gee, could it be because WCW at one time had their own identity then changed for the worse in an attempt to take away WWE fans? Remind you of another company. BOTTOMLINE: If you want Attitude-era storylines and gimmicks, go get WWE 24/7 or buy the new Austin DVD. I started watching TNA b/c I wanted to see something different from the same ol' that I've been seeing in WWE or have seen in WWE. And once again if you want to see those storylines/that type of sports entertainment, then don't claim to be a TNA fan anymore because you're nothing more than a good ol' Hulkmaniac. Enjoy the Test/Steph Mcmah..., I mean, Edge/Lita wedding, no, no, no, it's the Angle's wedding this week on Impact. Yup, this company is sooooo much better than WWE. They're doing the exact same things. And let's notice the difference between my post and Lewpac's, so we can get things straight. Coming in a thread and bitching about people "bitching" is guess what kiddies? Bitching. If people reply back to another person and counter their ridiculous claims that TNA is perfect or whatever, that's not bitching. Thank you. |
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Feb 12, 2008 14:15:04 GMT -5
TNA won't improve until Russo leaves the company but by then I'm afraid it will probably be unfixable if not dead. Russo has done nothing but hurt the company. I'm a firm believer in the WWE Conspiracy Theory. WWE sent Russo to destroy WCW when it was a threat, and when TNA became a threat he sent Russo to kill it off. I'm more than likely wrong but eh, Vince has done worse. I've never been a conspiracy theory kind of guy, but that actually sounds believable. I love TNA, but something must be done. They have been terrible for a long time. They used to be an actual wrestling company, but now they're somehow become a shitty version of the WWE. That in itself is a huge feat to accomplish. I didn't think it could get that much worse than what the WWE has been doing for the past few years, but Russo and Mantell have proven me wrong. |
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Post by mattoriginal on Feb 12, 2008 16:46:37 GMT -5
Explain to me then how one man can be loved one minute but the minute he works for another wrestling promotion he is the devil? I don't belive this whole "He helped kill WCW" crap. because vince russo had a filter in WWF & it was vince mcmahon. vince mcmahon had final say & made sure that russo ideas did not go to far . in WCW vince russo had no filter for his ideas & no one to tell him no. My Point. WWE sent Russo to destroy WCW when it was a threat, and [glow=red,2,300]when TNA became a threat he sent Russo to kill it off.[/glow]I'm more than likely wrong but eh, Vince has done worse. aha hahahahhah WWE Views TNA as a threat. and Warrior Warrior is really a sane person ...lol? Back before Russo we had a great alternative to WWE on Television. Then Russo came along and started booking horrible matches and horrible gimmicks. As stated, The Attitude Era would work in this day and age. We've just come off the ending of that era. WWE knows this, but Russo thinks, just like he thought in the dying days of WCW, The Attitude Era can/will work. Think about it, we're getting a wedding angle that will result in Karen and Kurt "getting a divorce" only for Karen to once again align herself with Kurt in "t3H u1T!M@TE $w3R\/3!111". Think about all the crap we've been fed since Russo. THE FOUR POLE RAT IN A BOX MATCH?! Who can tell me that was a good idea? Honestly most TNA fans are in denial about TNA sucking. |
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Post by deskjet on Feb 12, 2008 17:34:57 GMT -5
Well, i'm not going to keep trying to convince people of my perspective, because it aint gonna happen. everyone see thi ngs differntly so i will just hold to that. thus inmo I like TNA, at least this last month anyway. I watched RAW last night and I really tried to watch it, but maybe it's me, but long drawn out match that dont really have a purpose...Hardy/HBK do nothing for me...now the match itself was the best of the night but again I dont get why it had to be close to 30 minutes long when there was absolutely nothing at stake...they coulda at least made it for an EC position. Let me also add, it was NOT the lenght of the match that made it good for me, but rather the quality...HBK and Hardy put on a hell of a match and had good back and forth quality wrestling. contrastly, JBL vs Jericho was flat out boring, only the history made it intriguing. that said, I think, although shorter, TNA delivers with quality matches. So purpose.l or not, with the short time, at least the matches are quality.
Moreover, TNA's offers varierty. So what if SB is being like SC, its different and it gets him noticed, same wth Machismo. Furthermore it gets these guys air time, something people on here always complain about.
while some of TNA's decisions havent always been the smartest, I applaud their attempt for trying...I think they need to do that to see exactly what works...obviously they've been doing something right because ratinging have gone up. All of TNA's stars are at least involved in some meaningful storyline...what Kendrick doing? what's Kane doing? what's Kenny dykstra doing? What about DeUce and Domino, etc? All on roster taking up space and jobbing about or in no or meaningless storylines, all I mite add which are former champions. When I turn on TNA I feel like I'm getting my full moneys worth, not a bunch of fillers till the main event comes.
These are some of the main reasons I look forward to TNA. Now back in NOV/DEC, I thought the company was floundering and the booking was crap, but as i said, i have enjoyed the product of late because of the aforementioned reasons.
I watch both TNA and WWE, but I get more out of watching TNA then I do 5 hours of WWE programming, just my opinion, whether people like what's going on or not, I do, and I'll keep supporting it until the F it up again.
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Post by Adam on Feb 12, 2008 18:36:23 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with the show. You all complain that you want the attitude era back in the E, and then come on this board and bash TNA. You're pathetic. You have to bitch about every little thing, and will never be happy. If there wasn't so many things to bitch about, the product would be a whole lot better. You want characters, yet get pissed when you see guys like Abyss, Black Reign, RelliK, Sharkboy, and others. Abyss was fine, yet they decided to have him talk, and stick him into Messias/Mitchell feud (sounds like a re-hash Taker/Kane/Bearer feud to me). As for 'Black Reign', a guy who's so damn washed up and out of shape that carries a rat to the ring, yeah that's entertaining. As for Sharkboy, or should I say "Stone Cold Sharkboy" couldn't be more re-hash. Obviously originality isn't one of TNA's strengths (anymore). Last time I checked, I turned on TNA because I didn't want to watch WWE. You want good wrestling, yet still bitch, EVEN THOUGH, every week we see great matches from the likes of LAX, AJ, Angle, Cage, Machismo, hell, even Team 3D has gotten a little better of the last few months. You bitch about Alex Shelley being under pushed. THE MAN IS IN ONE OF THE HOTTEST FEUDS IN WRESTLING. Until LAX isn't thrown into meaningless filler matches, then I'll be okay. AJ has become a joke to me now, I just laugh at him now, which is pretty bad, considering he was the face of TNA at one point. Who exactly was complaining about Alex Shelley, are you making things up now? Oh, and sorry I don't like watching two fat has beens either. You complain about "WWE Rejects" coming to TNA and stealing the spotlight. But, lets take a look back in time shall we? Lets look at WCW, ECW, and WWF.. They were always taking stars from each other, and no one complained then, did they? When Kevin Nash and Scott Hall went to WCW did you all sit behind your keyboards and cry about it? No, instead you tuned into WCW and accepted it. Ah yes, love when people bring up WCW. WCW reinevented most of the men they took from WWE. Hulk Hogan became "Hollywood Hogan". Diesel and Razor Ramon became two more badass NWO members. They were fresh again. Whereas TNA just does a simple copy and paste from WWE/WCW/ECW. The point is, TNA is as good as its going to get. Theres nothing you can do except accept it and watch it, or get over it and watch something else. So, in other words. Stop Bitching. "Stop bitching", "Accept it, enjoy it"...My, how original are these arguments? If you want to accept whatever TNA does that's fine. But there's a few of us who actually care that TNA has gone way downhill. That's why WWE/TNA may never get better, because there's never enough people that will speak up when they don't like something. But no, let's just keep our mouths shut, let's just accept whatever is given, who cares if a company that was at one point the savior of mainstream wrestling has just become nothing more than a second WWE. AND, as bad as TNA is right now, its still 20x better than any WWE brand right now. P.S. I already know that WWE sucks, I've had enough TNA apologists tell me this already. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Feb 12, 2008 18:37:10 GMT -5
Everyone on TNA's roster has a spot? Tell that to LAX and Senshi before he left. Same with Chris Harris. And just because people have a spot doesn't mean it's a good spot. Samoa Joe is bitching about TNA. AJ Styles looks like an idiot when he should be main eventing, Daniels is using a comedy gimmick when he should be main eventing. Abyss doesn't even look like a monster anymore. Sonjay Dutt is a damn guru. Kurt Angles matches are always the same. Good match until they kick out of each others finishers, ref bump, "ultimate swerve", 1 2 3 Angle wins. Mike Tenay and Don West sell the match like it's the greatest thing they ever seen.
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Post by Mark on Feb 12, 2008 18:38:46 GMT -5
alex shelly in one of the hottest feuds in wrestling?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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