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Post by Graze on Oct 24, 2008 13:36:17 GMT -5
Its done and over with. To be honest if he wasn't going to drop the belt someone had to end the match before his contract was up and if he showed up on WCw Nitro witht the belt what would have happened? Do you think WWE would still be around? I don't. Vince did the profesinal thing in this case and did what he needed to do to get what he needed done. If he showed on on Nitro with the belt, WCW would of been sued for copyright infringement.
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 24, 2008 13:44:06 GMT -5
It was Bret Harts fault. The guy didn't do the proffesional thing and drop the title like he was told too, so he got screwed because Vince was stuck in a situation where Bret could of shown up with the title at Nitro before vacating on RAW. If Bret just acted professinal and did what the promoter said, he wouldn't of got screwed over, the guys a whiney little bitch, enough said. Bret in the last 30 days, I think it was, had creative control of his character, he had the right, based on his contract to choose what he wanted to to. Honestly, if anyone is to be blamed it's Vince. It's his company afterall. Vince should of sat with both men, and agreed on a solution. Bret has mentioned before he would of had no problems coming out on Raw, forfeiting the belt and walk away. Exactly......and ya know all the HBK marks on this board piss and whine about how Bret wouldnt drop the belt to Shawn, but id he came out crying and said he lost his smile before giving the belt to Vince......That would have made it better right?
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Post by Edgeacution on Oct 24, 2008 14:34:53 GMT -5
Exactly......and ya know all the HBK marks on this board piss and whine about how Bret wouldnt drop the belt to Shawn, but id he came out crying and said he lost his smile before giving the belt to Vince......That would have made it better right? Well at least he dropped the title. I take no sides in this fight since both were at fault. Bret didnt want to follow tradition and pass the torch.... Unprofessional. Vince didnt tell Bret he couldnt afford to have the title on Bret the following night knowing he was going to WCW and might still have the belt. So Vince took it. Also unprofessional. But if you think about it honestly both were unprofessional in the situation and Bret hating HBK more than Vince is just stupid its not like HBK forced Vince's hand in taking the belt. HBK listened to his boss end of story. All adults have to work and listen to their boss its a way of life even if we enjoy what we do or not in the end if our boss tells us to do something we'll do it.
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 24, 2008 15:35:22 GMT -5
Exactly......and ya know all the HBK marks on this board piss and whine about how Bret wouldnt drop the belt to Shawn, but id he came out crying and said he lost his smile before giving the belt to Vince......That would have made it better right? Well at least he dropped the title. I take no sides in this fight since both were at fault. Bret didnt want to follow tradition and pass the torch.... Unprofessional. Vince didnt tell Bret he couldnt afford to have the title on Bret the following night knowing he was going to WCW and might still have the belt. So Vince took it. Also unprofessional. But if you think about it honestly both were unprofessional in the situation and Bret hating HBK more than Vince is just stupid its not like HBK forced Vince's hand in taking the belt. HBK listened to his boss end of story. All adults have to work and listen to their boss its a way of life even if we enjoy what we do or not in the end if our boss tells us to do something we'll do it. Yes he showed up on Raw and gave the title up without doing the job.....Exactly what Bret wanted to do.
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Post by Batista on Oct 24, 2008 16:11:56 GMT -5
Christ, Bret sounds like a broken ing record. its been 10 years...move on...everyone else has.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2008 18:58:08 GMT -5
I think I speak for many people when I say BRET, GET THE OVER IT. HAVEN'T YOU NOTICED THAT 11 YEARS LATER, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME? IF IT BOTHERS YOU THAT MUCH, STOP DWELLING ON IT. MOVE ON. DO SOMETHING ELSE PRODUCTIVE. YOU PUNCHED VINCE, I WOUD HAVE BEEN CONTENT WITH THAT.Love, Your pals at WF.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Oct 24, 2008 19:21:16 GMT -5
Well at least he dropped the title. I take no sides in this fight since both were at fault. Bret didnt want to follow tradition and pass the torch.... Unprofessional. Vince didnt tell Bret he couldnt afford to have the title on Bret the following night knowing he was going to WCW and might still have the belt. So Vince took it. Also unprofessional. But if you think about it honestly both were unprofessional in the situation and Bret hating HBK more than Vince is just stupid its not like HBK forced Vince's hand in taking the belt. HBK listened to his boss end of story. All adults have to work and listen to their boss its a way of life even if we enjoy what we do or not in the end if our boss tells us to do something we'll do it. Yes he showed up on Raw and gave the title up without doing the job.....Exactly what Bret wanted to do. BUt I'm sure HBK would've dropped it in a job if nesesary. To refuse to do so is.........unprofessional. Most all champions go down swinging in a classic. It's jut the right thing to do. Yeah sure Shawn didn't job but he wasn't leaving the company either.
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Post by "Vintage" HBK Still Rules on Oct 24, 2008 19:27:51 GMT -5
And Vince put him in the Hall Of Fame why?
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Post by markallenkellner on Oct 24, 2008 19:49:57 GMT -5
It's all a work
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Oct 24, 2008 20:38:39 GMT -5
All I know is that Bret keeps talking about it because people keep asking him. If people stopped bringing it up you would hardly hear anything about it. Or he could just say "I've moved on from that point in my life, let's talk about something else." Sure... If someone did that to you, you wouldn't be saying that. _____________________________________ Bret Hart has always annoyed me, What else in his career can he really talk about besides that? Outside the ring, he seems like a class act and a very nice guy, but in the ring...he was boring as hell. Same with Ric Flair. Hmm, let see, what did he did on his career? Wrestle? yeah, he wrestled which is what he is supposed to do in a wrestling ring. ____________________________________________ It was Bret Harts fault. The guy didn't do the proffesional thing and drop the title like he was told too, so he got screwed because Vince was stuck in a situation where Bret could of shown up with the title at Nitro before vacating on RAW. If Bret just acted professinal and did what the promoter said, he wouldn't of got screwed over, the guys a whiney little bitch, enough said. I don't think Vince acted professional by after some hours of discussion telling Bret he agreed, and later, did all that to him.
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Post by Sims on Oct 24, 2008 20:41:39 GMT -5
The one and only thing I found messed up about it is his tantrum breaking stuff and popping Vince in the eye...
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Post by fdamage: Elite Trader on Oct 24, 2008 20:44:45 GMT -5
I like how he exaggerates ****, yeah I'm sure HBK a GROWN MAN was in the corning weeping like a 2 year old...OK BRET...sure.... watch wrestling with shadows. it's true.
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Post by fdamage: Elite Trader on Oct 24, 2008 20:49:31 GMT -5
Yes he showed up on Raw and gave the title up without doing the job.....Exactly what Bret wanted to do. BUt I'm sure HBK would've dropped it in a job if nesesary. To refuse to do so is.........unprofessional. Most all champions go down swinging in a classic. It's jut the right thing to do. Yeah sure Shawn didn't job but he wasn't leaving the company either. no he wouldn't. hbk was notorious for deciding what he would & wouldn't do. he was one of the biggest backstage manipulators of all.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Oct 24, 2008 23:14:20 GMT -5
Shawn was a little b!tch and pretty much everyone had had enough of him. I would find it difficult in Bret's position where it actually was his decision. If Vince was so worried, he shouldn't have given Bret his 30 day creative control. I am no Bret fan, but he stated he would have gladly dropped it to anyone but Shawn in Canada. There was plenty of time for him to drop it after Montreal. He would have dropped it to Austin, Taker, or Steve Lombardi. This will never die, but I'm sick of it.
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Oct 24, 2008 23:34:50 GMT -5
He needs to get over it..
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Post by carly1988 on Oct 24, 2008 23:59:51 GMT -5
Yes he showed up on Raw and gave the title up without doing the job.....Exactly what Bret wanted to do. BUt I'm sure HBK would've dropped it in a job if nesesary. To refuse to do so is.........unprofessional. Most all champions go down swinging in a classic. It's jut the right thing to do. Yeah sure Shawn didn't job but he wasn't leaving the company either. Exactly what fdamage says above. HBK on more then one occasion has refused to do the job. There is MANY ways Vince could have kept him from showing up on Nitro with the belt. As I said before Im sure Bret would have walked through the curtain, handed him the title and said Ill see you tomorrow on Raw and that would have settled anything. I guess cause Bret didnt want to cry like a lil girl and tell the world he lost his smile that they decided to just screw him out of it.
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Post by JSky20 on Oct 25, 2008 0:25:56 GMT -5
Everyone is saying he should get over it.. and he should stop talking about it... BUT WHAT THE HELL IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT NOW?!
If you want Bret to stop talking about, then maybe you should take your own advice. The screwjob will always be a huge topic of discussion among wrestling fans, so why can't the man who was affected most by it be able to talk about it too?? Bret Hart, would have NEVER showed up on Nitro with the WWF Championship. The man respected the business entirely too much to do such a thing, unlike Vince McMahon who bastardizes the very industry that made him who he is, every chance he gets. The fact of the matter is, Bret Hart and Vince McMahon.. and Shawn Michaels for that matter had an agreement as to how that match was supposed to finish.. and thats not what ended up happening... so how in the hell can anyone say Bret Hart was in the wrong for expecting to finish the match the way it was intended only for the rug to be pulled out from under him by Vince, Shawn and Earl. You can argue all you want about what you think should have been agreed upon, but that doesn't change the fact that a finish was agreed upon, and obviously we all know thats not what ended up happening. Bret was screwed.
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Post by JTG on Oct 25, 2008 1:36:27 GMT -5
I believe it was a double edged sword. Bret should've been professional enough to drop the belt that night and if he still refused then Vince should've straight up had a long heart to heart with him instead of being childish and orchastrating all this crap with Michaels. From what I've heard I can't blame Shawn since he was who he was (apperently at that time conceded and was in it for himself and his circle of friends) and he was simply doing what his boss told him. Plus he was the top heel in the business at the time and you don't want to screw that up. I do still enjoy chanting "YOU SCREWED BRET" though...it's just tradition Clearly Bret's still hurt from what happend so it's his right to voice that he's still bitter on the subject.
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Post by Kurt Burton: Script Doctor! on Oct 25, 2008 2:23:32 GMT -5
Well at least he dropped the title. I take no sides in this fight since both were at fault. Bret didnt want to follow tradition and pass the torch.... Unprofessional. Vince didnt tell Bret he couldnt afford to have the title on Bret the following night knowing he was going to WCW and might still have the belt. So Vince took it. Also unprofessional. But if you think about it honestly both were unprofessional in the situation and Bret hating HBK more than Vince is just stupid its not like HBK forced Vince's hand in taking the belt. HBK listened to his boss end of story. All adults have to work and listen to their boss its a way of life even if we enjoy what we do or not in the end if our boss tells us to do something we'll do it. Yes he showed up on Raw and gave the title up without doing the job.....Exactly what Bret wanted to do. Watch the documentary Hitman Hart: Wrestling with shadows. The next night they were in Detroit, so Bret proposed to Vince that they have a double DQ at the PPV, then Bret show up in Detroit and lose the title cleanly in a rematch.
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Post by Hollywood QJD on Oct 25, 2008 12:06:38 GMT -5
Bret Hart was a guest on this morning's Opie & Anthony show. I only caught the last 10 minutes of the interview, so I'm not sure how long he had been on before then, but he was talking about the Montreal Screwjob when I tuned in.Bret talked about how he had spoken to Shawn months prior and told him he had no problem losing the belt to him, but that Shawn flat out told him he would never lose to him. He also mentioned how he had been built up as a Canadian hero during this time and how looking at the situation as a businessman, he felt that his value would drop considerably if he lost in Canada. He then talked about how he punched Vince after the match at the Survivor Series and how Shawn was in the corner crying the whole time because he was afraid he was going to get killed (he referred to Shawn as a 'coward' several times). He said Vince came in with a few of his lackeys, but that Bret had Jim Neidhart, Davey Boy Smith, Owen Hart, Rick Rude and The Undertaker there with him. He said he came out of the shower and walked into the dressing room naked because Davey Boy had stolen his towel. He told Vince that if he was still out there when he finished getting dressed, he was going to punch him. Vince refused to leave, so Bret gave him an uppercut that cause Vince to land awkwardly on his ankle. He said Vince was out cold for about 2 minutes after he punched him. Bret said that punching Vince was "the most beautiful thing I have ever done", and how he felt that Vince deserved it after what he did to him. The interview ended with the talk show hosts promoting the book and thanking Bret for his time. What? For the love of the Wrestling God, will he give it a rest,already? It wouldnt have happened if he had been willing to job, as his job demands of.
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