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Post by slappy on Nov 9, 2008 23:26:38 GMT -5
The United States military since 2004 has used broad, secret authority to carry out nearly a dozen previously undisclosed attacks against Al Qaeda and other militants in Syria, Pakistan and elsewhere, according to senior American officials. These military raids, typically carried out by Special Operations forces, were authorized by a classified order that Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld signed in the spring of 2004 with the approval of President Bush, the officials said. The secret order gave the military new authority to attack the Qaeda terrorist network anywhere in the world, and a more sweeping mandate to conduct operations in countries not at war with the United States. www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/washington/10military.htmlIf we had a politics post, I would have posted this there.
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Post by ICW on Nov 9, 2008 23:38:11 GMT -5
Seriously, where the hell is the politics thread?
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Post by KMIS™ on Nov 10, 2008 0:12:18 GMT -5
I like how your signature makes it look like Obama is in love with your posts.
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Post by slappy on Nov 10, 2008 0:13:44 GMT -5
I like how your signature makes it look like Obama is in love with your posts. Because he is.
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Post by KMIS™ on Nov 10, 2008 0:18:05 GMT -5
I like how your signature makes it look like Obama is in love with your posts. Because he is. Haha, was that always in your signature, or did you just add it? If it was, I totally didn't notice it before.
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Post by slappy on Nov 10, 2008 0:18:57 GMT -5
Haha, was that always in your signature, or did you just add it? If it was, I totally didn't notice it before. Just added it.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 10, 2008 9:17:06 GMT -5
Meh. If we're kicking Al Qaeda's ass that's all I care about.
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Post by slappy on Nov 10, 2008 10:45:58 GMT -5
Meh. If we're kicking Al Qaeda's ass that's all I care about. We have to be careful about not killing civilians. And we should go after Bin Laden. Obama's team is drafting a plan to close Guantanamo as soon as he gets in office. Thoughts?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 10, 2008 10:49:28 GMT -5
Meh. If we're kicking Al Qaeda's ass that's all I care about. We have to be careful about not killing civilians. And we should go after Bin Laden. Obama's team is drafting a plan to close Guantanamo as soon as he gets in office. Thoughts? Well, if the civilians are hanging out in Al Qaeda camps then I have no sympathy for 'em. I had heard Obama is talking about holding trials for all the prisoners at Gitmo which I'm all for. I like the idea of a prison there, I just think the prisoners there should be there after getting a fair trial military or otherwise.
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Post by slappy on Nov 10, 2008 10:55:37 GMT -5
What would happen is, they'd be sent here, put in jails and tried here. They'll get their trials, it'll just be here and not there.
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Nov 10, 2008 11:06:33 GMT -5
We have to be careful about not killing civilians. And we should go after Bin Laden. Obama's team is drafting a plan to close Guantanamo as soon as he gets in office. Thoughts? Well, if the civilians are hanging out in Al Qaeda camps then I have no sympathy for 'em. I had heard Obama is talking about holding trials for all the prisoners at Gitmo which I'm all for. I like the idea of a prison there, I just think the prisoners there should be there after getting a fair trial military or otherwise. Well as long as we do it responibly and not kill 650,000 civilians like in Iraq then I see no problem with hunting them down. The idea of trials is a great one. It is about damn time.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 10, 2008 11:08:44 GMT -5
Well, you can't run a war without civilian casualties. Sherman would roll over in his grave at how the war in Iraq is being run I'm afraid.
And yes it is about damn time they got trials. If you have something on them then convict 'em and throw away the key. If you don't, let 'em go.
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Post by slappy on Nov 10, 2008 11:13:13 GMT -5
Hopefully Barack restores habeas corpus.
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Nov 10, 2008 11:15:03 GMT -5
Well, you can't run a war without civilian casualties. Sherman would roll over in his grave at how the war in Iraq is being run I'm afraid. And yes it is about damn time they got trials. If you have something on them then convict 'em and throw away the key. If you don't, let 'em go. A lot of these casualties have to do with neglectful mistakes. A measure twice cut once sort of deal.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 10, 2008 11:22:45 GMT -5
Still Sherman would roll over in his grave. The guy knew how to win a war. When the civilians are supporting the resistance (actively or passively) you have to take them out too. It's not pretty, it's war.
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Post by Stinger TNA on Nov 10, 2008 11:25:25 GMT -5
I 100% agree with Obama on closing down Guantanamo Bay.
I don't get, why the idea hasn't been brought up of MAYBE someone just.....oh I don't know....creating a politics thread?
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Nov 10, 2008 11:28:26 GMT -5
Still Sherman would roll over in his grave. The guy knew how to win a war. When the civilians are supporting the resistance (actively or passively) you have to take them out too. It's not pretty, it's war. Yeah but a majority of the civilans are not supporting this resistance. They are infact very upset with the fact that the Iraqi military is helping the insurgents with kidnappings and many other things that are undermining our helpfulness. Iraq has an estimated 47 billion dollar surplus. I say we leave them to their own devices and bulk up in other countries(Afghanistan,Pakistan) where we know that terrorist are harboring. Better yet we should develop a training core to insert Arab soldiers into these networks and take them economically. If we damage terrorists funds substantially we will have a better chance of eliminating them. We can kill all we want. They will just pop back up in hordes. This ongoing struggle will be decided by brains not muscle.
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Nov 10, 2008 11:40:51 GMT -5
I hope the Gitmo thing doesn't come back to bite Obama on the ass. Considering he has no military or tactical experience and may not understand how things really work in the field I'm not sure if closing a military prison where some of the most disgusting and vile enemies of the United States are being held is the brightest thing he could do.
I'd rather see him spend the first year (plus) working on getting our economy out of the crapper with his "spend more / fix more" strategy. Either way, should make for headlines.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 10, 2008 11:41:38 GMT -5
Still Sherman would roll over in his grave. The guy knew how to win a war. When the civilians are supporting the resistance (actively or passively) you have to take them out too. It's not pretty, it's war. Yeah but a majority of the civilans are not supporting this resistance. They are infact very upset with the fact that the Iraqi military is helping the insurgents with kidnappings and many other things that are undermining our helpfulness. Iraq has an estimated 47 billion dollar surplus. I say we leave them to their own devices and bulk up in other countries(Afghanistan,Pakistan) where we know that terrorist are harboring. Better yet we should develop a training core to insert Arab soldiers into these networks and take them economically. If we damage terrorists funds substantially we will have a better chance of eliminating them. We can kill all we want. They will just pop back up in hordes. This ongoing struggle will be decided by brains not muscle. It's not quite as simple as that though. We've kind of created a huge disaster there. If we leave it becomes more of a terrorists breeding ground than it is.
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Nov 10, 2008 11:43:43 GMT -5
Yeah but a majority of the civilans are not supporting this resistance. They are infact very upset with the fact that the Iraqi military is helping the insurgents with kidnappings and many other things that are undermining our helpfulness. Iraq has an estimated 47 billion dollar surplus. I say we leave them to their own devices and bulk up in other countries(Afghanistan,Pakistan) where we know that terrorist are harboring. Better yet we should develop a training core to insert Arab soldiers into these networks and take them economically. If we damage terrorists funds substantially we will have a better chance of eliminating them. We can kill all we want. They will just pop back up in hordes. This ongoing struggle will be decided by brains not muscle. It's not quite as simple as that though. We've kind of created a huge disaster there. If we leave it becomes more of a terrorists breeding ground than it is. Not completely leave. Just not be there with as many soldiers as now. I like the idea of less, highly trained soldiers as opposed to a mass of dumbasses.
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