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Post by Kliquid on Nov 23, 2008 2:02:32 GMT -5
Id love to see Chuck step up to HW. He would have an alright chance aginst Lesnar but I still think Lesnar would handle him! Lesnar would kill Liddell. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Nov 23, 2008 5:35:30 GMT -5
Lesnar would maul Liddell. When, not if, but when Lesnar gets Chuck down to the ground, then it's all over for him. Chuck wouldn't be getting back up. Brock would just grind him out on the ground and then dummy him with hammer-fists.
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Post by ajstyles888 on Nov 23, 2008 10:16:53 GMT -5
I'd love to see it. Anderson Silva for the win.
- SouthPaw
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Post by Bruiser Brody on Nov 29, 2008 23:25:51 GMT -5
Love Randy and I understand the logiv now but I would love to see Chuck vs. Silva. THat would be a hell of a stand up war.
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 30, 2008 7:58:22 GMT -5
Love Randy and I understand the logiv now but I would love to see Chuck vs. Silva. THat would be a hell of a stand up war. I doubt it. If anything, Silva will dodge dodge dodge, counter, go for the clinch, dirty box a little maybe, score a knee or two until Chuck staggers, wash rinse repeat. I see no way Lidell takes Silva/Lidell. Rashad picked him apart piece by piece, brick by brick, in terms of gameplan. Then he gave us the KO of 2008. I don't see Silva epicly KO'ing the Iceman, but I do see him using all of his skills to rapidly wear him down and then GNP a victory. |
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Post by ajstyles888 on Nov 30, 2008 10:12:43 GMT -5
I doubt it. If anything, Silva will dodge dodge dodge, counter, go for the clinch, dirty box a little maybe, score a knee or two until Chuck staggers, wash rinse repeat. I see no way Lidell takes Silva/Lidell. Rashad picked him apart piece by piece, brick by brick, in terms of gameplan. Then he gave us the KO of 2008. I don't see Silva epicly KO'ing the Iceman, but I do see him using all of his skills to rapidly wear him down and then GNP a victory. I agree 100 % - SouthPaw |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2008 15:38:59 GMT -5
Love Randy and I understand the logiv now but I would love to see Chuck vs. Silva. THat would be a hell of a stand up war. I doubt it. If anything, Silva will dodge dodge dodge, counter, go for the clinch, dirty box a little maybe, score a knee or two until Chuck staggers, wash rinse repeat. I see no way Lidell takes Silva/Lidell. Rashad picked him apart piece by piece, brick by brick, in terms of gameplan. Then he gave us the KO of 2008. I don't see Silva epicly KO'ing the Iceman, but I do see him using all of his skills to rapidly wear him down and then GNP a victory. I DO see Silva looking for the "epic KO" as you put it. Since his last fight he definately has something to prove even though he is still considered P4P king and is undefeated in the UFC. I think whoever his next fight is will be nothing but a highlight reel for Silva. So if Chuck is dumb enough to take the fight I feel sorry for him because it would be his last fight in the UFC. That is how silly Anderson would make him look. |
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 30, 2008 15:49:52 GMT -5
I doubt it. If anything, Silva will dodge dodge dodge, counter, go for the clinch, dirty box a little maybe, score a knee or two until Chuck staggers, wash rinse repeat. I see no way Lidell takes Silva/Lidell. Rashad picked him apart piece by piece, brick by brick, in terms of gameplan. Then he gave us the KO of 2008. I don't see Silva epicly KO'ing the Iceman, but I do see him using all of his skills to rapidly wear him down and then GNP a victory. I DO see Silva looking for the "epic KO" as you put it. Since his last fight he definately has something to prove even though he is still considered P4P king and is undefeated in the UFC. I think whoever his next fight is will be nothing but a highlight reel for Silva. So if Chuck is dumb enough to take the fight I feel sorry for him because it would be his last fight in the UFC. That is how silly Anderson would make him look. Even as a rabid Anderson Silva fan, I just don't think he has the power to bring us a Rashad-level KO. Unless he pulls another insane back-elbow. Silva's got power, no doubt, but just about all his GNP or TKO victories come from combo's. Leben got rocked with a triple-combo then got pummeled until he couldn't take any more.. Franklin (both times) was quickly worn down with vicious knees until Silva landed several "right on the button" shots and put him away. Silva's laser-aimed punch at Irvin sent him to the mat, but Silva's extra servings of cold fists in your face was what stopped Irvin cold. That said, I do think Silva will outclass Lidell so badly that it'll be pitiful. If Anderson could make RICH FRANKLIN look like a poor sap far out of his league (especially when Aderson did that weird Matrix-dodge crapin their second fight), I see maybe one in ten of the Iceman's punches actually landing, none of which do anything significant. Cote's fight definitely proved that Silva should work on pressing the action just a bit more since he's a predominantly counter-based fighter, but unless Lidell drastically changes his gameplan I see him being dumb enough to charge Silva, leaving himself open for a flurry of counter-based punches, kicks, and knees that quickly sends Chuck down and out. |
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Post by Sandy on Nov 30, 2008 16:32:05 GMT -5
I agree that Silva needs to come out aggressively in his next fight. Because everyone knows he is looking for the counter now. So they will just wait for him to make a move to see if HE makes the mistake...so he needs to just come out full speed just to throw them off.
I don't remember the matrix dodge **** in his second fight with Franklin..I'm going to have to go back and look at the fight again..but the takedown he got on Cote when Cote went in for the shoot was unbelievable. The guy is so quick it is just a treat to see him fight.
But I agree that he doesn't have one punch KO power with his hands..what I meant when I said he would get a highlight reel with his next fight is more with his feet and knees because I think those are his most dangerous weapons while striking.
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Post by PdW2kX on Nov 30, 2008 16:59:30 GMT -5
No doubt, no doubt. And while he didn't do any crazy back-bending stuff, I was referring to the spot in Silva/Franklin II were Silva started ducking and dodging.
That was my favorite part of the fight, IMO. Silva just stood there, waiting for Franklin to try something, and then just completely stuffed his punch attempts by dodging them with incredible ease.
If Silva can own Franklin that hard in terms of dodging, I don't see Lidell getting the chance to lay any serious leather on Silva's mug.
I agree that Silva will definitely earn himself a highlight reel using his knees and kicks if he takes on the Iceman. Silva's knees are just brutal: his positioning and impact are always stellar. The rib shots leave you open just enough for that big knee right onto the chin, and if you spend too much time trying to avoid the knockout knee, Silva will get you to the ground anyway by turning your stomach and ribs to mush.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Dec 1, 2008 20:48:02 GMT -5
Neither fight makes any sense other than from a strictly 'big name' standpoint.
No matter who wins between Randy and Chuck, neither would advance themselves any further as a heavyweight, and the loser, especially if Chuck were to lose, would be in a horrendous position career wise.
And then you have Silva vs. Liddell, which, while an intriguing matchup, would do nothing for Silva, being that he's the 185 pound champion and is not consistently campaigning at 205, and a win for Liddell would help him out, but certainly not in the 205 picture, because he'd be beating a guy who isn't even ranked in the weight class in question.
Look, I'm as big a fan of superfights as anybody, but when you start making matchups like a FOURTH Randy/Chuck fight, the transparency of the decision making process is more apparent than ever. Not to mention, I just don't want to see that fight. I want to see Chuck and Randy rebound from their recent losses by fighting fighters in their own weight class who they have NOT faced before. Sometimes the UFC plays things a little too close to the vest variety-wise in their matchmaking, and it uses up valuable time in the careers of guys like Chuck who really don't have much time left in the game. Chuck only has a year or two left at this rate I honestly think, and to have him waste his time fighting Randy again is just moronic. I want to see the most made of the twilight years of guys with great careers already like Chuck and Randy.
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Post by Sandy on Dec 1, 2008 22:23:36 GMT -5
But pretty much no matter who Liddell faces would be bad for him at this point. He can't hang with the guys at 205. As much as everyone hates Tito Ortiz, Tito has never lost three in a row..and has never been knocked out two times in a row. Chuck needs to go to HW. I think he would do a lot better there than he is doing at LHW.
So does Chuck stay at LHW and just try to rack up a few wins over some decent names? That is dangerous territory as well what if what happened to Matt Hughes happens to Chuck? Matt Hughes was supposed to walk into the fight with Thiago Alves and do a few trademark slams and GnP him to tko. I guarantee Dana White did not see Thiago throwing one of the sickest knees I have ever seen and completely stopping any talks of Matt Hughes in the title picture again.
The same would happen to Chuck. He needs to go to HW.
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