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Post by taihyll on Dec 4, 2008 17:03:31 GMT -5
recession? then explain my depression! Gas is cool but thats about it, no wheres hiring, my car fell apart and college will set me back a nice $70,000 which i dont even come close to having. Ugh...school should be free.
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Post by James Hetfield on Dec 4, 2008 17:06:06 GMT -5
Slappy being a hardass for no reason is just a gimmick, I tell you. Funny how he became the "Member of the Year" just by being foolish.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2008 17:49:22 GMT -5
I am single, but I do own a home. I make $35k a year more or less but because I sacrificed last year and the year before and the year before I have no debt except my house which I plan on paying off early. I'm not opposed to helping people out by teaching them what they need to do, giving them a pat on the back or a kick in the head or whatever it takes to motivate them. I just don't buy in to this mentality of "Poor me, I'm a victim. My life sucks and I just have to sit here and deal with it until someone fixes it for me." Bull ****! I think that's the number one reason you aren't hurting. I'm not saying you didn't work your ass off or anything but I notice it's mostly family's that are hurting. If you're single with no girlfriend or kids there is no reason you should be hurting for money. If you have a good job and have money just to spend on yourself then of course you won't feel like we are in a recession. I disagree. If I was married or had a girlfriend, then they would be working as well since my salary isn't enough to support two people. The average household income in the US is approximately $43k. If I was married and had a kid and we made $43k we'd be perfectly fine because I've put myself in a situation where I have no debt and I have a good job. I know guys who are single and who are struggling and who make more money than I do. They're up to their eyeballs in debt and can't see any more. I was in that situation 2-3 years ago and actually contemplated bankruptcy at one point. Now I've made some wise financial decisions to put me where I am. I have a good job because I worked for that job. I sent resumes to about 80% of the computer places in town before I found one that would hire me. I have no debt because I sacrificed to put myself in that situation. I know families right now who are killing it and families right now who are being killed. It's all about what decisions you make.
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Post by slappy on Dec 4, 2008 17:51:28 GMT -5
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2008 18:08:45 GMT -5
I know families right now who are killing it and families right now who are being killed. It's all about what decisions you make. In fairness, should the children of people who make poor decisions have to suffer and be given less opportunity than those who have parents who made good decisions? I just don't find that to be reasonable. I agree with you about people needing to take responsibility for themselves, but the innocent victims here are the kids who have done nothing wrong.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 4, 2008 18:37:53 GMT -5
I know families right now who are killing it and families right now who are being killed. It's all about what decisions you make. In fairness, should the children of people who make poor decisions have to suffer and be given less opportunity than those who have parents who made good decisions? I just don't find that to be reasonable. I agree with you about people needing to take responsibility for themselves, but the innocent victims here are the kids who have done nothing wrong. I know what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that kids always suffer/benefit from their parent's decisions. Chelsea Clinton graduated from college and was immediately offered a job with a NY law firm earning $130k a year. How many Stanford graduates are offered that kind of money straight out of school? There's no question she was offered that position because of who her parents are. That's the way life is. I've used the example before that when my parents were married they were flat broke. They had a car where the brakes didn't work and were using a card table and folding chairs as a dining room set. If I had been born then my life would've been radically different than me being born 3-4 years later when their financial situation had improved. Kids always suffer or benefit from their parents decisions. It's how the world works. **Holy Crap!! Did I really hit reply 10,000 times?? Boy is my index finger sore.**
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 4, 2008 23:05:47 GMT -5
I know what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that kids always suffer/benefit from their parent's decisions. Chelsea Clinton graduated from college and was immediately offered a job with a NY law firm earning $130k a year. How many Stanford graduates are offered that kind of money straight out of school? There's no question she was offered that position because of who her parents are. That's the way life is. I've used the example before that when my parents were married they were flat broke. They had a car where the brakes didn't work and were using a card table and folding chairs as a dining room set. If I had been born then my life would've been radically different than me being born 3-4 years later when their financial situation had improved. Kids always suffer or benefit from their parents decisions. It's how the world works. **Holy Crap!! Did I really hit reply 10,000 times?? Boy is my index finger sore.** Of course kids are always going to suffer from their parents' bad decisions... But by essentially saying " it" to the parents, we're also essentially saying " it" to the kids. It's not right.
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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Dec 4, 2008 23:37:54 GMT -5
Damn that graphi is depressing.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 5, 2008 9:29:50 GMT -5
I know what you're saying, but the fact of the matter is that kids always suffer/benefit from their parent's decisions. Chelsea Clinton graduated from college and was immediately offered a job with a NY law firm earning $130k a year. How many Stanford graduates are offered that kind of money straight out of school? There's no question she was offered that position because of who her parents are. That's the way life is. I've used the example before that when my parents were married they were flat broke. They had a car where the brakes didn't work and were using a card table and folding chairs as a dining room set. If I had been born then my life would've been radically different than me being born 3-4 years later when their financial situation had improved. Kids always suffer or benefit from their parents decisions. It's how the world works. **Holy Crap!! Did I really hit reply 10,000 times?? Boy is my index finger sore.** Of course kids are always going to suffer from their parents' bad decisions... But by essentially saying " it" to the parents, we're also essentially saying " it" to the kids. It's not right. I'm not saying it to the parents. I'm saying government handouts aren't the answer. The answer is people taking responsibility for their own actions and getting out of the cave, killing something and dragging it home. The problem is a mentality that there's no way to improve your situation other than to just sit around wait for someone to fix you. Get up off your ass and go fix yourself is what I'm saying. I'll gladly spend the time to teach you how and I'll gladly give you a pat on the back or a kick in the ass if that's what you need.
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Post by Reasoning through Questioning on Dec 5, 2008 11:04:41 GMT -5
Exactly Hulk. People do need to quit waiting on things and just get to it. Life doesn't wait for you. I would love for my school to be free. It isn't. I don't have a car right now because mine got totalled and my insurance won't pay enough for it. My mother has Huntington's disease(which means I have 50% chance) and I am trying to help her get things straightened out from 4 states away. To say that thinhgs are tough for me is an understatement. But I am not going to sit and whine and wait on the "gubment" to help me out. I'm helping myself. In 10 when I have my doctorate I'm gonna look back and think about how much these things helped me more than hindered. I would love for my children to have free school. I would love for everybody to get everything they need to succeed. You are given equal opportunity but nobody has to give you an equal outcome. You and you alone determine how you end up in life.
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