CSUMB84
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Post by CSUMB84 on Dec 29, 2008 23:03:45 GMT -5
Hey everyone,
I haven't posted here in a while and would like to get your thoughts on something I recently read.
I just got done reading Terry Funk's autobiography and he touched on something that made me think. He says in his book that he feels him and Mick Foley could have prevented Owen's tragic accident had they spoken up a year earlier.
Funk cited an incident in 1998 where a then WWF technician or crew member forgot to put the cap on his Chainsaw when he went out to the ring as Chainsaw Charlie and as he was flinging and waving his chainsaw around, the gasoline going on him but he didn't realize it until he tried to get a spark going from the Chainsaw, which was frozen and had a grinder on it. He said by the grace of God that the Chainsaw didn't get a spark [even though he kept trying to get one after realizing what the foul odor was] or else he would have ignited.
A second incident was Foley and Taker's Hell in a Cell match where who ever was suppose to re-enforce the cage, did a miserable job as the spot was to see Foley take the chokeslam on top of the cell and not go through the roof of the cell.
A third incident was the tag-team dumpster match at Mania 14 where someone managed to miss a giant 2-by-12 plank in the bottom of the dumpster and when Funk and Road Dogg went into the dumpster during their big spot, they landed right on the board and to this day, Funk has no muscle tone in the right cheek of his rear and it is just an indentation of where he once had a rear cheek.
Funk went on to say that he doesn't know if those people were involved in Owen's accident but he has felt that had him and Foley spoke up and said something during those incidents and made them a bigger deal, maybe the company would have looked more carefully at everything else they did after that, including Owen's stunt into the ring a year later, instead of Owen dying as a result of the "pressed for time" attitude during the Monday Night Wars.
Just something to think about.
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Post by Hazza on Dec 30, 2008 8:58:58 GMT -5
Never imagined the Hell in a Cell spot wasn't planned
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Post by Gangrel-Brood on Dec 30, 2008 10:33:34 GMT -5
I can't understand why Taker commensed slamming Foley through the roof when the top was crumbling under their body weight alone.
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Post by JedsWorld on Dec 30, 2008 10:47:44 GMT -5
A Flaming Chaninsaw Charlie !!
And I thought the chokeslam through the roof of the cell was a Planned spot as when watching the footage you can see that pannel was only held with 2 small clips.
Terry Funk is a crazy old man and even if he did speak up it wouldn't of changed anything at all.
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Post by Chicago on Dec 30, 2008 14:19:34 GMT -5
I don't think speaking up would have had much of an influence, but I guess we'll never know for sure now.
I've known about the HIAC spot for several years, and it still amazes me how Foley was able to take such vicious falls and be able to stand afterwards. I had never known about Funk's near-accident, though, and I'm glad for his sake that the chainsaw didn't cause any harm, because that was such a ridiculous character to begin with and it never was needed at the time.
It sucks about the dumpster match, too, as I never knew about the plank either. Needless to say, Funk and Foley are fortunate to still be alive, let alone walking, after all of the stunts they've endured.
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Post by moogie101 on Dec 30, 2008 18:40:50 GMT -5
Don't see how it's relevant, I thought the people behind the Owen "stunt" were new to the company. I'm sure that is what Russo says in his shoot vid
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Post by decadofdistruction on Dec 31, 2008 5:19:27 GMT -5
Russo is a dumb ass dude!
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Post by raz2005uk on Dec 31, 2008 11:17:08 GMT -5
to be fair, even if Funk did speak up on safety issues, WWE management would have ignored him....
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 2, 2009 1:20:18 GMT -5
I just started wondering something...
See, while watching the McMahon DVD, some wrestlers were talking about spots, and Edge said that he knows Vince wouldn't tell him do to something he (Vince) wouldn't do. And I forgot if Edge or someone else talked about Michaels entrance at WM XII. They showed a clip of Vince doing it first so he was sure Michaels would be okay. Now, I wonder if Vince did they same with Owen... it is most likely that he didn't, but why he did it with Michaels' stunt and not Owen's? And if he did, how come did Owen ended in an accident?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 9:08:10 GMT -5
Funk is nuts.he stated himslf that the "thru the roof"spot in HIAC was planned.......it was made out to be a genuine accident to placate Foleys wife who was havin an effin fit about it backstage
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Post by Sims on Jan 2, 2009 11:40:38 GMT -5
I just started wondering something... See, while watching the McMahon DVD, some wrestlers were talking about spots, and Edge said that he knows Vince wouldn't tell him do to something he (Vince) wouldn't do. And I forgot if Edge or someone else talked about Michaels entrance at WM XII. They showed a clip of Vince doing it first so he was sure Michaels would be okay. Now, I wonder if Vince did they same with Owen... it is most likely that he didn't, but why he did it with Michaels' stunt and not Owen's? And if he did, how come did Owen ended in an accident? He planned it all! No but seriously I wonder that all the time.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 2, 2009 19:23:24 GMT -5
I just started wondering something... See, while watching the McMahon DVD, some wrestlers were talking about spots, and Edge said that he knows Vince wouldn't tell him do to something he (Vince) wouldn't do. And I forgot if Edge or someone else talked about Michaels entrance at WM XII. They showed a clip of Vince doing it first so he was sure Michaels would be okay. Now, I wonder if Vince did they same with Owen... it is most likely that he didn't, but why he did it with Michaels' stunt and not Owen's? And if he did, how come did Owen ended in an accident? He planned it all! No but seriously I wonder that all the time. Didn't Owen actually do the stunt as practice before the show? So Vince doing would have been pointless.
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Post by DTP. on Jan 2, 2009 19:26:58 GMT -5
Owen was practising all day long.
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Post by K5 on Jan 2, 2009 22:55:03 GMT -5
owen didn't want to do it, but did because he was already on thin ice for refusing to participate in some racy storyline. many looked at him being the blue blazer as punishment.
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Post by user9327 on Jan 3, 2009 17:43:03 GMT -5
I had read in Martha's book (Owen's wife) that Vince did do the stunt as a means to convince Owen it was safe. Not at the site where he died, but in the past before the gimmick was starting to do that. I could be wrong but maybe Vince did do it at the site......
Martha's account of everything is chilling. Especially how Vince called her to tell her and then wouldn't really speak to her much and said he'd call her back, then had his wife call her back.
Owen ducking out of practice for the stunt is chilling as well. Apprarently he ducked out of the arena for 2 hours and came back and Vince was still waiting for him to do the stunt. I could be wrong because I was reading this book periodically in the book store but I think Vince may have done the stunt when Owen returned or they told Owen Vince just did it, it's safe.
In my personal opinion, I think there was a rift between Owen and Vince and it caused some possible macho unsaid personal fued. But, I do NOT think Vince would stage the accident or try to hurt the guy.
Sad, anyway you look at it.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jan 7, 2009 13:12:31 GMT -5
Vince has no respect for Funk, we've had that discussion, and he wouldn't listen to anything that crazy old bloke had to say.
I love Terry Funk, long live the Funker!
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