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Post by racingjason on Jan 6, 2009 13:30:47 GMT -5
I've been a loyal WWE fan for over twenty years and I have to say this. John Cena is no worse then Hogan, Austin, or Rock. None of them had a great move set. Rock threw more punches then anything. Austin's move set was better before he became champ. And please don't get me started on Hogan's moves. If that was the case the Malenko would have been the best ever. Or even Lance Storm. I feel people started bashing Cena and then it became the "COOL" thing to do. He could be a lot worse if you ask me.
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Post by Iron Man on Jan 6, 2009 13:32:56 GMT -5
I don't hate Cena because its "Cool" i dislike his character because of the really corny promo's and his current gimmick/character. I am more into the badass take not crapface ala Austin, Rock, HHH or the badass heel ala Edge, Orton. I can't stand the stupid Promo's Cena cuts. He sounds so robotic and forced as hell.
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Post by racingjason on Jan 6, 2009 13:35:49 GMT -5
I prefer the badass gimmicks as well. Triple H is the best. But promo wise Hogan's where the worst.
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Post by jfinnomore on Jan 6, 2009 13:36:04 GMT -5
Hogan, The Rock, and Austin could work a mic like few we've seen before. To even put Cena in their mic skills category is an insult to the greats. Also The Rock actually sold moves and I was actually convinced when he applied submissions that they were actually hurting his opponent. I personally have no problem with Cena at all, but to put him in the ranks with those names is silly and absurd.
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Post by racingjason on Jan 6, 2009 13:40:26 GMT -5
Rock didn't really sell moves at all. look at Wrestlemania two stunners and multiple chair shots just for Austin to win.
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Post by Heresy on Jan 6, 2009 14:10:40 GMT -5
^ It's called dramatic effect
Simplicity of moveset is just about the only point you could argue as far as Cena being no worse than Rock/Austin/Hogan. The latter had every audience eating from the palm of their hands, and wrestling was at its height. Cena is lucky to still have people cheering him after one of his vintage eye-roll-inducing promos. I don't know how people can compare... Cena will always be the least talented guy on the level of Hart/Undertaker/Michaels/Angle/Trips.
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Post by JTG on Jan 6, 2009 14:33:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly don't like the character because it's old/stale and repetative. Plus his promos are cringworthy most of the time. Now, I'm not sure if it's the writers or if he gets to wing it out there (probobly not) but he goes off on rants like Stone Cold or The Rock would do, but he makes them cheesy and it's really hard to watch. He isn't funny a lot of the time. If they gave him more of an edge to his promo's like he use to have then his promo's wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are now.
And have you seen The Rock sell those stunners? The man does a damn backflip almost!
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on Jan 6, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5
The Rock is way better in the ring..He was to busy versing guys like Austin,HHH..Watch him VS Jericho at Vengeance..
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Post by WalterF on Jan 6, 2009 15:51:10 GMT -5
Moveset wise, maybe Cena was comparable to Hogan and Austin later on, but I don't think he has the uniqueness otherwise. His promos are very whitemeat babyface and generic and his gimmick is just no good to me.
He is also not as universally over as Austin or Hogan were. Kidwise, yes he is extremely over, but he doesnt have the undivided love from the fans that Austin or Hogan had.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 6, 2009 16:06:22 GMT -5
Did you just say Cena is no better than Austin or Rock, LMFAO! You must have just started watching wrestling because if you did watch wrestling 10 years ago, you would know that that statment is beyond laughable. It is not all about a moveset, it is about the ability to put on a great match, which Cena can't do 90% of the time. And plus unlike Cena, Rock and Austin would throw in different moves every now and then and change up the order of the moves they did, Cena does the same moves without adding anything different and usually in around the same order. But like I said it is not about how big the movset is, it is how you use the moveset to put on a good match.
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Post by Keyboard Cat on Jan 6, 2009 16:17:25 GMT -5
I swear. At least every three day's a thread defending/hatting/praising John Cena is made.
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Post by joeytribbianirules on Jan 6, 2009 16:23:46 GMT -5
Did you just say Cena is no better than Austin or Rock, LMFAO! You must have just started watching wrestling because if you did watch wrestling 10 years ago, you would know that that statment is beyond laughable. It is not all about a moveset, it is about the ability to put on a great match, which Cena can't do 90% of the time. And plus unlike Cena, Rock and Austin would throw in different moves every now and then and change up the order of the moves they did, Cena does the same moves without adding anything different and usually in around the same order. But like I said it is not about how big the movset is, it is how you use the moveset to put on a good match. Agreed, while Rock and Austin weren't the most techically sound wrestlers, they could at least make an exciting match. With Cena it's Punch, Punch, Clothesline, Punch, Get Beaten up for a while, no-sell, F-U/STFU, Win. |
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Post by Groundswell on Jan 6, 2009 16:25:46 GMT -5
I preferred Cena as the cowardly heel on Smackdown, Y'Know, Vintage John Cena.
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Post by John™ on Jan 6, 2009 16:29:04 GMT -5
I just hate cena cause he always wins every title match hes in.
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Post by joeytribbianirules on Jan 6, 2009 16:33:30 GMT -5
I preferred Cena as the cowardly heel on Smackdown, Y'Know, Vintage John Cena. Yeah, vintage Cena was awesome. His vintage raps are way better than his stupid promos he does today. |
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Post by axemurderer on Jan 6, 2009 17:45:45 GMT -5
ENOUGH OF THESE F-UCKING THREADS ALREADY PLEASE !!
its annoying to have all these threads about pro and anti Cena..we know he is only liked by kids and girls, he sucks on the mic, he sucks in the ring and he is forced down our throats...
we know that he is no different than Hogan, Hart, Austin, Rock, HBK as they are ALL THE SAME OVER AND OVER again as well.
get over it ...CENA IS GOING TO BE AROUND FOR A LONG LONG TIME !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by fishzilla on Jan 6, 2009 17:49:15 GMT -5
Vintage cena was cool, and trust me, if he had that gimmick right now, he would be over with the Vintage IWC.
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Post by "Vintage" HBK Still Rules on Jan 6, 2009 18:01:27 GMT -5
I don't hate him, it's just that he's been the same guy for 4 years. "I'm John Cena and I'm going to beat you up for the fans!"
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Post by racingjason on Jan 6, 2009 18:07:25 GMT -5
I'm just saying Hogan was as boring as anyone I've seen. He didn't sell squat His promos where crap. As for Austin nobody could hold a candle to what he did. But I would take WCW stunning Steve over Stone cold any day. And for the Rock promo wise most was just catch phrases left and right. My point was that maybe WWE doesn't Push a move set as much as they should. Cena might be able to do more then they want him to.
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Post by lancewiget on Jan 6, 2009 18:17:15 GMT -5
As you're "new" somewhat, you're going to have to accept the fact that as soon as it's cool to hate someone, 85% of this forum will bandwagon and start hating. We're currently in the Cena phase. Before him, it was Lashley. You'll probably witness a few more in your tenure here.
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