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Post by Codesters on Feb 16, 2009 0:00:33 GMT -5
MMAMANIA
“I was sad after that loss and a lot of things were going through my head. But I woke up one day and said, ‘You know what? I’m still the lightweight champ. Let’s keep fighting.’ … That will probably be this summer, so that’s my focus now…. After I defend my belt and he defends his belt, I’d love to do it again. Mostly because of the controversy. I just want it to be clean — no questions, no controversy.”
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Hell Yeah Bj, get back on that horse.
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 16, 2009 0:04:33 GMT -5
It's obvious he just said those things because he lost. But believe it or not, I would like to see another Penn vs. GSP match without any kind of issue with the Vaseline, so there will be no questions.
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 16, 2009 0:10:40 GMT -5
It's obvious he just said those things because he lost. But believe it or not, I would like to see another Penn vs. GSP match without any kind of issue with the Vaseline, so there will be no questions. I would also not only for that but because every fued usually gets a trilogy of matches.... Im glad to hear J wants to fight still... |
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Post by johnnymalloy on Feb 16, 2009 2:01:24 GMT -5
It's good that BJ descided to start fixing his image. I mean coming out of the St. Pierre fight he looked almost as bad as going into the fight.
I'm looking forward to seeing GSP beat him again, after Florian does.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 16, 2009 5:23:17 GMT -5
I can't believe Penn actually wants to fight GSP again after taking one of the worst beatings I've ever seen. He must be a glutton for punishment and likes getting his ass kicked. You will NEVER convince me that a little vaseline on GSP's back/chest helped him win that  ing fight because that's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. It's just another excuse Penn can use during his smack-talk video for the next UFC event when they do fight again. GSP will beat him again and hopefully Penn doesn't go crying to the athletic commission or whatever and comes up with yet another lame excuse why he lost. He lost fair & square last time and he'll lose again. GSP is clearly the better fighter. He's beat Penn twice and it will be a 3-0 shut out for GSP next time. Mark my words. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 16, 2009 5:58:06 GMT -5
I can't believe Penn actually wants to fight GSP again after taking one of the worst beatings I've ever seen. He must be a glutton for punishment and likes getting his ass kicked. You will NEVER convince me that a little vaseline on GSP's back/chest helped him win that ing fight because that's the biggest pile of crap I've ever heard. It's just another excuse Penn can use during his smack-talk video for the next UFC event when they do fight again. GSP will beat him again and hopefully Penn doesn't go crying to the athletic commission or whatever and comes up with yet another lame excuse why he lost. He lost fair & square last time and he'll lose again. GSP is clearly the better fighter. He's beat Penn twice and it will be a 3-0 shut out for GSP next time. Mark my words. I understand that the vaseline has nothing to do with Penn losing and he lost ffair and square but why does it suprise you that he wants a rematch? He is a fighter! Thats what he does.. Maybe you would be a big enough bitch to avoid a third match with someone you lost too but a fighter will fight anyone any time. Im not saying I think Penn will win if they had a rematch but look at Rampage. He got DESTROYED worse than Penn did and he KTFO Wandy. I honestly dont even think they should have a rematch. I think Penn should stick to LW. But if there was a rematch Id be interested in seeing it... |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 16, 2009 6:39:13 GMT -5
^ I know Penn is a fighter, come on here. And he's a damn good one at that. One of the best. I'm not taking anything away from the guy. But his fight with St. Pierre last time was so one-sided and he took so much of a beating his cornermen stopped the fight on his behalf, that there isn't any need for any sort of re-match regardless if there was controversy or not. If I lost like the way Penn lost, there's no way I would want to fight that guy again for a 3rd time. I mean, it was a such a decisive beating, what else is there to prove?? If Penn loses to GSP for a 3rd time, which I believe he will, he should bow out and retire because he'll never beat GSP. It's just not in his cards. It's like other feuds. Chuck/Rampage. Rampage has beat Chuck twice and I don't believe Chuck will ever beat Rampage. Then there's Chuck/Tito. Chuck's beat Tito twice and Tito will never beat Chuck. And of course, Penn/St. Pierre. Georges has beat him twice so far and he'll do it a 3rd time to seal the deal. Did you not see how awesome GSP looked in that ing fight?? He looked unstoppable and Penn looked like a beat-up, piece of garbage. It seemed the longer the fight went, the stronger GSP was getting. At the end of the 4th when GSP sprung to his feet and punched the cage on his way to his corner and Penn was gassed and trashed slumping to his corner. That is what I am talking about. GSP looked FAR superior than Penn in the 2nd fight. Like I said, it was a such a one-sided beating the whole fight, that you would think Penn would've had enough and wouldn't want to fight him again, regardless of the controversy. But I guess he likes losing and getting his ass handed to him. He's going down again and hopefully he never fights GSP again after losing to him for a 3rd time. |
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Post by johnnymalloy on Feb 16, 2009 7:29:51 GMT -5
I honestly dont even think they should have a rematch. I think Penn should stick to LW. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 16, 2009 7:56:21 GMT -5
Here's a question. If the vaseline/grease was ANY sort of factor in the fight, why didn't B.J. Penn say something to referee Herb Dean about it?? Or say something to his cornermen?? Or let it be known in any way, shape or form?? I just watched a replay of the whole fight and at the end of the first when GSP is in his corner, you can see one of his trainers applying vaseline to his face, shoulders, chest and back. He was just getting a normal rubdown like any fighter would. Greg Jackson was right there, if there was any wrong-doing. He would've saw it first hand. At the end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, you can briefly see one of GSP's cornermen in the red jackets take a white towel and wipe the water/vaseline off GSP's back. If there was an excessive amount of vaseline, it was gone after he wiped it off GSP at the end of the 2nd. Just watch the clip on Youtube and you'll see. I'm sure it's there. This whole vaseline controversy is a big joke and I can't believe B.J. Penn is blaming THAT of all things, as to why he lost that fight. Why can't he just admit that he got his ass kicked fair & square and that GSP is a better fighter?? If the vaseline was a factor, B.J. Penn had 15 ing minutes out there to say something to referee Herb Dean or his cornermen or whoever about it and something could've been done then. But he waits until after the fact to complain about it when he should've said something at the end of the 2nd if it was a factor. The vaseline was NOT a factor in that fight at all and you will never convince me that it was. It's just a cheap way out for B.J. Penn to complain about something and use another excuse why he lost. If Penn wants to lose for a 3rd straight time, let them fight. I'd love to see it. Another beating at the hands of GSP. Can't wait!! |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Feb 16, 2009 11:45:12 GMT -5
Here's a question. If the vaseline/grease was ANY sort of factor in the fight, why didn't B.J. Penn say something to referee Herb Dean about it?? Or say something to his cornermen?? Or let it be known in any way, shape or form?? I just watched a replay of the whole fight and at the end of the first when GSP is in his corner, you can see one of his trainers applying vaseline to his face, shoulders, chest and back. He was just getting a normal rubdown like any fighter would. Greg Jackson was right there, if there was any wrong-doing. He would've saw it first hand. At the end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, you can briefly see one of GSP's cornermen in the red jackets take a white towel and wipe the water/vaseline off GSP's back. If there was an excessive amount of vaseline, it was gone after he wiped it off GSP at the end of the 2nd. Just watch the clip on Youtube and you'll see. I'm sure it's there. This whole vaseline controversy is a big joke and I can't believe B.J. Penn is blaming THAT of all things, as to why he lost that fight. Why can't he just admit that he got his ass kicked fair & square and that GSP is a better fighter?? If the vaseline was a factor, B.J. Penn had 15 ing minutes out there to say something to referee Herb Dean or his cornermen or whoever about it and something could've been done then. But he waits until after the fact to complain about it when he should've said something at the end of the 2nd if it was a factor. The vaseline was NOT a factor in that fight at all and you will never convince me that it was. It's just a cheap way out for B.J. Penn to complain about something and use another excuse why he lost. If Penn wants to lose for a 3rd straight time, let them fight. I'd love to see it. Another beating at the hands of GSP. Can't wait!! Basically, this.. Penn is just a whiny little bitch, looking to blame the loss to GSP, on anything other than his own failings.. |
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Post by James Hetfield on Feb 16, 2009 13:39:55 GMT -5
Here's a question. If the vaseline/grease was ANY sort of factor in the fight, why didn't B.J. Penn say something to referee Herb Dean about it?? Or say something to his cornermen?? Or let it be known in any way, shape or form?? I just watched a replay of the whole fight and at the end of the first when GSP is in his corner, you can see one of his trainers applying vaseline to his face, shoulders, chest and back. He was just getting a normal rubdown like any fighter would. Greg Jackson was right there, if there was any wrong-doing. He would've saw it first hand. At the end of the 2nd and 3rd rounds, you can briefly see one of GSP's cornermen in the red jackets take a white towel and wipe the water/vaseline off GSP's back. If there was an excessive amount of vaseline, it was gone after he wiped it off GSP at the end of the 2nd. Just watch the clip on Youtube and you'll see. I'm sure it's there. This whole vaseline controversy is a big joke and I can't believe B.J. Penn is blaming THAT of all things, as to why he lost that fight. Why can't he just admit that he got his ass kicked fair & square and that GSP is a better fighter?? If the vaseline was a factor, B.J. Penn had 15 ing minutes out there to say something to referee Herb Dean or his cornermen or whoever about it and something could've been done then. But he waits until after the fact to complain about it when he should've said something at the end of the 2nd if it was a factor. The vaseline was NOT a factor in that fight at all and you will never convince me that it was. It's just a cheap way out for B.J. Penn to complain about something and use another excuse why he lost. If Penn wants to lose for a 3rd straight time, let them fight. I'd love to see it. Another beating at the hands of GSP. Can't wait!! Penn's cornermen did let the commission know after they noticed it in the first round, which is why the guy from the commission came into the octagon to stop GSP's guys from putting the Vaseline on his back and chest. Just for the record, it's pretty well known that Vaseline can't be removed from the skin unless you have alcohol to wash it off with. A towel isn't going to do much. On top of that, if you sweat and have vaseline on you, you are actually making your body more slippery, so it would do good things for you. I don't think the whole greasing thing was a HUGE factor in Penn losing, but I do think there were a few instances in the fight where it could have been used to GSP's advantage. |
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Feb 16, 2009 14:31:16 GMT -5
You are entitled to your own opinion, as am I. There isn't any way on this earth that B.J. Penn lost that fight due to the small amount of vaseline that was on Georges St. Pierre. He lost because for 4 straight rounds, he was beaten down by a better, stronger fighter. All there is to it.
The vaseline played no factor in that fight what-so-ever and just the meer thought that it did is beyond ridiculous.
If I were a B.J. Penn fan and I heard him use that flimsy excuse, I'd be ashamed of myself for being a fan of his because that is pathetic. End of story.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 16, 2009 14:34:20 GMT -5
He's beat Penn twice and it will be a 3-0 shut out for GSP next time. Mark my words. The first fight, one could argue, should have gone to BJ Penn. It was a split decision where GSP didn't inflict any sort of damage whatsoever. |
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 16, 2009 16:08:45 GMT -5
You are entitled to your own opinion, as am I. There isn't any way on this earth that B.J. Penn lost that fight due to the small amount of vaseline that was on Georges St. Pierre. He lost because for 4 straight rounds, he was beaten down by a better, stronger fighter. All there is to it. The vaseline played no factor in that fight what-so-ever and just the meer thought that it did is beyond ridiculous. If I were a B.J. Penn fan and I heard him use that flimsy excuse, I'd be ashamed of myself for being a fan of his because that is pathetic. End of story. NO.... You like to think the vaseline played no part but WHATEVER you say no matter what the vaseline was used and there will always be that what if question which is why I dont doubt this fight happening. |
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Post by moogie101 on Feb 16, 2009 17:04:23 GMT -5
First off, great BJ is back to fighting after all the possible retirement rumours.
HOWEVER, the beating he took from GSP shows that the skill level at the top of the food chain is so high that moving up in weight is generally a bad move, as I believe Anderson will be teaching Mr GSP by the end of the year.
BJ needs to focus on the lightweight division, clear out the few credible fights left & then either convince Dana to bring in more top level fighters to keep him motivated or head off to Japan.
The 155 division is where BJ belongs & the placve where he will create a legacy for himself, jumping about in weight is just going to see him get battered & unmotivated.
I'd prefer to see Dana bring in guys like Hansen, Alvarez, Aoki, Imanari etc as these are fights that BJ could show the world just how good he is.
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Post by Sandy on Feb 17, 2009 2:02:07 GMT -5
for everyone who is in favor of another GSP/Penn fight...do you guys know how intellectually- disabled it will look if Penn loses 3 times in a row to GSP? It will look as bad as Shamrock/Ortiz.
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Post by NYdream™ on Feb 17, 2009 6:09:28 GMT -5
for everyone who is in favor of another GSP/Penn fight...do you guys know how intellectually- disabled it will look if Penn loses 3 times in a row to GSP? It will look as bad as Shamrock/Ortiz. I wouldnt be suprised if a Penn GSP 3 fight happened but I dont want it to at all.... I just dont!  as I stated before.. I agree with you he will be on a slippery slope to being Ken Shamrock.. |
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 17, 2009 9:54:41 GMT -5
for everyone who is in favor of another GSP/Penn fight...do you guys know how intellectually- disabled it will look if Penn loses 3 times in a row to GSP? It will look as bad as Shamrock/Ortiz. Except, BJ can actually beat other good fighters. |
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Post by johnnymalloy on Feb 17, 2009 10:51:48 GMT -5
Penn vs. (Ken) Shamrock 2015 UFC 197 "THE COMEBACK"
in which Ken will get cut before the fight, and Penn will get knocked out by Ken's replacement Seth Petruzzeli. BJ will then say that the fight wasn't fair, because Seth is a cyborg, and his corner were adding motoroil inbetween rounds.
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Post by Bruiser Brody on Feb 17, 2009 15:45:42 GMT -5
Love BJ, glad he is back to business.
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