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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 18, 2009 3:18:04 GMT -5
sources: Wrestling Observer Newsletter, PWInsider.com
-- Among the wrestlers, there was an immediate negative reaction on TNA parting ways with Petey Williams, who the company decided to let go last week. There was resentment in the cut as Williams was seen as guy who always worked hard and never did anything wrong, while other wrestlers who don't give it their all and are often causing trouble aren't going to be let go. There had been pushes for TNA to start letting some talent go because a number of guys have been in the company for several years and they had no idea how to use them anymore, so they were essentially clogging up space on the roster.
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Post by The Dude on Feb 18, 2009 4:12:53 GMT -5
So TNA is pretty much starting to become more and more like WWE. WWE always releases people when they have nothing for them. Isn't it creative's job to FIND something for them?
Why would they release Petey???
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Post by Gene on Feb 18, 2009 4:19:32 GMT -5
If they need space release BG James, Cute Shit, Shark Boy, Matt Margan and any other wrestler who can be replaced by someone with talent.
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 18, 2009 4:51:46 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to.
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Post by pineappleexpress on Feb 18, 2009 7:00:15 GMT -5
Why was Petey let go? Was it creative differences?
The whole thing seems pretty quizzical to me. He seemed like a great talent.
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Post by dmallett4 on Feb 18, 2009 8:19:06 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to. Then negotiate the contract. They managed to negotiate a, i presume, higher paid contract to foley, to team 3D, kevin nash, yet couldnt agree terms with Petey. Same thing goes with Gail Kim, they found money to hire someone else, but then couldnt agree terms with Kim. |
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Post by Iron Man on Feb 18, 2009 9:49:08 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to. then how about giving him a better contract. ya know like they offer Nash who does shit, or 3D, or Foley |
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Post by deskjet on Feb 18, 2009 12:32:11 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to. SG, this is just your subtle way of defending TNA again. Let's be strait here, This, again, is TNA's fault and you need to stop suggesting this is somehow Petey's doing. Petey's not a hulk Hogan, or Angle where he can push his stroke around to gain leverage. If tna wanted him bad enuff they woulda signed him...bottom line, he was no longer of value to them, yet sara stock or wahtever and kelly madison were some how worth the money to put into a clustered divsion. Stars need to be upset when you're releasing good talent. This falls squarely on creatives shoulders. It's there job to find something for their guy to do. ur tellin me that they have a use for SB and EY and suicide but not Petey? come on! |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Feb 18, 2009 12:42:32 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to. SG, this is just your subtle way of defending TNA again. Let's be strait here, This, again, is TNA's fault and you need to stop suggesting this is somehow Petey's doing. Petey's not a hulk Hogan, or Angle where he can push his stroke around to gain leverage. If tna wanted him bad enuff they woulda signed him...bottom line, he was no longer of value to them, yet sara stock or wahtever and kelly madison were some how worth the money to put into a clustered divsion. Stars need to be upset when you're releasing good talent. This falls squarely on creatives shoulders. It's there job to find something for their guy to do. ur tellin me that they have a use for SB and EY and suicide but not Petey? come on! But if the point of a business is to make money, and a talent isn't exactly the draw of the company and if the talent decides to leave and not renew a contract, why bother? Yes Petey was a great talent, yes TNA dropped the ball immensely with Gail Kim, but the two are totally different issues. Gail Kim drew ratings, Petey did not. Plain and simple. Why waste time trying to renew something for someone who doesn't want it and doesn't really add unless given a reason which at the time creative didn't have. Albeit dumb that creative couldn't find a role for a great talent like Petey, but that doesn't mean that TNA should have given Petey the time of day you give someone like Foley. |
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Post by deskjet on Feb 18, 2009 12:55:04 GMT -5
SG, this is just your subtle way of defending TNA again. Let's be strait here, This, again, is TNA's fault and you need to stop suggesting this is somehow Petey's doing. Petey's not a hulk Hogan, or Angle where he can push his stroke around to gain leverage. If tna wanted him bad enuff they woulda signed him...bottom line, he was no longer of value to them, yet sara stock or wahtever and kelly madison were some how worth the money to put into a clustered divsion. Stars need to be upset when you're releasing good talent. This falls squarely on creatives shoulders. It's there job to find something for their guy to do. ur tellin me that they have a use for SB and EY and suicide but not Petey? come on! But if the point of a business is to make money, and a talent isn't exactly the draw of the company and if the talent decides to leave and not renew a contract, why bother? Yes Petey was a great talent, yes TNA dropped the ball immensely with Gail Kim, but the two are totally different issues. Gail Kim drew ratings, Petey did not. Plain and simple. Why waste time trying to renew something for someone who doesn't want it and doesn't really add unless given a reason which at the time creative didn't have. Albeit dumb that creative couldn't find a role for a great talent like Petey, but that doesn't mean that TNA should have given Petey the time of day you give someone like Foley. Please explain to me which acquisition in the last 5 years has garnered significant ratings and is helping to increase those ratings now? I'm not trying to be smart, im just sayin, there's a bigger problem here. |
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 18, 2009 15:16:10 GMT -5
It also wasn't just that. They didn't go up to Petey and go "YOUR FIRED!". They offered him a new contract, he didn't like it/want to re-sign, they can't force him to. SG, this is just your subtle way of defending TNA again. Let's be strait here, This, again, is TNA's fault and you need to stop suggesting this is somehow Petey's doing. Petey's not a hulk Hogan, or Angle where he can push his stroke around to gain leverage. If tna wanted him bad enuff they woulda signed him...bottom line, he was no longer of value to them, yet sara stock or wahtever and kelly madison were some how worth the money to put into a clustered divsion. Stars need to be upset when you're releasing good talent. This falls squarely on creatives shoulders. It's there job to find something for their guy to do. ur tellin me that they have a use for SB and EY and suicide but not Petey? come on! Who's to say that Petey didn't WANT to re-sign? You can't hold a gun to their head and say "SIGN THIS CONTRACT!" and then they don't you blow their brains out. I'm not "defending" TNA by no means. I wasn't there, you wasn't there, and until Petey Williams says what happended - I'm not going to get all ticked off at TNA over a release that the wrestler himself decided to leave TNA. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Feb 18, 2009 19:24:35 GMT -5
So TNA is pretty much starting to become more and more like WWE. WWE always releases people when they have nothing for them. Isn't it creative's job to FIND something for them? Why would they release Petey??? Can't find something for everyone... |
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Post by Grapple Arcade on Feb 18, 2009 19:53:37 GMT -5
Spawn hit the nail on the head, nash and foley sell tshirts and are credible names all over the world. Although Petey is a MINT wrestler, he isnt the face of peoples tshirts. He as a worker does not sell as much merch as nash and foley. SIMPLE AS THAT.
Although i agree, there were other options in terms of who to release... although if:
BG James = 500 clams a year
Kip = 500 clams a year
Petey = 500 clams a year
and if TNA said:
"Petey, your eating too many clams man, you need to cut down to 400 clams you fishy freak"
Petey:
"Whoa man, dont take my clams, infact i want 872 clams... A MONTH"
TNA:
"Petey, there arnt enough clams in the sea my friend, its time to do one".
Petey may have got greedy!
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Post by tnafan4life on Feb 18, 2009 19:55:12 GMT -5
Spawn hit the nail on the head, nash and foley sell tshirts and are credible names all over the world. Although Petey is a MINT wrestler, he isnt the face of peoples tshirts. He as a worker does not sell as much merch as nash and foley. SIMPLE AS THAT. Although i agree, there were other options in terms of who to release... although if: BG James = 500 clams a year Kip = 500 clams a year Petey = 500 clams a year and if TNA said: "Petey, your eating too many clams man, you need to cut down to 400 clams you fishy freak" Petey: "Whoa man, dont take my clams, infact i want 872 clams... A MONTH" TNA: "Petey, there arnt enough clams in the sea my friend, its time to do one". Petey may have got greedy! No, no my friend. TNA fired him - simple as that.  |
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Post by abyss on Feb 18, 2009 19:58:39 GMT -5
SG, I'm sure TNA didn't want Petey back. It was probably a situation where his contract was up, but TNA didn't want to re-sign him. That's not firing him, but it shows that they don't want him. There wouldn't be this report, as well as other reports about TNA cutting down on the roster, only for it to be revealed that Petey didn't want to re-sign.
The bottom line is that at this point, I'd rather have Petey Williams than Kevin Nash. Nash is a bigger name and what not, but for however much they are paying for him to be on board, I sincerely doubt he is making that money back for TNA.
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Post by warmachine76 on Feb 18, 2009 20:19:24 GMT -5
Petey Williams is not a big loss for TNA. He was an excellent in ring performer but that is pretty much where his talent train stops. His promo ability is limited and his look pre and post Scott Steiner wasn't all that great. Really the only thing that set Petey apart from any other boring wrestler was the Canadian Destroyer. I still think the CD is one of the slickest looking finishers out there but it is a limiting move at the same time. There are only so many guys that can make that move work with Petey. I've always believed that he should have found a new finisher that he could use with the bigger men. That brings me to another thing, size. Petey is just too damn small to be taken seriously.
I've never had a problem with Petey but I could care less that he is gone. I could care less that Hoyt and Rave are gone either. Now if TNA would just give Shark Boy, Eric Young, Kip James, Rhaka Khan, and Taylor Wilde their walking papers my 2009 would be off to an excellent start.
TNA is signing the people that matter like Robert Roode. I'm sure they will also get Shelley under a long term contract as well. I can take or leave Chris Sabin. He is another guy who can't do anything but wrestle. In fact he makes Petey Williams look like Ric Flair on the mic in my opinion. Sabin is clearly the Janetty of the MCMG's.
I'm sure my opinions are going to piss some people off but, oh well. That is pretty much business as usual for me. I'm just sick of all the lamenting over the loss of little Petey and how it is the beginning of the end for TNA. Blah Blah Blah same old song and dance from all the indy marks. With all the whining you would think A.J. Styles got released.
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Post by Matt on Feb 18, 2009 21:09:59 GMT -5
warmachine76 really states it the best. He was a great talent in the ring; however, he was extremely dull on the microphone. Additionally, he did not even have that great of a look. To be honest, Petey Williams could never be a mega star or carry the company, so although it is a shame to see a great talent gone, it can only lead to better talent getting more spotlight.
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Post by throwbackchampion on Feb 18, 2009 21:33:14 GMT -5
warmachine76 really states it the best. He was a great talent in the ring; however, he was extremely dull on the microphone. Additionally, he did not even have that great of a look. To be honest, Petey Williams could never be a mega star or carry the company, so although it is a shame to see a great talent gone, it can only lead to better talent getting more spotlight. Well said my POV was he lacks charisma, he's better when he was having a manager thru his corner to garner heat. but a singles star by himself i don't see it by a long run. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 22:15:44 GMT -5
You all shouldn't be surprised Petey left. I mean, didn't it ring something bad was bound to happen when he was STILL dressing like Steiner? That ''he still did it as an insult'' excuse is bull. The time he got off was more than enough to change his appearance.
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Post by newfrigginshow on Feb 18, 2009 22:22:31 GMT -5
They are not going to change anything until the ratings dip down. They've held pretty steady despite the massive mistakes they've been making. So in their eyes they are doing fine that's why they keep trying to do little stunts here and there to see if something gains them a higher ratings.
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