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Post by Great White Shark on Mar 3, 2009 8:21:39 GMT -5
Iron Man match from Wrestlemania 12. Yeah, that was a real snooze fest it really was. Sure Hart and Michaels are 2 of the very best ever, but did we really need a 60 minute ironman match. Christ, it was boring as hell. Ok, the finish was a great moment, but so many people had given up watching about half way through.
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Post by jfinnomore on Mar 3, 2009 11:21:04 GMT -5
For the older matches, you have to keep them in context. Not only did fans in 1987 have a different idea of what constituted a "great match," but it's just evolution: Over the course of 20 years, new wrestlers come up with new ideas, cooler-looking moves, ideas to create drama, etc. Some of the stuff in Savage vs. Steamboat seems routine and elementary now for one very important reason: Because everyone copied it, to the point where the key spots have become overdone. The fact that anyone even bothered to copy from that match shows how awesome it was for the time. Even a move like the small package, while not totally unheard of in 1987, was considered an innovative way to trap an opponent into a surprise pinfall. Today, small packages are commonplace... and Steamboat-Savage helped make that happen by inspiring people to overdo that spot. In 1987, that was a fairly advanced technical move. In 2009, it's considered a fundamental move. Back on topic: I always thought Sabu's matches in general were overrated. It seems like his best-received matches all hinge on two key points: Did he actually connect on his high spots more than usual, and did he absorb an insane amount of punishment. To me, that's kind of fun to watch at times, but I wouldn't call it great wrestling. i think Sabu is just known for his "extreme" wrestling. He wasn't known for great wrestling but what he does is very entertaining if you ask me. But thats coming from someone who was in love with ECW. as far as over rated i think someone summed it up when they said Hogans entire career. The only time i really enjoyed hogan was when i was 5 and didn't know any better or his promos in WCW. Non of his matches that i watch now and days impress me or even half way entertain me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 13:57:38 GMT -5
the onl Hogan match that Impressed me was WM 5 against Savage-but the buildup for that match was incredible
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Post by K5 on Mar 3, 2009 14:18:32 GMT -5
i think the only people who didn't enjoy the iron man match between hart and michaels are the people who didn't watch it live or didn't feel connected to the outcome of the match at all. if you were watching it live, it was evident how amazing it was. i remember being on the edge of my seat, and possibly being the most angry from a wrestling incident ever when michaels won.
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Post by Jimmy on Mar 3, 2009 14:26:17 GMT -5
the iron man match is great, but it is overrated. i love bret as much as anyone and shawn is excellent, but the first 30 minutes of the hour are completely useless.
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Post by Wfigs #1 Metal-Head on Mar 3, 2009 17:00:20 GMT -5
I've never really paid attention to the Iornman match but i think that there are 3 other iornmatchs better than it. HHH/Rock - Judgement Day 2000 HHH/Benoit - Raw Angle/Brock - Smackdown (That one was great)
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Mar 3, 2009 18:01:52 GMT -5
I've never really paid attention to the Iornman match but i think that there are 3 other iornmatchs better than it. HHH/Rock - Judgement Day 2000 HHH/Benoit - Raw Angle/Brock - Smackdown (That one was great) Although it was only a 30-minute iron man, I always liked Ricky Steamboat vs. Rick Rude from WCW Beach Blast 92. The final few minutes were fun.
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Post by LeighD on Mar 4, 2009 8:44:31 GMT -5
i think the only people who didn't enjoy the iron man match between hart and michaels are the people who didn't watch it live or didn't feel connected to the outcome of the match at all. if you were watching it live, it was evident how amazing it was. i remember being on the edge of my seat, and possibly being the most angry from a wrestling incident ever when michaels won. I can agree with a lot of this. I think knowing the winner of such a long match, ruines it. I watched it live and I was excited the whole hour as I didn't know whom would score the first fall or how close it was going to be. The last five minutes were exciting as hell to watch live as you were just waiting to see when the fall would occur. I can see how people would say it would be overrated as the match generally builds towards the last few minutes, which has been ruined because it has been replayed over a million times in the last 14 years. So there is little excitement when you watch it. But wrestling-wise I thought the match was great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 15:03:28 GMT -5
I think at the time and for a short while after HBK vs Hart WASNT overrated but as you view it more it loses its shine a touch.
I know people that still love it but the last twice I watched it I fast forwarded to the 25 minute mark.
if HBK and Angle had have been given an hour it would have been efin epic.my GOD that was a cracking encounter
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Post by doogle on Mar 5, 2009 9:47:46 GMT -5
taker/mankind HIAC...not even a match
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Post by K5 on Mar 5, 2009 10:53:49 GMT -5
taker/mankind HIAC...not even a match definetly true. after the chokeslam, it would seem they rushed through the rest of the match. mick was probably in a lotta pain.
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Post by jerrylynn1 on Mar 6, 2009 9:04:40 GMT -5
The only match that comes to mind right now is HBK vs HHH 3 stages of hell. I appreciate the story behind it and I understand why HBK wasn't up to his usual standard but there is no way that this can be praised as a good wrestling match. IMO HBK's return at Summerslam was the superior match.
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Post by K5 on Mar 6, 2009 10:58:38 GMT -5
The only match that comes to mind right now is HBK vs HHH 3 stages of hell. I appreciate the story behind it and I understand why HBK wasn't up to his usual standard but there is no way that this can be praised as a good wrestling match. IMO HBK's return at Summerslam was the superior match. i'd agree 100% the hhh/austin three stages of hell match wasn't even that great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 19:03:55 GMT -5
yeah the 3 stages of hell matches werent all that......considering the personnel involved they should have been better
HBks performances at Summerslam and Survivor Series 2002 were way better than Armageddon
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Post by Brock F'n Lesnar on Mar 7, 2009 15:35:39 GMT -5
hulk hogan's entire career. HOW DARE YOU!!!
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Post by Brock F'n Lesnar on Mar 7, 2009 15:39:01 GMT -5
the two hour Lesnar vs Angle, It was a good match but it took up the WHOLE SHOW, that shoulda been a PPV Main event or summat, it did get a bit boring at parts, especially when you watch it over & over again
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 22:51:27 GMT -5
the two hour Lesnar vs Angle, It was a good match but it took up the WHOLE SHOW, that shoulda been a PPV Main event or summat, it did get a bit boring at parts, especially when you watch it over & over again Then why watch it over and over again then?
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Post by hbkjason on Mar 10, 2009 9:46:24 GMT -5
i think the only people who didn't enjoy the iron man match between hart and michaels are the people who didn't watch it live or didn't feel connected to the outcome of the match at all. if you were watching it live, it was evident how amazing it was. i remember being on the edge of my seat, and possibly being the most angry from a wrestling incident ever when michaels won. I don't agree with that at all I watched it live I was 15 at the time and the match was just boring theres no way about it. Watch HBK vs Hart from the 92 Survivor Series it is a far far more exciting match. Wrestlemania 12 was 2 of the all time greatest who unfortunately for the fans would not put there egos to the side. For me the score board was torture as it made the match seem even longer. I think it would have worked had they had Bret go 2-0 within say 20-30 minutes only for HBK to pull it back with 2 quick pins at about 45 minutes. Like I said the guys were not willing to put there egos aside. the first 10-15 minutes were exciting as you are expecting to see a few decisions in a match that is going to last a hour, but as someone else said about half way through you knew there was going to be only one decision. I love Bret and Shawn and I am someone who watched them both in there prime not one of these 12 year olds who somehow claim to have been watching HBK since the 80's. I have a very god attention span and a love for great story telling in the ring but this match was boring. Its like some unwritten rule to be a real wrestling fan you must say you love HBK vs Hart at WM12 (even if you didn't)
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Post by kirk on Mar 11, 2009 16:03:56 GMT -5
hulk hogan's entire career. I liked all his babbling but his matches had to be the hardest to watch.
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Post by Wfigs #1 Metal-Head on Mar 12, 2009 7:57:01 GMT -5
taker/mankind HIAC...not even a match The match went on for another 20 minutes after the bump of the cell. How was it not a match?
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