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Post by deskjet on Jun 28, 2009 21:21:18 GMT -5
Ugh, i'm not even going to try to reason with a bunch of TNA marks... the Abyss/Nash match was great? Are you kidding me, the match was slow and boring. Nobody cares about Nash anymore and Abyss is a modern day Kane/Mick Foley... which he's always been. EDIT: And of course my reasoning is about MY OPINION, so is your's. You claim this week's iMPACT! Deskjet: I honestly stopped reading your response a good 3 sentences in, since you didn't catch the whole point of my post. The point was rather than using the talent people actually CARE about, they used the ones people don't. And i'm sorry. but for a wrestling show to focus strictly on A "storyline" is a complete joke. Storylines can be built within minutes, not 2 hours. TNA is wasting time with these promos and storylines, rather than giving the viewers wrestling. TNA is a complete joke ( as of this week ) and better change things around, or people will turn. EDIT: And of course my reasoning is about MY OPINION, so is your's. You claim this week's iMPACT! was "purposeful", many would disagree. It's all opinion, always will be. Thats what a debate is, the difference of opinions. Haha. And SG, your hour debate doesn't work in the slightest bit. I didn't compare the WWE to TNA as a whole. I compared RAW to iMPACT!, which normally iMPACT! is TONS better. However, this week's RAW was superior to this week's iMPACT!. Then I compared SmackDown! to iMPACT!, which of course the rating for SmackDown! is going to be low, it's on Fridays at 8pm Eastern. Not too many people are home at that time, to watch it. EDIT: While it doesn't matter WHAT Daniels did, he was on the show ( which I somehow forgot ). - Triple S Again, you are clearly letting your personal bias cloud your analysis of the purpose of the show. And i still wonder why you're the Tna mod is you cant discuss with "a bunch of tna marks". So you have high praise for TNA the last few weeks becasue they use the talent you thought they should. Who says people dont care about booker t, steiner, nash, BMI, abyss, etc. Accept it or not, they are now apart of TNA. It seems the only people that have had a problem with this weeks show is yourself and a select few. And A wrestling show not being about storylines is the joke. Where have you been? American wrestling has always been about storylines. And exactly how much wrestling did you see in that skit filled, promo layden, snoozefest of a show on RAW that you said was better than impact. And dont try to count HHH/Orton becasue that was a pure brawl. And if wrestling is what a show is about then why is Cena so popular? he sure as hell cant wrestle. Do you think people actually watch show and Cena for wrestling or buy ppv's for just wrestling? they enjoy the wrestling and the storylines which TNA had both of and with purpose. And, Am i too assume that you somehow are giving TNA a nod for having Daniels ON the show? If so, I thought it was about wrestling? He wasnt wrestling. Again, your bias coming through if that was your intention. And again this ratings crap. ratings doesnt =quality. you just said SD's ratings were low becasue its on Friday. Now is that an excuse or is it becasue it sux. according to you it;s a timeslot thing but there's no real way to judge it just like you cant judge the quality or or lack of quality of any show based on ratings. the ratings are just as fickle as the IWC. I would suggest that if you're concerned about quality wrestling, you should probably watch some Pureso. You're harpin on one show that is again, clearly a build up show. And about something TnA has been doing for years. Sure you're allowed to have your opinion, but dont try to justify your irrational critique with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 0:15:54 GMT -5
Thats the beauty of message boards, I can critique anything however I want.
You completely keep going to the fact that my opinion is "biased", which I personally don't see. It's not just "the guys I like", it's the guys that bust their asses and DESERVE the main event spots... or good storylines/fueds.
I firmly agree that ratings pretty much mean nothing, however... SmackDown! has the best wresting any promotions has seen in years ( on a weekly nationally televised show ). Ask anybody here ( that isn't clearly a mark for TNA ), most will agree. Being the mod of this board, theres certain people that I feel think TNA honestly can't do wrong. Most of those people are the ones that thought this iMPACT! was "great". While it "did it's job" on building a storyline... the point isn't that. The point is: What could have been done in minutes, took 2 hours. You mean to tell me a Street Fight between Brother Ray and Magnus, that didn't even have a finish... couldn't have been a quick 2 minute promo, of them brawling? Instead, it had to be a good 7 minute brawl? Pointless. You also agree that all the Jarrett/Foley/Angle promos were a bit too many. Shorten those down, along with the saved 5 minutes from the Street Fight... that right there gives the viewers another match. Suicide vs. a bag of sand. It would still put the spotlight on one of your champions, rather than not having him on the show at all.
Now, again... like I said in the post with the preview, hopefully they can turn things around this week. This past week's iMPACT! was terrible ( which is my opinion ). Nothing that can be said, will change that. However, i'm not gonna say they suck now or it's all over. They had a crappy week, after a good 3 solid weeks of great product. I just hope this isn't the downfall that TNA keeps sinking into.
SG: You ARE a mark for TNA, simple reason: most things TNA do, you agree with. Wether it's burrying talent to put over washed up hasbeens, or terrible finishes to matches... you eat it up. Now, thats not a knock on you or anything, thats just your personal like. But fully expect to be called a mark, while doing so. It's not a bad thing, a mark is a big fan ( Which i'm sure you've come to accept, so thats good )
Oh, and this whole "why are you mod?" thing is a bit old. I'm a TNA fan, I wanna see it succeed... that doesn't mean I need to like everything they do. My responsibilities as a moderator are to remain active on the board, keep the board clean and organized of spam, fights, etc. and to just make sure the board is run smoothly... all in which I do. So again, the whole "You don't like what TNA is doing, why are you mod?" argument... yeah, it's not valid.
dewthedew: Don't spam the thread, with terrible grammar. And nothing valid to add to the debate/iMPACT! discussion. Thank you.
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Post by deskjet on Jun 29, 2009 0:29:00 GMT -5
Thats the beauty of message boards, I can critique anything however I want. You completely keep going to the fact that my opinion is "biased", which I personally don't see. It's not just "the guys I like", it's the guys that bust their asses and DESERVE the main event spots... or good storylines/fueds. I firmly agree that ratings pretty much mean nothing, however... SmackDown! has the best wresting any promotions has seen in years ( on a weekly nationally televised show ). Ask anybody here ( that isn't clearly a mark for TNA ), most will agree. Being the mod of this board, theres certain people that I feel think TNA honestly can't do wrong. Most of those people are the ones that thought this iMPACT! was "great". While it "did it's job" on building a storyline... the point isn't that. The point is: What could have been done in minutes, took 2 hours. You mean to tell me a Street Fight between Brother Ray and Magnus, that didn't even have a finish... couldn't have been a quick 2 minute promo, of them brawling? Instead, it had to be a good 7 minute brawl? Pointless. You also agree that all the Jarrett/Foley/Angle promos were a bit too many. Shorten those down, along with the saved 5 minutes from the Street Fight... that right there gives the viewers another match. Suicide vs. a bag of sand. It would still put the spotlight on one of your champions, rather than not having him on the show at all.Now, again... like I said in the post with the preview, hopefully they can turn things around this week. This past week's iMPACT! was terrible ( which is my opinion ). Nothing that can be said, will change that. However, i'm not gonna say they suck now or it's all over. They had a crappy week, after a good 3 solid weeks of great product. I just hope this isn't the downfall that TNA keeps sinking into. SG: You ARE a mark for TNA, simple reason: most things TNA do, you agree with. Wether it's burrying talent to put over washed up hasbeens, or terrible finishes to matches... you eat it up. Now, thats not a knock on you or anything, thats just your personal like. But fully expect to be called a mark, while doing so. It's not a bad thing, a mark is a big fan ( Which i'm sure you've come to accept, so thats good ) Oh, and this whole "why are you mod?" thing is a bit old. I'm a TNA fan, I wanna see it succeed... that doesn't mean I need to like everything they do. My responsibilities as a moderator are to remain active on the board, keep the board clean and organized of spam, fights, etc. and to just make sure the board is run smoothly... all in which I do. So again, the whole "You don't like what TNA is doing, why are you mod?" argument... yeah, it's not valid. dewthedew: Don't spam the thread, with terrible grammar. And nothing valid to add to the debate/iMPACT! discussion. Thank you. - Triple S terrible grammar huh? what's wresting? Not bias huh> so you'd rather see suicide vs a bag of Sand because it shows one of their champions? IS the tag team champ and world champ on the same show not enuff? A 2 minute promo of them brawling? huh? maybe you meant just a promo? But wait, I thought you wanted to see wrestling? Again that's fine you didnt like the show, but dont blame tna for putting on a bad show becasue it wasnt what you wanted. Try to look at what they were trying to accomplish. hell i'd want every show to be bikini fights but its not logical nor purpsoeful, so i enjoy what i get until they start doing bad storylines or pointless matches then I bitch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 0:56:45 GMT -5
Pointless matches? Simple... Abyss vs. Nash, now tell me where that went/is going?
Wresting, over wrestling isn't bad grammar... it's called a typo. When I have "some boddy" and oppose to "somebody", THATS terrible grammar. But grammar isn't the issue here.
I understand that they were building up this MEM vs. AJ/Sting fued, that much I get. What I don't get is why did things that didn't need a promo and could be solved with an announcement, get them and the things that didn't need matches and could've been solved with a short promo, get them. You mention "wanting more wrestling" for me bringing up Ray/Brutus. Again, that WASN'T wrestling... it was a 7 minute brawl. Even people in this thread claimed "A Street Fight to start off iMPACT!? Umm... ok." It was pointless and didn't need to happen. A match between the two, I would have accepted better. But yes, I am going to be biased in MY opinion of the show.
This didn't start with me saying "the show sucked, no matter what anyone says". No, it was my opinion in my post. Same as everyone else posting how they liked/disliked the show, nothing different. And of course it's going to seem like i'm the only one that disliked the show, when mostly SG, dewthedew and The Mac are the only ones that have comment on our debate. Other have stated that the wrestling wasn't good.
Comic Book Guy: "I was disappointed with the actual wrestling, but thought that the storyline progression was worth a 'dud' episode in terms of in-ring."
A "dud" episode in terms of in-ring wrestling... yeah thats what a WRESTLING show should be reviewed as. If I wanna watch promo after promo, i'll watch RAW. I mean, I do watch RAW weekly... in the hopes it'll get better. But really, it kinda hasn't. I do feel RAW was a tiny bit better than iMPACT! last week. Which isn't saying much.
Deep Shadows: "I think this past week's show was pretty good!! The storylines are slowly improving. The in-ring action was lacking but I have faith that things are going to heat up again soon."
Minus the "pretty good" part, this comment pretty much sums up my feelings towards iMPACT! this week. Go ahead, read all my posts during this debate. I've said it numerous times: I hope things get better next week. Again, I want TNA to be how it was 2 weeks ago. I ( along with many others ) feel the past 3 weeks were great iMPACT!s. Decent/good wrestling, with the storylines building up to Slammiversary added.
Now, you can't tell me "every week after a Pay-Per-View is focused on storylines. Especially since the iMPACT! after Sacrifice gave us Daniels/AJ and the returns/debuts of Tara, Douglas and Raven. At least one great match between 2 of TNA's top guys. The following week gave us Daniels/Kiyoshi, Sabin & Creed/Beer Money... which were 2 good matches. The following week, it dropped a little. However, still brought Styles/Douglas, which was a decent match and Tara/Rayne, which was decent for a Knockouts match. Didn't get that this week... I got an awesome promo between Sting/Nash, but that shouldn't be the best thing on a wrestling program. None of the matches were good at all. Again, this all boild down to "too many promos, not enough quality wrestling."
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Post by deskjet on Jun 29, 2009 7:42:01 GMT -5
Ok triple S so you dint like that there was not enough quality wrestling. But that does not make the show a flop. Some shows need to be different and need to set up storylines in promos/ what you deem matches with wrestlers no one cares about. nash abyss furhtered the storyline win Abyss/stevie and gave Nash a win to legitimize him going after AJ's belt. It woulda made less sense for TNA just to say ok Nash is gonna fight AJ for the belt without giving NAsh at least some in ring action. Roode/Steiner...again a build up match and look at the history...the current world tag champs against one half of the all time gretests. the same with Booker T. Again, what is the point of just putting those two togehter without any kind of heat between them...thus the matches...whether or not it was good wrestling or not is subjective. they wrestled and it enhanced a storyline. Bubba/BI...so what it was abrawl...what made the heat more inteense...the street fight or a two minute promo saying hey Im gonna get u dude! And you talk about seeing guys like the x divsion guys...where exactly are the angles for them? the Suicide/MCMG/lethal consequences angle is pretty mcuh beat and if it's not Im sure they'll pick that up in the following weeks. Again, what has made TNA better Imo in these past few months is the sensible storylines. now there've been some questionable things but overall the shows have been entertaining.
And promos are a necessary part of telling the story. Some weeks there needs to be more talking and a bit less wrestling. But, I mean for Petes sake though, did i need to hear Cena and Miz talk about the same thing for 7 minutes just to make a match that had been brewing for a month. No thanks, give me a street brawl.
What was the point? At that juncture since it had alreay been st up prior weeks in advance, what was the point of another promo to say the same thing. Just fight all damn ready and announce the match.
And no you didnt say the show sucked...you said it was downright terrible in just about every aspect. Look the wrestlers wrestled, except the brawl, whether you liked it or not. Just becasue it wasnt your style didnt mean it wasnt good or more importantly purposeful. I think we all know that some guys cant go like they used to, thats just the way it is. But what pulls people in is the person and the stoyline they are attached to. What made more noise in TNA this week? The x divsion KOTM match, which was great, or the Joe heel turn?
Is wrestling important on a wrestling show? Duh. But just becasue it's not who or how wrestling should be doesnt mean that the show was terrible. Steiner/roode and booker/storm was pretty damn solid if you ask me. was it daniels vs Creed? No..was it wrestling? Yes...was it good wrestling...debatable. Did it tell a storyline? yes. So you have a wrestling show that features wrestling and storylines that are purposeful. Again outside of you just wanting to see who you want to see, i dont understand what the problem is. And look, i know you're not sayin your thowin TNA under the bus but i just think you need to look at the whole pciture instead of just what you want to see. You may enjoy the show better,
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 2, 2009 19:20:30 GMT -5
Hopefully tonight is better than last week.
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Post by specterkev on Jul 2, 2009 20:06:26 GMT -5
let's start the show...
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Post by SodaGuy on Jul 2, 2009 20:10:13 GMT -5
How in the world is Joe bleeding?  |
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 2, 2009 20:11:34 GMT -5
How in the world is Joe bleeding? I think I saw Jeff bleeding as well.... as he walked up the ramp. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 2, 2009 20:12:01 GMT -5
Yeah, they were both bleeding. How the hell did that happen?
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Post by SodaGuy on Jul 2, 2009 20:12:43 GMT -5
How in the world is Joe bleeding? I think I saw Jeff bleeding as well.... as he walked up the ramp. I think it might've been from someone else (Joe probally) since it looked like a swipe of blood more so than blood from a cut of his (if that makes sense). |
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Post by specterkev on Jul 2, 2009 20:13:26 GMT -5
accidently reopen cut? I dunno
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 2, 2009 20:14:36 GMT -5
I think I saw Jeff bleeding as well.... as he walked up the ramp. I think it might've been from someone else (Joe probally) since it looked like a swipe of blood more so than blood from a cut of his (if that makes sense). I dont see how thats possible if he never touched Joe, maybe the string shot back from the guitar. |
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Post by specterkev on Jul 2, 2009 20:17:19 GMT -5
big Daddy Nash.. he maybe greedy but he's my hero.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 2, 2009 20:19:24 GMT -5
Wow, I know NO songs from that Monster Ballads CD.
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Post by specterkev on Jul 2, 2009 20:21:45 GMT -5
Wow, I know NO songs from that Monster Ballads CD. seriously? no offense but how old are you man? please tell me you are like 16 or something... |
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 2, 2009 20:22:17 GMT -5
Wow, I know NO songs from that Monster Ballads CD. seriously? no offense but how old are you man? please tell me you are like 16 or something... Yes, but usually- I know at least 3 or 4 songs on all of those kind of CD's. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Jul 2, 2009 20:22:35 GMT -5
Spin Cycle set cameo! WOO!
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Post by specterkev on Jul 2, 2009 20:23:43 GMT -5
seriously? no offense but how old are you man? please tell me you are like 16 or something... Yes, but usually- I know at least 3 or 4 songs on all of those kind of CD's. I'm 29 and knew all the songs that where played lol guess that shows my age lol |
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jul 2, 2009 20:24:17 GMT -5
Lauren screaming for him to stop reminded me of this:
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