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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Apr 11, 2009 9:29:20 GMT -5
I know a heel is supposed to be cowardly No they're not
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Post by WalterF on Apr 11, 2009 10:45:57 GMT -5
I know a heel is supposed to be cowardly No they're not In general they are. Of course there are different kinds of heels like the monster heel (Koslov) and psychotic, but the rule is that generally, a heel is cowardly and uncool, etc. Especially right now, that's how are the top heels are. I was saying it's unfortunate because they don't make it seem like any of the top heels stand a fighting chance against cleanly defeating any top face and you should at least think there's a chance it could happen lol.
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Post by The Best on Apr 11, 2009 11:04:03 GMT -5
I can't stand HHH.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 13:17:47 GMT -5
I already know Triple H is a piece of ****. He's the Hogan of our era. ?? I'm sorry but Hogan would have never lost at all thoes wrestlemainas or even jobbed clean to jeff hardy
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Apr 11, 2009 15:05:08 GMT -5
.....? How many times has Jeff defeated Triple H? Triple H won a Championship Scramble at Unforgiven including Jeff Hardy. Triple H def. Jeff Hardy at No Mercy 2008. Triple H def. Jeff Hardy at Cyber Sunday 2008. BURIED. It took a triple threat match which included Edge to give Jeff the title. He should have been given it way earlier. Yeah, he was buried so badly that he won the WWE title two months later! Oh, the humanity! Except at No Way Out, it took two pedigrees, one of them on a chair, to pin Jeff. And at No Mercy, Triple H won with a ROLL UP. Triple H has made the guy to look like his equal, in fact without Triple H's backing, Jeff Hardy may never have made it to the main event status he has attained now.
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Post by rkokixas on Apr 11, 2009 17:46:02 GMT -5
Just to add to the sites where the others said what I told you they said about Orton is:The Booker T interview is from the Hit The Ropes radio show,the Paul London one is from False Count Radio,The 2 Cena comments were from a Comcast Live Chat he did last month and the other was from The Baltimore Sun.Paul Heyman's are always in his articles The Heyman Hustle on the UK Sun.So I'd say Orton's work has won over many people and deservedly so.And HHH knows it.
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Post by The Funniest Guy in Pants on Apr 11, 2009 17:56:48 GMT -5
No they're not In general they are. Of course there are different kinds of heels like the monster heel (Koslov) and psychotic, but the rule is that generally, a heel is cowardly and uncool, etc. Especially right now, that's how are the top heels are. I was saying it's unfortunate because they don't make it seem like any of the top heels stand a fighting chance against cleanly defeating any top face and you should at least think there's a chance it could happen lol. I'm sorry, let me correct myself. In professional wrestling the heels can be cowardly, but it isn't a necessity. They can go over the faces without cheating. However, in sports entertainment, all heels must be cowardly and can never win without cheating, over and over and over and over again.....
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Post by drakerko on Apr 11, 2009 18:40:14 GMT -5
Triple H won a Championship Scramble at Unforgiven including Jeff Hardy. Triple H def. Jeff Hardy at No Mercy 2008. Triple H def. Jeff Hardy at Cyber Sunday 2008. BURIED. It took a triple threat match which included Edge to give Jeff the title. He should have been given it way earlier. Yeah, he was buried so badly that he won the WWE title two months later! Oh, the humanity! Except at No Way Out, it took two pedigrees, one of them on a chair, to pin Jeff. And at No Mercy, Triple H won with a ROLL UP. Triple H has made the guy to look like his equal, in fact without Triple H's backing, Jeff Hardy may never have made it to the main event status he has attained now. Hardy would still be where he is without Triple H. He's insanely popular. Triple H beat him THREE PPV's in a row. By the time Hardy won the title it was an anti-climax considering how many chances he had.
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Post by missedgehead on Apr 11, 2009 20:43:30 GMT -5
As someone who as alot of you know is a huge HHH mark, and a huge Orton mark, here are my observations:
I do feel that it is time for HHH to start putting over the future. His win at Mania did nothing for him. Orton would have benefited much more from a win. Here they build Orton all this time, have him win the Rumble, attack the McMahons and HHH wins? That to me does not make any sense. That being said, I do feel that HHH has fought and clawed his way to where he is. Like Walter F said, it seems to me that the heels are portrayed as so cowardly that they are not even portrayed as even having a chance at beating the top face (see the Cutting Edge on this past week's Smackdown, even though it was a great segment.)
As for Jeff Hardy, RVD, etc....let's see, Jeff has had millions of chances despite Wellness violations, and HHH STILL made the guy look like his equal. It took Edge's jobbing the belt (again a transitional champion) to Jeff to make that guy a champ. However, Jeff still benefited from working with Hunter. RVD......well, to the IWC's delight, their boy was made a champion, in fact he held two World Titles....however, RVD blows it by getting pulled over (along with Sabu) and has to drop both titles. Hardly HHH's fault.
My point is that even though I think it is time for HHH to use his position to put over the younger talent, I don't think he is the monster that alot of fans portray him to be. Not EVERYTHING that happens to one's favorite WWE Superstar can be blamed on HHH. JMO
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Post by Hollywood QJD on Apr 11, 2009 20:53:04 GMT -5
That video was both Amazing and Tragic.
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Post by Doctor Worm on Apr 11, 2009 23:51:57 GMT -5
I guess We should rename him The Ceribral Shovel Tripple H
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 12, 2009 2:17:13 GMT -5
its ing randy orton lol no burial he just sucks Agreed completely.
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Post by Fury on Apr 12, 2009 2:18:06 GMT -5
What I find hilarious is that when people in the business say that they like Randy Orton it works as a legitimate argument as to why he's so "great" yet when these same people praise Triple H and say he's one of the few who can put you over without jobbing to you, you completely ignore it. Jeez talk about mindless sheep.
Anyway my opinion is that Orton is not an entertaining wrestler and if it wasn't for Triple H's influence wouldn't be where he is today without him. Triple H has put over his fair share of people the past few years, Chris Benoit, Batista, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton (wouldn't be where he is today with the help of Triple H), Jeff Hardy among many others. Could've he put over more, yeah probably, but he's hardly a burial machine and he's one of the better all time workers and works harder than almost anyone in the WWE besides maybe John Cena.
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Post by rkokixas on Apr 12, 2009 12:03:03 GMT -5
Thanks for your comments Stephanie.LOL.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Apr 12, 2009 12:24:18 GMT -5
Orton terrorised the whole McMahon family. The natural conclusion was HHH beating Orton. Live with it.
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Post by rkokixas on Apr 12, 2009 16:01:27 GMT -5
It was THE WAY he beat Orton that was the problem.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Apr 12, 2009 16:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah, he was buried so badly that he won the WWE title two months later! Oh, the humanity! Except at No Way Out, it took two pedigrees, one of them on a chair, to pin Jeff. And at No Mercy, Triple H won with a ROLL UP. Triple H has made the guy to look like his equal, in fact without Triple H's backing, Jeff Hardy may never have made it to the main event status he has attained now. Hardy would still be where he is without Triple H. He's insanely popular. Triple H beat him THREE PPV's in a row. By the time Hardy won the title it was an anti-climax considering how many chances he had. Jeff Hardy has beat Triple H as many time as Triple H has beaten Jeff. You're contradicting yourself when you say he's insanely popular and buried at the same time. Jeff is one of those stars that Triple H has taken to the next level, like Benoit. Who knows where Jeff would have gone after his second suspension if he wasn't Triple H's boy. That's like saying Shawn Michaels is buried because of how many times Triple H has beaten him.
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Post by WalterF on Apr 12, 2009 23:45:13 GMT -5
In general they are. Of course there are different kinds of heels like the monster heel (Koslov) and psychotic, but the rule is that generally, a heel is cowardly and uncool, etc. Especially right now, that's how are the top heels are. I was saying it's unfortunate because they don't make it seem like any of the top heels stand a fighting chance against cleanly defeating any top face and you should at least think there's a chance it could happen lol. I'm sorry, let me correct myself. In professional wrestling the heels can be cowardly, but it isn't a necessity. They can go over the faces without cheating. However, in sports entertainment, all heels must be cowardly and can never win without cheating, over and over and over and over again..... Well thats what I said, lol. Im not saying heels should always be cowardly, but generally, in WWE they are. Actually, Triple H was really one of the last heels who won often cleanly ... what a coincidence.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 13, 2009 16:51:52 GMT -5
Regardless of what HHH has done to Orton, the rub from Evolution took him to the next level, although it didn't totally make him a star. Like I have said before, to me, Orton only truly "made it" following Rated RKO, but he would have never made it that far without Triple H and Flair's rub.
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