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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 13, 2017 12:47:18 GMT -5
@3nwpro Happy belated birthday sir. I will respond soon to the awesomeness above. Been having some eye issues, so I have to write on my computer instead. It will take some time, but I am going to try to check out as many of those songs you mentioned as possible. Cheers to you and I will headbang today in your honor.
VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 14, 2017 18:17:18 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey buddy, I can't write answers to everything today, but that philosophy question was in my head all weekend, and I have to chat about it.
First, let me define philosophy, as far as what I am referring to, as more of a set of ideas and ideals on life/afterlife and the categories of derisive factors that make up our ways of life in such that they currently are.
If one was trying to make a song regarding the actual experiences and vernacular of Plato or Socrates, I think it would fall flat, like it did when I had to read their books. One would have to focus on the issues, and make them relevant, and most importantly, come from the heart. If it is not something the writer/singer believes, or if it is just some educational payday (ie: after school special or school house rock), we would see right through it. You have to put experience, emotion, education (via a more pertinent question or an answer), all together (punks bands did this well), to make the song have impact. Just lamenting can go only so far. Furthermore, it may be most impactful to use a reference or allegory only for the issue at hand, if it is completely hard to swallow for some people, because just getting the thought into someone's brain can do the work (a catchy tune can do that and work the subconcious), but if you beat then over the head with it, so to speak, they may not listen further.
As you know, many bands across a swath of genres have referenced many a philosophical topic from working full time to the governent to busted education to peace and greed, but few have made whole songs about them. The bands that popped in my head immediately when I read this question were Live and R.E.M.. Afterwords, to some extent KMK (peace), Slipknot and Memento (judging), and Pillar (spoke of evolution and God), as well as Corporate Avenger (rather highly controversial on various topics...you probably know the singer Spike from Mind Over Four) seemed to fit the criteria. I do not know R.E.M.'s catalog to the fullest extent, but Michael Stipe no doubt has full songs about his beliefs, if even faintly like "Losing My Religion." Live is much more direct, and one that frankly makes you think, cry, and be exhausted at the same time. On their "Birds of Prey" album, "What Are We Fighting For" is a whole song questioning war, its ties to religion, and how we explain the dichotomy of the/our teachings to our kids. The song is just truly monumental. If you get the chance, you might listen to it, or read the lyrics. I hope you like it.
I could go on for days about the winds of change being in the air and these songs truly making a difference in changing the narative like punk did for government change back in the day. These ideals transcend a space and time, and are always applicable, even though we may wish them not to have to be one day. Even more songs are hitting me now, from Everlast to Soulfly, but I can't write them all. I am eager to hear your opinion on the topic at hand, and if you can think of any metal tracks that speak their truths. I know your vast knowledge of metal can produce many more than mine, especially allegoric ones, since you understand stuff of that level. I hope this was what you meant by philosophy, but if it isn't, I will do it again.
I will respond to the rest tomorrow. I listened to that Emperor song, and I can see why it gets to you. It sounds like the battle of heaven vs hell on record. Pretty cool stuff.
Stay metal bud. I appreciate the awesomeness as always.
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VPV
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Post by Mark Martin on Aug 14, 2017 21:38:34 GMT -5
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 15, 2017 16:14:08 GMT -5
@3nwpro Mr. Reager here is the a lot of what I promised you, in order, I think. Glad you liked Necro. I mentioned him to you due to his metal roots and samples. Him and his super group, Circle of Tyrants, sampled South of Heaven, if that interests you. Australia is a place he loves to play shows. Horrorcore is defined by lyrical content, and to some extent beat, but as long as there is an overtone of brutality, it passes for it. Eminem had a song or two that would be considered horrorcore, sort of, but never really took it to the extent of horrorcore to be labled so by the genre, or stigma, some would say. He did name drop Esham and Cage, in a track or two, both of whom rap versions of horrorcore (kind of like the metal tree). Horrorcore helped me, and will always hold a place in my heart, but as my life changed for the better, my tastes moved away from it. Then again, there are those times when I have had such a bad time that it makes a reappearance to make me feel better. To appease my younger self, I still do have the dream to collect all of the horrorcore music in existence and make a full encyclopedic list of what exists, in merch too, for the public. While the same goes for nu-metal, and I want to try, this is much smaller a feat. You have the right angle on what I was talking about with the covers. I haven't heard any of those yet, but do know the bands and some of the original songs. Outside of wanting a metal band, maybe Texas Hippie Coalition, doing Thunder Road from Garth Brooks, nothing else interesting is coming to mind. By the way, Machine Head doing Alice in Chains would put me into a coma, out of sheer happiness. You should make that happen I agree with you that 1 song or album does not pigenhole a band into or out of a genre. The metal community is pretty brash when it comes to the idea of anything soft, or off kilter, but to me, it is more the totality of the works, or in some cases the first album I heard (Papa Roach will always be nu-metal to me.) I have listened and liked a bit of Testament previous, so I appreciate those recommendations. Honestly, I need to re-listen to Circle to give a true opinion on it; I will do that and add it to a future post. These songs enamored me from the on the first few chords: Flaw - World's Divide (one off TTE too, but the title escapes me) , Papa Roach - Last Resort, Eagle Eye Cherry - Shooting up in Vain and Desireless. Others entrance me when the lyrics/chorus kick in like Nixons - Shine, Mastamind - Nite N Day, Stroke 9 - Vacuum Bag. These are not complete by any means, but a small sampling of things I can remember/find. I do cry at many songs, metal included (highly sensitive human being). I have mentioned a couple before, but in dire times like this year has been for me, Wasted Years from Cold hits home. When you feel like you are on the cusp of something great and you just keep biding time until, working, basically going through the emotions, completely opposite of your view for what you thought you were going to achieve and when, it hits me hard. Music gets me like few other things do, and I appreciate you sharing your feelings on the matter. I bet others in metal tear up too, they just don't want to say. To be honest, some things are just uncontrolable, subconcious, and hidden triggers until they pop; nothing to be ashamed of, despite what the majority of the community voices. I mean, there are lighters in the air for a reason, be it respect or sadness..... Ok Mr. Reager, my eyes are starting to blur. Been at this for a couple hours. I will have to try finishing this tomorrow. I am giving it all I have. I hope this is a good start. Stay at peace my friend. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 16, 2017 14:31:15 GMT -5
@3nwpro Happy belated birthday sir. I will respond soon to the awesomeness above. Been having some eye issues, so I have to write on my computer instead. It will take some time, but I am going to try to check out as many of those songs you mentioned as possible. Cheers to you and I will headbang today in your honor. VPV Thank you kindly Sir. I appreciate the effort as always in your latest posts; I will endeavour to get back to you as soon as I'm able. Thanks again \m/ Hey Reager, the conclusion to the posts.... Metal may overcome the stigma of being labeled like that, evil, as our generation grows, teaches their kids different, they in turn teach their kids, etc. We have proven these bad connections to be extremely isolated incodents, and we shun those whom have done the acts. Now, if the metal community at large will let this stigma go is a different story, as it is almost a badge of honor. They toss nu-metalers out already, like you know, let alone a bunch of people that they already cannot stand in life (did bad things to them and of opposing views) invading their sanctuary, so time will tell. The winds of change are blowing towards peace, and as long as metal has an ambassador like you Reager, new people will always feel welcome. Good job sir. I don't really remember seeing many videos featuring cameos of other artists, unless they were on the song, but "Break Stuff" was just so fun, I have to go with that. Granted John Davis was in it, but Pauly Shore is the one I remember most. I loved that song so much I made my own music video of me and friends breaking stuff, for a class no less. Good times. I will check out the other 2 videos you mentioned. The only other ones I recall was like Eminem-Real Slim shady, and Methods of Mayhem - Get Naked. Fred Durst is featured in both Red Hat Glory baybay! I haven't been to a concert in 10 years, and have seen little footage, so I have to come at this another way. I will say ticket prices have risen for bigger shows, but I have not heard of that stopping many people from going. Kid Rock did a killer tour targeting people that have less money, like $15 for a ticket, and it drew so many people, even people who didn't much know him, they just got to do something fun, and I am sure the tailgates were nuts I always went to little club shows, and those prices stayed constant, and so did the crowds, for the most part from what I have seen of bands I follow. Not many sold out shows for those, but good, enthusiastic crowds. Crowds still have the aggressive few, and that goes over like a lead balloon. There are many festivals now, and bands play at random things like Wine Festivals (Vertical Horizon played one). SXSW is getting bigger by the year, and Warped Tour still goes large. I will say that even the smallest bands, even of obscure genres, do tours now, to make the money a lot made without ever touring back in the day (merch and collectibles too), and I know many people are thankful to see them live. Too, you will hear that tickets sold out in a matter of minutes for shows, and people still camp for tickets and do massive pre partying at the shows....the lines are a show in themselves I don't think Wes' shenanigans cause him to be looked at in a bad way at all, as he was always looked at by other bands/fans whom despised LB to be their bright spot. There was even an old Free Wes movement I heard about...I don't like it. He was well respected overall, and people know that is just his personality, as none of the other guys in LB paint/dress up, normally. I heard folks look at it as inventive and unique to his style. You frankly never know what he will do, and it is half the fun. Wes had Big Dumb Face and it was goofy too, while doing Black Light Burns and being serious. He can do what he needs to when called on. The weird industrial style he played on Unquestionable Truth threw me, but he did it well. Man I love LB. As a crazy antic aside, did you see Fred come out of that huge toilet at Ozzfest? Them boys embrace the hate and the love. You don't hear of many bass players putting them phone numbers online and telling fans to call them and they will try to talk to all of them (for a limited time)....good on ya Sam. If only I heard about that post a couple weeks earlier Ok man, I think that is everything. Here's one for you... Do you follow singers across bands, and if so, why? Is ther a love of the voice and loyalty for the songs they created that you loved? Would you follow them to a different genre like Aaron Lewis left Staind and went country (it wasn't bad)? I know it isn't much extra, but I hope you enjoy it. Will come up with more. Thanks as always for the hardwork. I love your insights and points. Like minds..... Til then keep the horns high.... VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 21, 2017 15:43:01 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey bud, killer posts as always. I always look forward to reading and pondering on the responses. I have tried to write the responses to your queries inside the responses, and a reply to some interesting stuff you said, but my tries have all been awful. Will get them to you as soon as I can make them good. VPV Ps. You and your bro might like "Kissing Candice" (masked maniacs ) and the russian? band "screams" (they paint up and sound nu-metal with growl and singing).
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 22, 2017 11:16:52 GMT -5
@3nwpro I feel better today, so here we go.... Loved your take on the philosophy question. I did wonder though, what was the exact meaning of "philosophy overall" you were thinking about? I look over what I have, and I guess I only pulled tenants of certain philosophies out and described them, but I don't know many philosophical systems like objectivism (interesting topic, not sure if I agree with it fully). I tried to go more towards what I thought were philosphies, or things people had philisophical takes on that they build their lives around. I am bad about saying stuff like "my philosophy on x," when I should say my take on, or something. To be honest, when it comes to music and merch from horrorcore or nu-metal, I want it all from the variants down to the smallest oddity and freebie. I don't buy much right now, space and money are limited, so I collect information for when the time comes that I can (we all hope to get rich don't we?). I hope to put all my merch knowledge of the 2, as much as I know, into a site one day for the fans of the genres to know what exists and the best places to look to buy them. For now, dreaming is cool with me. I actually have learned about stuff like frosting glass (etching), making jewelry charms, customizing shoes, and car wraps because of it, so I like the expanded knowledge base and hobbies. My ocd put to good use I got to thinking about the in-fighting in metal a bit more. I can say I have, when I was younger, railed against emo and screamo like real metalheads did to us nu-metalers. I guess we could all stand to mellow out (you already embrace everyone ) and embrace each other's likes a bit more, as we are a small populus that likes metal anyways, and we should support each other (so many hard roads brought us here). You, Mr. Reager, made me feel welcome in a metal thread, and I know very little about the bands like you do, and you always found a way to mesh the topics I tried to converse on. I appreciate that, truly, as well as the kind words about my posts. You asked about partying in ticket lines, and my experiences are for the day of the show, but oh yea, they do that for sure. Mostly singing and having a great time, mannequin heads floating around, sharing sodas, antics, and just overall fun. Some go a bit far, as a buddy told me a paddy wagon showed before a show he went to, but mostly just fun. The arena shows have security outside, so much less happens in those, but people are still awesome to watch. The subcultured shows are the best for good times, but honestly, from what I have seen on tv (Art Mann tv show), country folks (Parrotheads) party the hardest by getting to the lot early, partying all day, and not even going to the shows. They are like wacky deadheads. Interesting stuff. I respect your thoughts on following vocalists to other bands. I will say I was surprised by your answer, but thinking about how much you can understand the music side of it, the analytical approach, it makes sense. The music and the singer are not separate for me, but there is something extra in a voice that I fall in love with, in a way. It is the words, the emotion in the range, the sound I hear in my head. These voices are connections to the soul. I relate to them. I can say that, in my opinion, the singer has a connection with the fans that no other member can quite have, because they are speaking to us with everything they have. I will follow those folks anywhere. Be it loyalty, the love of the sound of the voice (or vocal styling), or something else, I am not sure what, but I have to hear what else they have to say. I would be a singer, myself, in another life, or under a mask/paint Bonus Questions with a theme: Is there a metal dresscode, and if so, what is it? Is it subgenre specific? What was your first band shirt? Do you feel off, not yourself, if you are dressed wrong, not repping what you love? Maybe just bothered that you can't be yourself all the time? Ie: dress clothes to work instead of band shirt/hat/sneakers, or even hiding tatoos, changing hair style/color, etc. Well my friend, that is all I have for now. I hope you dig it. I enjoyed writing all of this; I swear thinking on these keeps me sane at work. Thank you for the kind words and always bringing the heat. Til next time.... I keep the horns high and blare the metal. Spineshank is on tap for lunch \m/ VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 25, 2017 15:30:22 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey buddy, thanks for the well wishes. Work makes life just unbearable a lot of the time. I wish it was cool here, it has been in the 100s for us these past weeks.....just brutal summer heat. As to the latest efforts, here we go: Kismet is for sure. We both have the same way of writing, and with the passion for what we are talking about, we want to make sure nothing gets misconstrued. I have such high respect for you and your opinions, what I put out there matters. I am hard pressed to come up with much, musically, on that overview of philosophy. Not sure why, but the music I recall lyrics for usually deals with the after effects instead of the causes, minus a lyric here or there. I wish I could have something to add to that topic...sorry man. It is cool you too are ok with having what you want in your dreams, planning for the future. I don't have a lot of money, but it also helps me to save what I have and be ok with knowledge and knowing that I will get it in the future. I appreciate the kind words on the databases I want to make. People deserve to know everything that exists of the things they love, and I can help with that on some things. I will get them done, some day. IMO, you are spot on with the general metal dress code. Outside of the general items of necklaces, wrist bands, chain wallets, and steel toed boots, to be genre specific, I will say the screamo/metalcore kids wear a lot of tight clothing like skintight shirts and skinny jeans. Studs, and leather for the glam fans. The nu-metalers, like myself always have a hat on (preferably of a band), silver ball chain necklace (size doesn't matter), baggy pants or shorts (color doesn't matter), a regular/baggy(or oversize...color doesn't matter) band t-shirt, and a pair of cool sneakers (adidas shell toes, chucks, puma, pony, etc.). Long hair is always associated with metalheads, but it is not exclusive to just long hair anymore (color either)....I had a mohawk for a minute. God bless metal for giving the world the dreadhawk! \m/ That is a funny story on the Nailbomb shirt. The first music shirt of mine I regularly state is the first was Korn - Follow the Leader cover shirt bought at Journeys in the mall, followed a couple weeks later by the maroon LB "bus" shirt bought at Spencer Gifts in the same mall. It is possible my mix 102.9 concert shirt was technically bought first, but I am not sure, and I rarely wore it. What was always a bummer is that we couldn't wear them to school *First music hat, my trademark, was the red LB (yankees style flexfit) for my birthday from Sam Goody (same mall) given to me in 7th or 8th grade (same school...hard to pinpoint) on a friday coming home. Still have them all; wear the worn out hat on occasion, but the shirts are way too small. Good times...I looked mad fresh It is funny how the things that touched you, you can remember such minute, trivial, details 15 years later. The most honest statement I can make is that unless I am in my "gear," I feel off;not connected to the spirit of the world. They are extensions of me, and they have to be put together in different ways on different days, to be just right. Like some weird feng shui. When done right, it is like I am resonating on a different level. All is well and golden, and everything turns up aces that I do, on the small stage anyways. Pure bliss. Freedom, Harmony, and Peace. Without it, nothing goes good. My armor from the junk pile that life throws at me is gone. I know this sounds silly or stupid to a lot of people, but it is true for me. * My hair doesn't have to be a specific way anymore (rocked the chili bowl for 16 years) to feel ok, even though I want to feel freer than work allows and have colored hair or a mohawk or something fun. Well my friend, this took quite a bit of my mental power today. I wanted you to have something to read from me before the weekend. Weather and health permiting, I will get to your new questions and add one or 2 then. Much respect. Stay happy my friend. Horns high. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 28, 2017 11:48:09 GMT -5
@3nwpro Ok buddy, here's the responses to your queries. Sorry it wasn't faster... I can only speak of legal bootlegs, the artist allowed ones, but from what I have heard, they mostly sound kind of muddy (interference and garbled). The ones the magazines or other officials allowed to film from the stage sound/look quite good, on par with a "live recording," but those are more for special performances, or posterity of a one time event/song. People watch them, and they are ok, but we fiend for clean audio, and now with the trend of hd audio (not me), I don't see them being cared for more than for showing off your own experience at a show, or for historical recording of a once in a lifetime performance (one off song, collab, first time, locals, etc.). God bless the Greatful Dead for starting all of this. But as Corey Taylor said, also be present and enjoy the experience. \m/ Social media is a great thing, if it is not done without an acompanying website or email contact for those without the services (I don't want the social medias for myself). The more access you give the fans to bands, be it information, insights from the members, opinions, direct contact, etc., the more we can be a part of their world. The more connected we feel to them, the more we care. I don't do the whole kayfabe thing like others do (I do respect it, though) which I know some like to keep the mystery of folks like the masked bands (they still can by going media silent), but even in those social media cases, they can play up that image a bit (while being open with the fans and letting the veil down a bit), or letting us see them as who they are (which we want), and have that deeper connection. Music is all about that connection to another human; people of like minds or experiences. We all want to connect to these bands, which is why we wait outside the venues, at the buses, at signings, etc., all the way to digging into as much as they can about them (fanaticism). Fans have touched bands like they did us, and music has come from that like Cold and Staind have said (just the references on my tongue), and any way we can further these experiences, let each know what they mean to the other, the more beauty it can produce. There is nothing quite like talking directly (email,social media,face to face) to your heroes and telling them that they mean something to you and having them respond; it leaves an indelible mark of happiness on your soul. Face to face is an awesome experience in its own right, and undoubtedly the best if done to the max, but sometimes more gets said in the written word. This goes for all forms of entertainers or anyone you highly regard from celebs to writers to lecturers. We all connect to something and someone. I got the chance to shake the hands of some bands, and say hi or be on the outside of an alternate conversation (thanks Richter and Bobby B), but these expereriences are above the rest... I got to write an email to Henry Rollins and he responded, kindly. The same for Joe from Craigslist Joe, Art Mann, Sasha Mitchell (kickboxer movies), and the writer of the nu-metal companion book Joel McIver (a few of the other non entertainers I didn't mention). I smile just thinking about these times...I can look on these things when times get a bit too bleak, to help me a bit. I got the autograph of the masked member of KMK without ever meeting him, as a roadie took my postcard on the bus after a show, got it signed and brought it back to me....I never got to meet him but got the autograph and more air of mystery of the man so sad he is dead now and I never got to officially meet him. Legend and hero. RIP Big Pak! It comes to me now, a tad different but unique experience I also got to chat with Lou Dog and call the guy that was selling the low rider from their music video, while sitting next to Lou and relaying pleasantries between them...crazy night. He also once said how oldschool my postcard was I was getting signed. So cool. Not the same as real sentimental convos like the others, but I will cherish the memories always. After all you have done and the shows you went to, I can't wait to hear your awesome stories. The metal apparel that does not belong question is tricky, and very subjective. I say anything anyone wants to wear is cool with me, and I have no problems with anything, but, if you are asking me my opinion on what I would rather not see, it is skinny jeans (non leather) and extremely tight shirts. I just don't understand that look, and it shows off way too much. I always found it weird that a friend of mine bought his jeans in the girls section, so he could have some skinny jeans before they were officially around here. I come from the JNCO era of baggy and comfortable, so this made no sense to me. As for what had their place, I could say denim vests and chain wallets. Vests were places for your patches or to customize in your own way to rep your beloved bands, before the official shirts were a big thing, and they stay staples forever. Chain wallets are useful to stop pick pocketing, and give that edgy look. Nu-metalers with the hats and baggy clothes helped kids wear a lot of what they already had and not buy a new wardrobe; thrash did the same in its era. Glam\Hair Metal was the antithesis with the essential of leather pants....who had leather pants in their closet already? New Questions: Why are more the more intelligent/intellectual crowd attracted to metal and classical. I know we tend to listen to everything, and are highly open minded and find things useful and connections in all, but these two genres are associated with brains and deep thinking. What drove us to them? Are our brains wired seeking complexity of the music like some thesis state, have our experiences in life (hardships), in and out of school, driven us to seek the edge, is it pure happenstance, or have we some other worldy connection to it? Why do some pure metalheads disrespect, or have disdain for, hard rock, and make sure everyone knows there is a delineation between the two genres? I could never really tell the difference, and nu-metal further muddied those waters, but it seems, from what I read, if the music has a bluesy feel at all, lets say to more than a couple songs, or the lyrics are not akin to the overall genre lyrical content (ie: party songs instead) they want you to know it isn't metal, like people have done to Pantera, which wholy baffles me. Is it because these are the connections to the masses, and not geared toward the few? Is this another reason why nu-metal is hated? Hopefully this is a good start for you. I am trying to word another question, but I need to re-listen to an interview before I can make it be complete. Will add it to the next set of responses. Thanks for the fun as always. Hope all is well with you. Horns up! VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Aug 31, 2017 15:13:13 GMT -5
Hey buddy, love what you wrote as always. I always appreciate your hard work. Here we go... Texas is funny, we rarely have anything other than extremes in heat or cold (we call below 32 farenheit cold) here. Seasons are something we know little about here...lol. I always appreciate you respecting what I have to say. Simpatico. I am going to digress for a second too. I wish people here, and other topical forums, would realize that we write these long posts, or talk about these heavy topics, because we are in a safe environment of people that share a similar interest, and we just want to open up a bit to people whom are like minded in a way, and have a better chance of empathizing (thank for the thought Randy Blythe) or understanding something we say than a complete stranger. We are essentially among a bunch of acquaintances waiting to become friends if we try. We all just want to be heard; and that doesn't always happen in 150 characters or less... My friend, I suspect that you will have it all align for you soon. I live by the hope that the pendulum will swing the other way and the universe will finally help the good people it let down in the past. I sincerely say, may the future bring whatever you want and dream, you deserve it. \m/ Nu-metal attire came from Fred a bit, in terms of the hat, jogging suits\shell toes came from John Davis, and other things came from the popluar style at the time (JNCO and baggy shirts) and skater/punk style. Or frankly a mishmash of whatever was in the closet worked too. I sadly don't have a mohawk anymore, but one day I will again (it'll be blue or red when I can figure out a safe dye) I never had long hair (it won't grow down just out and up) so it was the short kind, with the sides of head shaved, and though I liked it, my family hated it. I caught a bit of grief for that one. The dreadhawk is like you said. Dreads pulled into the shape of a mowhawk. If only I had long hair and a pain tolerance. Seriously. I would rock one of those on the daily. The chili bowl is a haircut that looked like you put a bowl on someones head and cut all the hair below the rim (some people did it like that), in the bowl shape. Kind of a layered look in the back. Talk about catching grief....kids. I had the haircut since I was a kid, and I hated change, so I kept it. It was heavily unpopular to say the least. You just taught me something about Follow the Leader. I had no idea the cover was a Tod McFarlane drawing. So cool. I actually emailed them the other day asking about the old Kid Rock figure he proto'd and dropped. They said all those things are warehoused. Wouldn't you love to see a museum of those pieces. I'd pay to see that alone. Ever see the Korn figures and Issues doll? You would dig the looks of them.... I knew you of all people would understand the armor comment on my gear. When life sucks and you have your gear on, you are untouchable and happy. Your attitude changes and confidence emerges. Magical. I wish we could wear it and be ourselves anywhere we wanted. Then again, I don't want to put that bad energy of work on my beloved clothes. It is kind of a catch 22. I knew folks that couldn't wear their music gear to work in a cd store.....now that is truly goofy. Corporate culture took over and let the bodies hit the floor, so to speak. Part 2 You and I share the oldschool way of doing things. I love forums and the idea of fanzines (I only had access to magazines), and it is sad that they are less cherished now. But, it does seem that some keep the flag flying for the oldschoolers like us, still keeping boards around and printing up fanzines for subscription. Just like some still make cassettes or vhs tapes for us too. Social media gives access to so many outside haters, and the others just let us be in our own world and discover. Those stories you shared are epic. I knew you would have some great ones. Thank you. The Jasta story is just awesome. You connected with him in a way few get to. You got to his soul and shared something. Nothing beats that. Humans relating and helping other humans, no matter their status. That is a rare thing in this world.... You talked about Hatebreed meaning something to you, and I have to say, something in me made me listen to Hatebreed yesterday. I needed "I Will Be Heard." But, something else caught me yesterday on Perserverance that I had not realized before, and it touched me, even helped. I listened intently to "You're Not Alone." I don't listen to much Hatebreed, and only a couple tracks here and there when I do, but flipping through to my track, I heard that intro; Jasta was like speaking to the youth there, and me too. I don't get that far gone, but I got something out of it that I needed anyways, and that is beautiful. Life kicks us all in the teeth, and we can all still use a little pick me up, that jolt, and that sense of understanding. Hatebreed plus Starbucks Sweetened Iced Black Coffee makes for a nice start to a junky work day I think it is amazing that they have helped you. Like we alluded to before, we all need something to pull us up from the darkness, especially when we go into the abyss, even if only breifly....it gives us the strength to go on. KMK is the Kottonmouth Kings, you are right. RVD being a KMK fan is something I did not know. That is interesting. They are not super well known, but when people hear them, they can probably find a song they like due to the several styles they play. Your brother may know the punk band Humble Gods, one of the KMK frontmen led that band. Isn't it funny how many lines intersect between music and wrestling. They each expose us to the other at points. I find that unique. Kind of like creative types find the enjoyment in both. Fun fact: Steve Corino got beat up by Fred Durst on stage at a LB show in an ECW segment years ago. I can't say that white shirts bother me, but I would have been puzzled like you were seeing that. Too glitzy is a weird look, but they still rocked hard I bet. Maybe they were trying to say they can look anyway and rock faces off. The white tank top is a metal mainstay too, for quite a few nu-metal/groove guys. I think black is still the main color in metal, but others are allowed to come in now too. I have a white LB shirt, blue System of a Down, grey Zug Izland, yellow and green Soulfly, red Mudvayne, etc. I even have green, orange and purple shirts of bands/rappers. Maybe color branching out is part of the mellowing that you talked about bands doing as they age, or just wanting to set themselves apart from the already packed genre. Either way, I dig it. Bring on the colors to my hats, shirts and sneakers. Ok buddy. I am dead tired. I have to still respond to one of my questions and then your two new killer questions. I will do so as soon as I can. We have a holiday weekend, so I will have some free time. Yay. Stay metal my friend. Thanks as always. VPV
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Post by Mark Martin on Aug 31, 2017 22:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 3, 2017 17:27:04 GMT -5
@3nwpro The completion of the responses..... I agree wholeheartedly with your comments on the intelligent folks and metal. I believe there are a couple of things extra, namely topics covered in content (vikings, band geography, politics, hate, etc.), are things smart folks have an interest in, and school and life aches. School brought a lot of kids to metal. Be it being different and unliked (where I lived played a part), verbally picked on, maturity and not liking kids your own age, seeing the value of and liking only some subjects, etc. I had a little of all of these, as did many others, and ashamedly can't say I was only the recipient at times. Smart kids face a unique set of challenges that made us seek a unique refuge. Like you said, sometimes we just wanted to be different than the frey. Some of us, me included, had other junk that piled on (family disfunction/divorce) and we needed something to release the anger we had inside that the world didn't see on our outside. Music is a haven, in which the metal haven, provided us with people just like us in many different aspects and showed us the world in a different light. I am thankful for that. It also helped me know I wasn't the only person angry at themselves too, and that made for some personal growth. Like they say, each song means something to someone in some way. I will say that my journey to metal was a bit undefined at the same time. I first came to metal from watching TRL and seeing "Got the Life" and "Faith". I cannot say why I fell in love with those songs, and subsequently nu-metal/hard rock/etc., but something just struck a chord with me. You cannot help but bob your head when you hear those tracks. It was like they resonated on my soul frequency or something. I was hooked. *I found Metallica from a guy doing "Enter Sandman" karaoke on the MTV spring break show. *I will leave the classical off, even though it is said to make babies smarter and then the subsequent correlation to loving what you know, and then finding metal which utilized those same aspects and structure (if not near samples).... As for my second question regarding hard rock being maligned, I really was just looking to know, and I knew you were the right person to ask. Thanks buddy, I understand now, even though it is sad that it happens. Mellowing of aging bands has to do, in my mind, with wanting more fans/leave a wider legacy of help, and just honestly mellowing out as we age and find peace. The softer music, or cleaner vocals, as we talked before, reaches that wider audience and gets them into your stuff. Some bands want as many fans as possible, leaving the largest legacy they can, while helping the widest berth of people. The more ears that hear what you want to say, the more you can change. I don't think they have the intention of ever alienating their old fans, but they reached them already and helped, now they just want to say something to the metaphorical "world". Too, as you find peace and happiness, you don't have the anger to expell as much anymore, and your style will inevitably become softer, even though your music will forever be marked with indelible heaviness from your past experiences. Some scars don't fade. Some bands don't find the peace, or just want to keep the loyalty to whom got them where they are, and keep on elevating their heaviness. There are always some bands that just want to reinvent themselves or try something new, and they go even harder, softer, or even change their sound alltogether. Every case is different I presume. They all love what they do and love us, so even if I don't dig where they went, I will support them (buy some merch, go to shows, and talk them up to new listeners) for what they already did for me and others. \m/ The geography question is a good one, but I am not sure how to answer. I don't know as much metal overseas as most people, but have passing knowledge of the styles and the areas. I will say geography definetely influences lyrical content. The problems each country faces are different, and their ancestry backgrounds tend some places to spring unique topics like vikings and church burnings (norse vs christianity) in the far reaches of Europe. I hesitated to say vikings after researching and finding Manowar is from the states, but there are outliers everywhere (and D&D was huge here ). There are the unifying themes of politics and civil unrest that even lyrically are uniquely recognizable to the area it came from when talking about types of police corruption, genocide, communism/socialism/capitalism, the president, etc. Sonically, Europeans probably had more of a classical/operatic music (Beethoven and classical aria singers) upbringing which lends to the more operatic voice of someone like Danny Filth, let alone the keyboard/symphonic additions to the normal metal instruments. The Swedes made the music mesh with their snowy, isolated surroundings, and the norse music they had a background in. The U.S. . Well, it is a mishmash of so much, with the almost need to differentiate itself, even from itself, which could be why stuff like thrash (faster), glam (for the ladies), nu-metal (down tune), etc., seemed to arise from the need to be the antithesis of something we already created from the bluesy rock that originated in the states. *Plus we use some wierd country stuff around here like buckets, spoons, banjos, and blowing on bottles to add in to our music. I forgot to add this, but I think, whatever sound (fast, classical, technical, etc.) and style (growl, operatic, rapping, etc.) is created first in the vacinity, it has the opportunity to influence the future sound of the area it is created in, therefore being most known for that specific sound. This may be more specific even to a region within a country, or even more detailed to an area of a specific state (northern thrash is different than southern nu-metal from california....this is most defined in rap) than the country as a whole. Alright my friend, that should be an answer to everything. Been busy so I haven't come up with any new questions, but I will. I can't wait for your responses. The geography question tongue tied me a bit, confounding me, but I tried my best. Thanks for saying it was a mammoth effort....I wanted to give as much as I could as fast as I could, and work happened to be lighter so I got to hunker down and think it all out. Here's to hoping you have a great one. Horns high! Til next time... VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 6, 2017 19:27:04 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey buddy, hope all is well with you. Texas has had a crazy past week, but luckily me and my loved ones were out of the way. So many weren't as lucky. I appreciate you asking about us.
In regards to the chili bowl, some how I was able to accept change and shave my head, which then grows out like a shaggy helmet and back shaved again. As far as change in general, I still cannot deal with it well. I hate it. If I know something is coming I can prepare a bit, but it is still a grin and bear it situation.
Thats some crazy otherwordly connection with us and the Hatebreed stuff during those days. Something out of nowhere made me need that album that morning (I think I listened to it 2 times prior since I bought it several years ago), and I rarely listen to it. Eerie and awesome!
Hardcore is such an interesting genre of unique people. That NYC Hardcore documentary and one other doc on the genre opened my eyes to it. I don't tend to be drawn to the style, but the backgrounds of the bands themselves makes me want to know so much more. Everything from Cro-Mags to the Hari Krishna lead singers to the straight edge movement make this a scene unlike any other. Some highly open minded individuals, spiritually and otherwise, not to mention dedicated and disciplined. Interesting that such a small movement had such a huge impact on the genre.
Peope helping people. No better synopsis than that. I feel all entertainment is people helping people, to a degree, but people like Jasta have the heart to go the extra mile and take it to the nth degree and put it all out there to help people. I revere folks like Scooter Ward the same way; they write songs based on fans stories. These are rare people and we need more of their kind to save this place.
Like you, I wish the entrance music was still real songs from bands, but at least they still use them as themes to promote specific paperviews. Gives good exposure to the bands.
ECW. Man I could write all day and night about my fond memories of that organization. There was nothing like it, and nothing has ever reached its level since (XPW and 3PW got close). I first got turned onto them on some random Canadian (I think) outdoor channel when Sid came through there. I fell in love instantly. I was still watching during the underrated TNN run. God bless Joey Styles and Joel Gertner!
The only black shirt with crazy colors on it I can think of is my Orgy Vapor Transmission shirt with all the crazy purple rays and red eyes. Though I will say these metalcore bands are good about using colors that pop on black shirts like pink and yellow. I need a band shirt with the pink on black contrast....that just looks crazy cool.
You were right when talking about the "where you live" line in regards to how I got to metal. I kind of take it in terms of state and its general populus' ideals, but also as deep, and in that instance, living in a country area instead of a city/urban area, where the ideals are different than my own.
Specific shirts getting grief at certain shows is something I have seen. It is like you have to wear that bands merch, not even just a label mates, or someone might go, "this is a _____ show and you are wearing that!?!" While some of these instances are jokes, some truly are not. *Due to some controversy, I was kind of wary of wearing my LB hat to a Slipknot show, but it was all good. I dug looking at all the shirts in the lines/crowd to see what people where repping. I got to see some shirts of other bands I liked, underground ones, and it made me even stop and talk to a dude and his girlfriend at a show for what he was wearing. Nice way to meet new people in a place where you already have something in common. As an interesting story, I got love for one of my oldschool shirts of an artist on a bill from a guy whose friend I stopped and gave him his $20 he dropped and didn't see.
I honestly haven't heard of the Devil's Note, and that embarasses me. I will need to read about that. The 7th string (and down tuning) of nu-metal kind of sounds like that case too, from the metalhead perspective....lol. Oh, the "more organized than religion" line was brilliant. Good on you mate.
Your new questions: I would have given anything to be at the early Ozzfests, the first 2 Family Values tours, Woodstock 99, Wickedstock, and all of the past Gathering of the Juggalos. Woodstock meant the world to me, and even though the bad happened, it was monumentally cool too. That collection of bands in the same place during that height of the genres will never happen again. The Gathering, that is a whole experience that music is just a small fraction. Love and Family in that one. Ozzfests would have been fun for the onset of the nu-metal legends. Family Values the same, but there is an extra want to have seen that show as I was not allowed to have the dvd until I turned 18. Wickedstock, it was a horrorcore festival and it would just have been interesting to see these groups live who rarely play anywhere. As for shows that didn't exist, I cannot say I can think of one that got cancelled that didn't come around. I cannot wait to hear your list...
I have to say a band like Limp Bizkit can go hard in front of an arena/open field of thousands, or small clubs. I never got to see them live, but did you see the Napster Tour they did for free back in the day. Club shows with a cage around them and let fans kinda go wild. Look at how they still rock the festival tour circuit overseas and people go nuts. I didn't go see them when I finally could, only out of the sheer fact that I dislike the venue they chose, House of Blues. They ban moshing, and that is not ok with me. I don't get in the pit, but the energy is infectious, and I love to jump around. Don't need anyone harshing my mood, so to speak. Most big bands started in clubs and can still go back for the more intimate shows. I recall some band, or just singer, doing a club tour and promoting it as an intimate way to see them. Element Eighty rocked a mall then the clubs; not arenas, but still interesting. What metal band are you thinking about when you wrote the question?
Youtube thumbnails have caught me so many times. Recently they got me to check out Behemoth, then all Nergal interviews (that dude is fun/interesting to listen too....insightful). I got turned onto Terror Universal when I saw their masked faces show up on my youtube home page. Titles catch me too, in times when an interview or something newsy about a band has only a generic interviewer image. Bands are only a new thing on my "timeline," as I usually watch TED talks, musician interviews? and fighting game matches of UMVC3.
New questions (themed....yay):
Is there an album that you bought, or wanted to buy, based purely on the cd artwork?
I know you don't have tats, and neither do I, but have you ever been temepted to get one of a band you love? If so, what image did you have in your mind, and the placement on the body?
Ok my friend, I expended all my energy on this one. Hopefully this finds you well. I look forward to your responses. Stay safe with all this nutty weather bud. And, on a side note, in regards to what you wrotr about your bro and life, hopefully you find the peace and happiness you are seeking soon. Horns high!
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Post by Mark Martin on Sept 6, 2017 21:34:00 GMT -5
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 11, 2017 13:59:02 GMT -5
Hey Mr. @3nwpro , brilliant responses as always. I am in the midst of trying to write up everything, and I should have it out tomorrow night, given work can slow down a bit and I can catch my mental bearings, which is not easy always. I checked out the official video for that Heaven Shall Burn song. That lead singer is magnetic. That dude draws you in all by himself, then he hits that clean vocal mid song and all you can do is just hold up the horns in respect. Appreciate the awesomeness. Times keep staying tough don't they...
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 12, 2017 17:05:19 GMT -5
Hey Mr. @3nwpro , the responses were epic as always. I had almost everything written on my phone, hit a stray button and poof, here I am writing it all again. I am going to start mine a tad different this time, as I am feeling odd with all the craziness going on; then back to regularly scheduled programming...ha. You know buddy, with everything bad weather wise around the states, I wish so much I was out there helping rescue animals and people, and help rebuilding, or salvage, or just there to lean on for people. I need to do something useful in my life, and not this desk job uselessness. Those volunteers are heroes. ----------------------------------------- Woah man, you raised 5k for charity with your hair...so cool. It is like we said earlier, people helping people is awesome. I have seen people do those Locks of Love drives before, the donating of the hair for wigs for patients/kids, and they are so cool. Since mine grows like a helmet, I can only go 4 months before my hair feels to heavy, then with my OCD, it is all I can think about until it gets cut off. I wish I could see what 7 years with no haircut would be like...maybe it would actually get long enough for standup dreads You know, you are right that pop music is outwardly deemed the positive music. I like to think that this is just the group think of the second, and not necessarily how most people feel when they truly internalize the thoughts. Hatebreed is definitely necessary, as, like we said before, all entertainment (music/movies/books/art/etc.) helps someone, if even just the creator. Hardcore reached people that other music never did, and for a lot of genres, cared to. Oddly I have been gearing towards punk for the uplifiting stuff lately. I will always wonder why I sang Mest's "Up on the Rooftops" to my friend's 2 month, or less son, when I saw him for the second time. Why, of all songs, of all bands, did that come out of me at that awesome moment? His dad was singing something first His wife got footage of me singing to the baby and I hope he sees it one day. Gotta buy him that album for a future birthday present. Being a kid and discovering music is a feeling like no other.....I know you know what I mean. I did not find out about those fanzines until much later, but we had some great rock mags to buy here (hit parader, metal hammer, rolling stone, revolver). Plus, we even had, in-store, an underground (small distribution) rap mag that I loved; 2 more localized rap mags exist that I couldn't get around here. Most of my music knowledge (band discovery) of the 90s and early 2ks came from MTV, radio, my friends' recommendations, magazines, and video games. Reading you talk of 2nd hand music shops makes me want to talk about how awesome (and superior) physical music is, in so many ways. I could rant for days (it would so be a rant) how physical media will forever be needed, and people don't see the problem with digital disappearing, only renting technically what you think you own, how digital gives less for the same or more price, etc., but I will save that for another day ECW. I am jealous you watched them for 7 years. I got them for 4 but feel so lucky to have those memories. I will forever stand by Joey Styles; the greatest announcer of all time. That locker room, those fans, that arena. Nothing will ever top it. I will love it forever and miss it always. I will support all of the wrestlers wherever they go. What the wrestling world did to Joey last year was attrocious. As you know, I disagree with the work think, and feel differently in general about work, so it was awful to watch people stand up for what happened. What in the world is going on? We are fans. We are rebels. You side with the boss and not the dude who gave you all those wonderful memories, especially for something that you would expect him to say. The one thing that people kept saying stands up though, in an opposite way from the junky way they meant it, is that this isn't ECW anymore. Man how true that is. We would do well for even a slice of that magnificent place to come back around again. Here's to hoping. God bless all of them in their endeavors. They deserve all the accolades, truly. I am indebted to those folks. You are right about Scooter, he is from Cold. You got heart buddy. That is needed in this world. Any band that respects the fans, and are truly inspired by and show love to their fans is someone I will support, and recommend, even if I don't dig their music. Writing songs from fan experiences has to be a monumental moment in that fan's life when they hear it. The reciprocated love. Man that will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck. Heck, it is rare you see bands (when they get big) stay around and meet fans after a show or still do in-store signings. I never knew about Parkway Drive doing that, never heard of them before, but that is neat. The old people helping people topic we were talking about. So cool. How rare of humans to let someone not only make money off of their name, but to let people create their own designs to do it with. Bands aren't the only ones with cool designs for themselves, and we deserve to rep them, and if it helps others too, all the better. The exposure they get in those regions is hopefully massive. I would hop on my soap box for a long time if I was to write all about what Metallica and others did/do to people, but that wouldn't be proper here. Instead I shall say, Metallica....grrr. People don't realize that being good to people comes back as good karma, and it also gets paid forward. We need many more people like Parkway Drive in this world, not just the entertainment industry. Kind folks. \m/ I appreciate the kind words about me giving the gentleman his money back. Such a great time and that incident caused such a cool interaction with those folks, I will never forget it. My Blaze shirt is still in my closet that I wore that day. Like you, I don't drink. I am straight edge, actually; I just don't tend to use the label or talk about it unless someone asks. I tend to stay away from people when they want to drink and visit them later. I was referring to Fieldy's drop c, and the extra string he plays with. I just thought it was the 7th string, which I now know it isn't after reading about it. I swear some nu-metal documentary talked about it, but it must have been a 5 string bass with the downtuning. That makes me feel dumb when I should know full well the origins of the nu-metal I love. Good on you buddy for knowing what I was referring to. I haven't heard of the Montreal one, but I have heard of Wacken. I have seen some footage and hear it is like the pilgramage for metalheads of Europe to take. You deserve to be there man....so many great truly metal bands of many sub-genres. No one is more metal than you On a side note, did you see Decapitated got arrested on a kidnapping charge in California? I have my suspicions that it is a false accusation from the lady, as a witness saw her willingly get on the bus, then someone saw her get off ok later, so it seems weird. Sad to see their names dragged, and death metal, through the mud. I have been doing some youtubing of new bands lately, the best of 2016-2017 from nu-metal, rap-metal, and alternative metal (so many more on there). I am finding this a good way to find new bands that are actually good, like Atilla. You might find this helpful for new stuff in your beloved subgenres of metal too. I bought only a few albums purely by artwork alone, but without money issues, would have done many more. Slightly Stoopid, Pillar, BloodFlowerz, L.U.N.G.S., and Dislocated Styles, come to mind as ones I bought on looks alone. I would buy albums from horrorcore folks (1 of each) just because, even never hearing more than their name. I bought a random Cradle of Filth album used because I wanted to hear some metal one day, not hearing any of the album. I went on single and clearance buying sprees, grabbing anything I had heard of, was genre listed, or just looked rock/metal or rap (ie: Gorefest, Diecast, Pilfers, Apartment 26). "Pay the Girl" caught my eye by the cover (I love roses), and I sampled it on Amazon, then bought it. An sort of connected odd story: My weirdest cd buy was The Nixons self titled album. I was in Hastings with my grandma, senior year of highschool, just went back to a city I loathe, was looking at the racks and this red/black cover caught my eye. Nothing special. Looked at it, put it back, looked around, and randomly decided to buy it before I left. Used for $5.99. I had never heard of the band, let alone the album, but my grandma let me get it anyway. Something drew me to it, but I am not sure what. I think I saw it was on a local record label, but nothing else. Long story short-ish, I love that album top to bottom. One of my favorite songs ever is the acoustic jazz (on a rock record) version of "Shine" that plays after the end of the original song. Man that band is awesome. As for tats, due to my ocd and mental state, if I got something that didn't wash off, I would sincerely scratch my skin off. Piercings are along the same line. If I could though, I think I would have either my back or arms done with the faces of ICP (Wraith paint), a hatchetman, and some kind of theme, maybe carnival rides , diamond rain, and faygo, with the wraith calling me up. I once saw an AJB era ICP face tat in a leg that has the claw rips, and I thought about it ever since. I wanted to mark my body with them to show my love and devotion for what they did for me, even though I rarely listen to them anymore. I think it is kind of cool that it is now rebelious to not have any tats....I'll take that. Ok man, I think that is all. I finally finished it, again. I cannot believe I lost 80 percent of it. Sorry I don't have any new questions, but hopefully I can put up a couple tomorrow. Stay metal my friend. Horns high. Thanks as always... VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 19, 2017 16:21:27 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey buddy, hope all is well with you. Here goes the neighborhood.... You whats funny, I did know of 1984 (huge in the conspiracy community), and a bit about it and the identity of the author, but never read it. Groupthink is an interesting concept that I learned about through those channels. Funny how much that concept applies to so many different areas of life. My friend's son loves Deadmouse and cumbia music now. His dad and I are going to show him nu-metal in a few years and some punk too. Here's to hoping we can bring a new generation to the greatness that is metal. \m/ Regarding Joey Styles, it was something Gabe had stated explicitly that he was not allowed to make political remarks (first show of some new partnership....they complained too), but Joey made an on-topic political Trump inspired joke, the likes of what Joey does best, keeps it current, and the walls came crumbling down. Due to disobeying the boss (I cringe just writing that), he got fired. For the joke, the other promotions (Chikara, and some other one) cancelled his upcomming gigs. Quack wrote a long letter about inclusion and such regarding Joey's firing, and twitter piled on hard. Dawn Marie was one of the few, along with Jim Cornette, to come to Joey's defense. Joey apologized for everything and basically removed himself from wrestling all together, essentially deleting all of his twitter except for posters of the first ECW payperview and the first One Night Stand. It is like he is saying that was the true work he wants to be remembered for, and the time when he was accepted, in my opinion. It is a complete travesty that he was basically blackballed, and drove out his want to commentate anymore, if anyone would even let him. I will forever stand by Joey Styles, and wish he would come back, we need him back, but he is probably too hurt. Sad state of affairs this world is in. I like current events with my wrestling, and it seems wrestling has intertwined itself on multiple occasions with the current topics, but politics is so devisive these days, they say nothing. I yearn for the days of yesteryear. I know I am old and out of touch, but doing somebody wrong like that is not cool in my book, regardless of loyalty. Long live Joey Styles. Thanks for the memories. (I know people will read this and disagree, so this is all just my opinion.) The Bubba Ray Dudley remark is great and truly fitting for those folks. True rebels. It would be an interesting study of people to ask which side of the legacy vs money coin they would fall on. Neither side makes for bad folks, just gives some interesting insight and foreshadowing. I will take doing things my way, loving every second, doing it for the few, the like-minded, than the masses and the money any day. In the end, all you have is your legacy and how many lives you have impacted. When saying impacted, I mean more like changed than just seen and felt slightly. The drinking and drug culture is quite huge over here, and quite normalized. It is funny how if you don't do these things you are a wierdo, stuck up, or a downer. I am ok with that. I like being different. I will say I can be addicted to some coffee and soda though Alchohol has been something I have witnessed first hand the devestation it reeks, and want zero part of, ever. I haven't luckily been around many drug users, but the same destruction applies, even if only self destruction. The Cradle album I bought was Nymphetamine. I rarely am in the mood for Cradle, but it works for those moments. I only knew of Cradle from random friends mentioning them and those awesome t-shirts I would see at the mall over the years, and was highly intrigued. By the time I bought the album I knew their style and needed a bit of that in my life. Complacency be gone. Some of those bands I bought strictly from the covers, or the genre, turned out ok and others, well they need another listen. I try to like all music, at least find one song I can dig, but there are some albums that have stayed sealed because I knew they were bad buys instantly, or just never wanted to so that genre. Should have skipped Sugar Spun. That dang back cover was so cool though.... for the ones I listed by name, I may not have listend to the whole albums, but from what I heard, was pleased with my purchase. Gorefest is fun, but fairly rare, so I get scared to put it in my car where I would listen to it most....lol. For horrorcore, it is small enough to do that, barring all editions of something (barcode variance, case/cover variants, etc.), and a lot of it was cheap, so I would buy near complete discographies of acts new to me for around $25. Worth it no matter what. Kind of like Pokemon, gotta catch em all. Me saying not having tattoos is rebelious was just referencing something I heard once in regards to the fact that most people, around these parts, especially in the age group, have tats. But, to be fair, there is that tipping point when not having a tattoo makes you the odd man out, and being different was half of the original point, so it kind of works. Hipsters are interesting. I have no problem with them, but too, they are super different than me. Hipsters come with an extra mindest of hyper judgement that I tend to not like. I am torn. They do things ironically that I love, but in doing so, revive long gone things that I truly wanted return from bands to vinyl to Jnco Jeans and Dunkaroos. I gotta thank them for that. Not all the hipsters have the skinny jeans and shirts. Plus, they have created some great creative businesses (coffee bars, art galleries, creativity lab spaces, etc.) and revived hobbies like yoyoing, board games, and kickball that people think are too childish but I love They are kind of open minded in some ways which helps the world, but closes minded in ways where they ought not be. They fight too hard to banish instead of accept and include. When it comes to metal, I see a lot of the hipster style in the clothing and voice choices. From what I see, the ones you can identify as hipsters, they do the more high-pitched screaming like in emo or screamo and wear skinny jeans with huge earring holes in their lobes (not that these are bad qualities). Now there are surely other hipster versions in metal, probably to thank for some new nu-metal, and the resurgance of say a new Limp Bizkit or Papa Roach record, so I have to be thankful they interjected themselves into our world and gave it some new blood. I see the skinny clothes fading away, especially with their body shaming mentality, but the ideals are more what make them who they are, and that is here to stay. Maybe they give us oldschool cats some new perspectives and we can give them some new ways to see things too, making that all better universal harmony. Wishful thinking, right? Honestly mate, I have never heard of bedroom black metal. I started looking into them a bit after I read this, but haven't listened to the black metal ones yet, but did find a nu-metal one called Niverlare I want to listen to more of. There is supposedly a one-man rap metal act here in Texas, so I have to check that out. If I can find the time I will watch that Vice doc. Black metal is pure passion, and to be able to do your own vision independent of anyone else has got to be liberating. The talent they must have to play all those instruments, and at a such high level....I bow to them. Will write more about it when I can be more informed. I did recall one man doing all the instruments for some rock record I love, but for the life of me, it is escaping me. This did make me look up famous one man bands and found people like Phil Collins (the master), NIN, and others that I didn't realize where the solo creators of their musical brilliance. Interesting stuff. I am jealous. New questions: If you could make a music figure line like McFarlane did, who would you do, what style of figure (articulated, funko, giant jack in the box, etc.), what material, how would you package them (card art ideas too, if you can think of any), and would you put anything else with the figure (cd, stand, poster, guitar pick, etc.)? What do you think of multiple exclusive cuts of a cd, where one cut differs, sold exclusively to different retailers, not being able to have all songs until you purchase the same album at each store? Is it the same way if it is just cover art differing, or do you buy just your favorite, even if it was your favorite band. Do these fan pack, multi pack (exclusive t-shirt, vinyl, cd, sticker, autographed, et al) packages for more money annoy you, or is it not seen in the metal arena as much? Do you feel hidden tracks are still awesome to have on an album, and are they love letters to cassettes (the time when you just let it play out until side turn)? I am sure I can come up with more questions soon, but I think you'll enjoy these. I hope my replies are up to your standards, as always. I always enjoy the convo my friend. Thanks as always and horns high! Til next time... VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Sept 26, 2017 12:24:47 GMT -5
@3nwpro Hey man, I appreciate all the greatness you posted. Hopefully this lives up to yours. Here we go... I am still looking at acquiring those oldschool ECW shirts. I love how some of the designs have been redone in a way by the wrestlers on PWT, like Justin Credible. That Team Extreme shirt was one I regret not trying to buy when ECW was in business. I wish they would have had a merchandise catalog back then, Sears style. What a Christmas that would have been! That is so cool you have a collection of Australian metal releases. It sucks that they are mostly defunct, from what you said, but there in lies an opportunity. You might think about trying to unite these bands and see if you can do a free show or something cool with these bands for the community, one day. You got the heart and the drive. Play a park and see if the city would donate the electricity, to make sure you guys aren't out of pocket. Probably wacky, but just a thought I thought you might like. I want to do this with that tour I posted in the other thread with Switched and TM. One day, my friend, one day. I do remember myspace, haha; blast from the past. I liked how they had so many bands that would put up a song or 2 for people to dig on. So many good demos were out there like that. I still refrence those pages for defunct bands on occasion. If you ever find that link, it'll definetely give it a listen. I appreciate it buddy. Q1: I have been pondering, and planning this action figure question for awhile. It is something I eventually want to really do. What you put together sounds brilliant, and it needs to happen. Seeing Behemoth decked out in all their gear would be epic (to be max Nergal, he needs a reference to the Kentucky Incident...). The pure brilliance of your idea and style of figures comes 2 fold. You have the classy looking statues which anyone would want to display, in (diorama which would probably be their stage backdrop I am guessing) or out of box (the box is mouth-watering with what I suspect has that Rock Toons image style), then the ability to bring in more fans to the genre by giving them free music from these bands. So smart, my friend. My style varies daily, literally, but since you got statues, I will go McFarlane or SOTA scaled figs like the Rob Zombie and Eminem figs. I have thought about every styld from Funko to the Gruntz to Mezco to Art Asylum's Jack in the Box oddities to dolls w/ clothing to lifesize. McFarlane gave them the action pose, and I feel that is important to some figures I would run. My band choices come from wanting to see something odd in a figure, or unique, not just a plain jane person; I'll keep this to metal ones, even if it is hard My brain is leading me to the vs style one off of Limp Bizkit vs Slipknot, and an untitled (tbd) nu-metal fig set, but a "Through the Years" would be cool too even if just interchangeable head accessories. Limp Bizkit (Ozzfest 99) background of inside of figs makes up the stage set of the show with the backdrop and giant toilet, with each band member's seperate fig coming with a piece to "build a" giant toilet for fred to stand on. If aligned right on the wall (in an offset way), moc, the band would be in formation and make the scene on the wall. Instrument accessories with each band member, in place in rocking poses (moveable). Fred has the double mic grab hunched over pose in box. The cardback would have the the band logo, name and headshot, and stats for the member (like a fighter). Slipknot (s/t red jumpsuits) This backdrop, if aligned right, would make up the old Slipknot worded red/white backdrop, but each figure would come with a piece to make the giant "S" logo (standable) when assembled. Each member comes solo with their normal instrument accoutrements, but Clown has a bat for his keg drum set. The cardback would be the same stat style as LB above. *Everything in my soul said to make the background be the "tower" background pic they did back then and have a large tower be put together as accessories, able to bend the boys together to recreate that pic, which always said "we're coming for you," to me, but alas I wanted a theme. Would you have dug it that way and cardbacks be black with the red and white numbers only, with the fronts together creating the backdrop of that poster? The extras for this series would be an auto'd fight promotion poster for a pic of the person with each fig sent in for a mailaway. I think each figure should come with an exclusive b-side from those days, unrealeased magic, if it exists, or some kind of add on like a contest for tickets at least. I want people to get so much from having these.... The nu-metal series would probably be a made to order set, I would keep the price point as cheap as possible, in an ideal world, free, but these bands deserve to be immortalized in figure form, even if for just a select few people who would truly love them. I would have stuff like interchangable heads, alternate costumes, extra hands, maybe a sealed gel pack that looks like blood, and something special and real from each band, like those wwe cards with pieces of the shirt or something. Custom orders, for a bit more, could be done any way they wanted a fig to look. I do know the Mudvayne would come, traditionally, with a white card back and shock blue lettering to have the feel of the "Dig" video. As you know, my brain goes wild with stuff like this, and I could keep going, but nothing else is as fleshed out. I do plan on going for this one day though, for sure. It may take law changes, but I can do it. Q2: Man, I am glad you don't have to really deal with the multiples of albums to get the extra tracks. I figure you do deal with international album releases with the extra tracks, which I want to venture into but is too expensive. Is that true? I truly despise that one track changes per store exclusive, and there could be more than 2 exclusives and a regular album. I can't drop $15 twice for only one extra track and not even alternate artwork. If it was just different artwork, I would normally buy just my favorite one. I have seen it in metal to a degree with exclusives like Cold had with Best Buy (extra cd with DKOP), Godsmack (shirt?), etc., then there is the general deluxe album (digipak too...those cd covers felt heavenly) not exclusive to a retailer like LB did (extra songs and variant artwork), but I have never seen it done with various exclusives to multiple retailers. As a matter of fact, Shadows Fall had a walmart exclusive...just wierd. The reason behind the question: Bone Thugs dropped exclusives to three retailers I believe, only posting the info on their site (not on the cd itself), and not all cities have all the retailers. That was bogus. I see all these fye exclusives and best buy exclusives that you honestly have to buy online now, because I either don't have the store or they stay poorly stocked. Man I miss my local record store. Now we have come into the age of online webstores for every band, in which the exclusives are there, but these packs are so high priced you feel ill paying for them, especially for just a shirt and a vinyl (unless auto'd, but those are sooooo high), and then they start to make you pay for meet and greets at their shows (in a pack too with a shirt). I feel like these exclusives are taking over and nothing is like it used to be. I miss the old days where most bands didn't abuse their power and exploit us for all we have, unlike some of these bands today. Sign of the times, I guess. Q3: I love hidden tracks. They feel like I am getting a free track I didn't know was even there. First you get the feeling of discovery...the holy smokes moment. Then you get to hear something that is probably an experimental piece, or a b-side, and it is just a nice gift, regardless if it is good or not; not to say I will listen to it again like a skit or something. You get the rare treat of having a hidden gem on there like Cold did on "Year of The Spider" with 'Gone Away' from the Tough Enough 2 Soundtrack. There aren't a ton of standouts as hidden tracks that I have heard, but the majority are solid. I definitely feel they are love letters to cassettes, which I never thought about in that way prior to coming up with the question. It recreates that feeling of elation when you break out of the sad silence and realize the end is another track away. Kind of like how Ron Popeil used to make me feel on his infomercials...lol. I never really thought of them like you described as time filler, but it makes sense the way you describe the time aspect of full side capacity. You always bring the musical knowledge. I dig it. Q4: I get my band news in various ways. Mostly, it is from videos regarding bands that I search that pop-up in my youtube feed from Loudwire and Bryan Stars.I watch a lot of small segments from both, as they cover bands I like and the gossip, so to speak. I flip around on the Loudwire page, as they have different tales and segments more than news and clips. Random youtubers have stuff that pops up from a meet and greet and such that are good to see how stuff is going. This forum gives me new news on metal...thanks buddy. Otherwise I google and wikipedia for info on the bands that I like that are trash for most people. The bands websites, twitter, and facebook give good updates too, which I sometimes hit up, and exclusively in cases of bands like Flaw. For reviews, I really don't do anything outside of Amazon, and not really that for the most part. I just sample them on there if it is a band I've never heard of, then go from there. Q5: I think there can be another gigantic band like Slipknot, but they are going to have to not only bridge the gap between genres like they did (nu-metalers and oldschoolers loved them), but also address the issues of the day that people are truly caring about, politically, socially, and internally, but come from a place of truly caring and want to cause change. Slipknot had that attitude that they were here to truly do something and fight for it...they were honest and about it. There will need to be something hypnotic about it, from clear, and fairly catchy, for lack of a better word, choruses to melodic singing in at least part (to bridge the gap). I would say they would have to bring an image new to the scene, but it could go away from outfits and masks, but I suspect it wouldn't be just a throwback to the jeans/t-shirt era of old; something unique should be there to break away from the past. New Questions: Is there a band you say is your favorite, but when thinking about it, there is someone you like more? Is slamdancing (fight style flailing) something you see, and is it accepted or just too dangerous? Ok buddy, I am drained. I know the new questions aren't great, but I wanted to throw something out there. Sorry to hear what you and your bro are dealing with. I hope it gets better for him. It is nice he has you around to get him through it. Might be time to hit a mosh pit, if I say so myself. Good on ya mate. Til next time, keep the horns high. I look forward to your reply. Cheers. VPV
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Post by vampiroporvida on Oct 10, 2017 9:11:59 GMT -5
@3nwpro
Hey buddy, I appreciate the hardcore thought you put into this response, especially knowing all that you are dealing with. Off to the races....
Justin Credible is listed as last wrestling in 2016, but I swear he did an indy date since then. He is still fun to watch. He also does his wrestling school youtube show, which is neat. I did not remember Taz designed the shirts, which is cool to know. You made me want to look up a retrospective on those shirts, and man they are so 90s, and awesome. I think one guy is trying to catalog them all, for posterity sake.....we need more people like that for so many other subjects.
I understand what you mean by the metal scene there and losing interest. Sadly, and I truly mean that, scenes change, and not for the better a lot of times. I dig your style and passion for what you love, and I just want to tell people they can do extraordinary things (everyone deserves to be told this....I wish I had been told more), which is why I mentioned you throwing a show. No worries man.
Thanks for the links to the doc. I will find some time and watch it. Gotta have wifi though, my cell doesn't have that much data. You posed a rhetorical question about how are these people so like minded, and I want to explore this. I was thinking about this question in a different context the other day when you said you listend to some Lostprophets out of nowhere, and my mind was blown. The simple phrase is always, great minds think alike, but there is something else there. I look at it kind of like this: Each person has their own unique frequency that they run on, for lack of a better term. Us like minded cats could be so similar in frequency that we are more likely to go a certain direction, and with certain similar forces acting upon us, we are more inclined to gravitate to the same things, or act in a certain manner. Too, if we interact with these people whom we resonate with, or their waves, we may be more receptive to something creative they produce. This could explain why we are inspired by who/what we are, and how we go about our creative pursuits. Without going further down a rabbithole and sounding like a lunatic, I think that is a decent way to explain what I am thinking.
Thanks for the kindness on my action figure idea. I love music and love action figures, so this is a sweet spot of thought for me. I love to think about it and fill the gaps that exist. I had no idea Schamberger did that kind of painting....wow that would make those boxes pop. Your creativity makes it blend into the fine art territory, or museum style, if you will.
Oh, I understand what you mean by extra time. Makes sense. That Slipknot hidden track eludes me, but I am really now just beginning to deeply explore their albums more than using them as favorite track mixtapes like I did for years. I never thought about them being a reaction to the music and times, but I like that way of looking at it. A little more rebelious and gung-ho than my thought that it was all to do something (unique sound and lyrics) to express and help where others had not.
What you wrote about consitency and feel made me rethink my whole answer to the question about favorite band. Ever since "Significant Other" came out, it was Limp Bizkit 'til the wheels fall off. Come highschool, it was Insane Clown Posse, but LB always right there too. Not too long ago, I posed to myself the question, and consitency is what I see myself looking at. I love LB, but there are songs, and a whole album (UTP1) that baffle me. ICP was a movement and great songs, but most are just from latter Joker Cards. I cannot think of any song from Stroke 9 that I don't love, even though a couple I don't love as much as the others on "All In," the true answer is them. When I throw on their album, I just go to another place. LB gives me a unique feeling, a happiness and memories of the good times, ICP the same, but Stroke 9 does that and gives me peace; they take me away to a better place. You made me think beyond consitency and to deeper meaning and happiness. Bravo sir.
Slamdancing was something I had only seen on the old Roadies (Ozzfest) MTV show back in the day. The referred to it as violent and kind of selfish in the sense that you need such clearance around you not to hit someone. Too easy for a fight to break out. I don't do it, but one song I love that always makes me want to throw out an air jab when I hear the beat, when I heard it live, I had to think about how it would he perceived. I threw a quick short air jab (made sure no one was near), and went back to jumping up and down. I had to do it once...lol. *Green Day is still fun to listen to sometimes.
I haven't had an mp3 player in 14 years, so I just listen to my cds and tapes (vinyl on a rare occasion). I have the majority of my favorites on the floor, my mainstays, but sometimes I flip through everything I have and rediscover the bands that way, then dig into where they are now when I start listening to them. It happened with Lostprophets like we talked about, but not too long ago, Eve 6 and Hoobastank too. Sometimes I get the jog of a tune in my head of something long forgotten, and then I have to dig a bit too. Some odd things just hit me at weird times, from random tunes to a hankering for an album I hadn't listened to more than a snippet of, and it you just know it will hit the spot. Ooohhh yyyeeeahhh!
I tell you what, I don't even put music on my phone to carry with me. If I am in a spot where I can't have my cds, Pandora or Slacker do the trick. Or I just sing what I want to hear (I don't have the worst voice).
New Qs: If you could only have one, stranded on an island, what album would you have with you?
What is it that keeps foreign markets loving older bands, and their new music, that so many people just forget about and go onto the new thing? (Ie: LB plays South America and Europe alot, but not states. They are still loved there.) Is it maybe loyalty, or does the music still resonate there on a wide scale, or ....? How do we make them popular in our areas again?
Why does metal do better in those countries than other places, even though other countries create so many of the bands?
Well buddy, hopefully this reaches you in better spirits. Always glad to listen to what you have to say. I understand your sentiments on the other dream card thread, no worries man. Life is kicking me around too, lately (like the past 4-5 years), and to top it all off I turn 30 in less than a week, and every notion I have had of thinking I would do x by 30, is crashing in on me and it is a bad feeling of failure. Here's to hoping one day I do the things I believed I would. Here's to us all doing what we dream. Cheers mate. Horns high! \m/
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