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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 6, 2009 23:38:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I see the Eagles probably winning the NFC East. I just don't know what the Giants offense is going to do this year and I definitely don't see them winning 13 games without a wide receiver that can stretch the field. I do agree that those three teams will make the playoffs. Well their run game is going to be in the top 5 this year, barring any injury to Jacobs or the Offensive Line. I think Domenik Hixon has the potential to be that field stretcher that the Giant's lacked at the end of the season last year. However, I'll wait for preseason to pass judgment. And it wouldn't be entirely out of the picture to see their defense win them 13 games. It's stacked right now. |
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Jun 7, 2009 0:55:39 GMT -5
Honestly, I see the Eagles probably winning the NFC East. I just don't know what the Giants offense is going to do this year and I definitely don't see them winning 13 games without a wide receiver that can stretch the field. I do agree that those three teams will make the playoffs. Well their run game is going to be in the top 5 this year, barring any injury to Jacobs or the Offensive Line. I think Domenik Hixon has the potential to be that field stretcher that the Giant's lacked at the end of the season last year. However, I'll wait for preseason to pass judgment. And it wouldn't be entirely out of the picture to see their defense win them 13 games. It's stacked right now. I look at it in comparison to a team like the 2002 Bucs. That team had a better defense and only won 12 games. Granted, they won the Super Bowl as well. It could happen but I'll be surprised if they win 13. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 7, 2009 0:58:32 GMT -5
Jason Smith should be an upgrade for the Rams at LT (over Orlando Pace).
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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 7, 2009 10:37:19 GMT -5
Well their run game is going to be in the top 5 this year, barring any injury to Jacobs or the Offensive Line. I think Domenik Hixon has the potential to be that field stretcher that the Giant's lacked at the end of the season last year. However, I'll wait for preseason to pass judgment. And it wouldn't be entirely out of the picture to see their defense win them 13 games. It's stacked right now. I look at it in comparison to a team like the 2002 Bucs. That team had a better defense and only won 12 games. Granted, they won the Super Bowl as well. It could happen but I'll be surprised if they win 13. The Giant's also have a better offense than the 2002 Bucs. To write off the Giants offense because of the receiver situation is foolish. There are many, many different schemes they can use. But I think Hixon has the ability to play at an elite level. Look at the Seahawk game, the Arizona game, and the Redskin game. He filled in nicely. Then you look at the game's they lost in that stretch. 1. Philly: That was an awful, awful game. Every receiver was dropping passes, Jacobs took himself out of the game after the half. Hixon did drop the one bomb, but that's something that can be corrected. 2. Dallas: We were missing Jacobs, and two of our starting offensive lineman. Jacobs has a HUGE impact on the playing field, because his presence is ridiculous. The Dallas defense did play well though, and their offense made plays when they needed. 3. Minnesota: We lost by one after putting in our 2nd/3rd team in the second half. Carney also missed a FG. It's not entirely out of the question for the Giant's to be really, really good. That said, it's not out of the question for them to go 10-6 and get the 6th wild card seed. We'll see how preseason works out. I have a good feeling about Hixon and Smith leading the way. |
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Jun 7, 2009 10:43:54 GMT -5
Jason Smith should be an upgrade for the Rams at LT (over Orlando Pace). The Rams have actually have Barron playing LT and Smith at RT. Barron is a better LT than RT, but we will see what comes of it. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 7, 2009 12:27:52 GMT -5
Jason Smith should be an upgrade for the Rams at LT (over Orlando Pace). The Rams have actually have Barron playing LT and Smith at RT. Barron is a better LT than RT, but we will see what comes of it. I know that's how they have him now, but I just really doubt that it stays that way. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 7, 2009 14:44:49 GMT -5
The Rams have actually have Barron playing LT and Smith at RT. Barron is a better LT than RT, but we will see what comes of it. I know that's how they have him now, but I just really doubt that it stays that way. As do I. Smith is gonna be making the move over before seasons end. |
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Jun 9, 2009 13:02:50 GMT -5
I hope the Rams draw up some plays that make Jason Smith receiver elligible.
And Kilquid, You really don't like Pace do you?
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Post by Kliquid on Jun 9, 2009 13:07:48 GMT -5
Pace is just mediocre now. He's one of the best players of all-time, and a sure-fire hall of famer; but he's not that great anymore.
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Post by dr percival cox on Jun 9, 2009 14:16:13 GMT -5
For the Giants' receiver arguments, I just want to throw in my 2 cents.
Sure, they may not have a true #1 like Burress, hopefully whoever it was they drafted can develop, but if not I don't think its a huge problem. (Sorry I couldn't remember the receiver they drafted)
And here is my reasoning (I hate to also relate to the Dolphins but oh well lol)
We had Pennington last year, accurate and a great game manager. Which I can see Eli doing that aswell.
We had no #1 receiver, the closest was Ginn and he isn't spectacular, but he's solid. Much like all of the Giants' receivers. Ginn stretched the field and had defenses focus on him which allowed other 'slot' type of receivers like Bess and Camarillo and the tight ends to get open.
Steve Smith is a good slot type of receiver I believe, as are the others. And I assume if (drafted player) gets a lot of attention from the defense, everyone else will get open. Which should work pretty well if Eli can spread the ball around, not create turnovers, and of course the run game is going to help alot.
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Post by The Best on Jun 9, 2009 15:40:08 GMT -5
They drafted Hakeem Nicks in the first round, big receiver with great hands, but he's not a burner. Hixon, Smith and Moss have the speed with Moss being the fastest, but he hasn't done anything in the years he's been with them. Hopefully he can really work hard this offseason and be the burner that the Giants need.
Yea it's a stretch for all of these guys to become awesome at the same time, and it won't happen, but just imagine if Moss and Hixon became effective burners, Smith as the slot receiver and Nicks being the big man. Won't happen, but it would be insane lol.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 9, 2009 15:43:07 GMT -5
For the Giants' receiver arguments, I just want to throw in my 2 cents. Sure, they may not have a true #1 like Burress, hopefully whoever it was they drafted can develop, but if not I don't think its a huge problem. (Sorry I couldn't remember the receiver they drafted) And here is my reasoning (I hate to also relate to the Dolphins but oh well lol) We had Pennington last year, accurate and a great game manager. Which I can see Eli doing that aswell. We had no #1 receiver, the closest was Ginn and he isn't spectacular, but he's solid. Much like all of the Giants' receivers. Ginn stretched the field and had defenses focus on him which allowed other 'slot' type of receivers like Bess and Camarillo and the tight ends to get open. Steve Smith is a good slot type of receiver I believe, as are the others. And I assume if (drafted player) gets a lot of attention from the defense, everyone else will get open. Which should work pretty well if Eli can spread the ball around, not create turnovers, and of course the run game is going to help alot. I think Bess will emerge as their #1 either this year or next. |
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Jun 10, 2009 19:01:39 GMT -5
For the Giants' receiver arguments, I just want to throw in my 2 cents. Sure, they may not have a true #1 like Burress, hopefully whoever it was they drafted can develop, but if not I don't think its a huge problem. (Sorry I couldn't remember the receiver they drafted) And here is my reasoning (I hate to also relate to the Dolphins but oh well lol) We had Pennington last year, accurate and a great game manager. Which I can see Eli doing that aswell. We had no #1 receiver, the closest was Ginn and he isn't spectacular, but he's solid. Much like all of the Giants' receivers. Ginn stretched the field and had defenses focus on him which allowed other 'slot' type of receivers like Bess and Camarillo and the tight ends to get open. Steve Smith is a good slot type of receiver I believe, as are the others. And I assume if (drafted player) gets a lot of attention from the defense, everyone else will get open. Which should work pretty well if Eli can spread the ball around, not create turnovers, and of course the run game is going to help alot. The difference between your reasoning and what actually happened is that without a deep go to guy that offense sputtered and stalled at the end of the season...whereas the Dolphins, god love them, relied on a gimmick offense to get the job done. I'm not knocking it and if I had to pick a second favorite team it would be them, but most of their successes came from running an offensive scheme that nobody in the NFL was ready to defend. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 10, 2009 19:54:32 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez signed today...5 years, 28 million guaranteed.
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Post by Bubba Ray DJ on Jun 10, 2009 20:26:49 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez signed today...5 years, 28 million guaranteed. Ridiculous. |
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Post by T R W on Jun 10, 2009 20:30:11 GMT -5
Hard to say. Though I do support a rookie salary cap. However, Matt Ryan got money like that, and at the time I thought it was ridiculous.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jun 10, 2009 23:35:48 GMT -5
Hard to say. Though I do support a rookie salary cap. However, Matt Ryan got money like that, and at the time I thought it was ridiculous. Rookie salary cap is a MUST. |
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 11, 2009 1:45:58 GMT -5
Hard to say. Though I do support a rookie salary cap. However, Matt Ryan got money like that, and at the time I thought it was ridiculous. Rookie salary cap is a MUST. any charger fan will agree with a rookie cap |
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Post by captain master talbot on Jun 11, 2009 6:09:18 GMT -5
For the Giants' receiver arguments, I just want to throw in my 2 cents. Sure, they may not have a true #1 like Burress, hopefully whoever it was they drafted can develop, but if not I don't think its a huge problem. (Sorry I couldn't remember the receiver they drafted) And here is my reasoning (I hate to also relate to the Dolphins but oh well lol) We had Pennington last year, accurate and a great game manager. Which I can see Eli doing that aswell. We had no #1 receiver, the closest was Ginn and he isn't spectacular, but he's solid. Much like all of the Giants' receivers. Ginn stretched the field and had defenses focus on him which allowed other 'slot' type of receivers like Bess and Camarillo and the tight ends to get open. Steve Smith is a good slot type of receiver I believe, as are the others. And I assume if (drafted player) gets a lot of attention from the defense, everyone else will get open. Which should work pretty well if Eli can spread the ball around, not create turnovers, and of course the run game is going to help alot. The difference between your reasoning and what actually happened is that without a deep go to guy that offense sputtered and stalled at the end of the season...whereas the Dolphins, god love them, relied on a gimmick offense to get the job done. I'm not knocking it and if I had to pick a second favorite team it would be them, but most of their successes came from running an offensive scheme that nobody in the NFL was ready to defend. You also have to attribute their offense sputtering to ineffective and irrelevant play calling. Seriously, Jacobs was rushing for 5 YPC and like 90+ yards against the Eagles on like 14 carries. When Brandon Jacobs has shown that he can run well against the Eagles, and he can, you don't give him 14 carries. If things worked out like that with 10 more carries, I expect Jacobs would have been around 130 yards. You need to give your backs the ball when they are making plays. Also, Eli needs to work on his arm strength. When you know the Meadowlands gets very windy in the last quarter of the season, you need a strong arm to hit your receivers. I remember one play, it was like this PA rollout, he had Steve Smith WIDE OPEN on like the 20 yard line, and Eli tossed this little dinker that hit Smith's far hand and bounced off. If they complete that pass, it's either a touchdown or first and goal from like the 2-3 yard line. That's where you use Jacobs to bullrush it in. When you have a running team, like the Giants do, you need to run the ball. And don't be predictable about your play calling. Mix in the Play Action pass, but don't consistently have your drives look like this: 1st and 10: Jacobs up the middle for 4 yards 2nd and 6: Jacobs behind the left tackle for 3 yards 3rd and 3: PA rollout It just doesn't work. We had the same exact game plan each time against the Eagles. Don't get me started on the defense. We had no sacks on McNabb last year. Hopefully with this new line, we can be fresh at the end of the season, and knock the holy  out of him. I think Hixon has the capability to be a deep threat, we just need to use the right playcalling, and have Eli make the deep throws. |
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Post by katphishjake on Jun 11, 2009 11:12:20 GMT -5
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