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Post by JCF on May 5, 2009 23:56:41 GMT -5
That was a good read. I wish they'd of asked him about the week heel run he had in 2007 though.
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Post by sxexhxc on May 6, 2009 1:08:22 GMT -5
He's "pissed off" he's not working with Undertaker or Triple H, and he's been in WWE for a little over two years. He's the drug free guy in "post-Benoit," PG era WWE, ie right place right time. He had to have Paul Heyman pull for him to come to ECW to get the exposure he's had. He's got some skill but he should quit acting like he's the best on the planet. Others have had to work for way more years than Punk to get where he's at so it's not that great to see "all his years of hard work" pay off. He would probably be where Scotty Goldman is if it hadn't been for some luck, though he apparently doesn't believe in luck. I like him alright but people complain that Lashley was pushed too fast, even though he never even won a world title in his two years. Punk won one in less than that. And even if you count the ECW title for Lashley, Punk won that faster than him too. Actually, it's almost three - and Lashley didn't deserve  all, IMO.. He didn't spend years working to get to the WWE - he just came in and had everything handed to him, because Vince had a hard-on for him.. Lashley didn't even have any real passion for the business.. It took Punk over a year to get his first title - which is more than long enough in the current climate... if you want an example of overpushed, look no further than Swagger.. As for "him acting like he is the best on the planet" - he never said that.. If you actually bothered to read the interview, he said he tries to be the best - not that he IS the best.. I don't care how much passion Bobby Lashley has for the business, if Vince has a hard on for him like you say, then it obviously wasn't as big as the hard-on, he had for Punk. Punk still got the title before him. The only reason Punk is getting pushed is because wrestling's black cloud is still above the WWE after Benoit went nut-so and they want to show the media that you can be successful in WWE without doing drugs. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 6, 2009 1:16:27 GMT -5
Actually, it's almost three - and Lashley didn't deserve all, IMO.. He didn't spend years working to get to the WWE - he just came in and had everything handed to him, because Vince had a hard-on for him.. Lashley didn't even have any real passion for the business.. It took Punk over a year to get his first title - which is more than long enough in the current climate... if you want an example of overpushed, look no further than Swagger.. As for "him acting like he is the best on the planet" - he never said that.. If you actually bothered to read the interview, he said he tries to be the best - not that he IS the best.. I don't care how much passion Bobby Lashley has for the business, if Vince has a hard on for him like you say, then it obviously wasn't as big as the hard-on, he had for Punk. Punk still got the title before him. The only reason Punk is getting pushed is because wrestling's black cloud is still above the WWE after Benoit went nut-so and they want to show the media that you can be successful in WWE without doing drugs.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on May 6, 2009 16:08:28 GMT -5
He said he's pissed to not be working the top of the card in the top wrestling company. If that doesn't imply that he thinks he at the top level in the world, I don't know what he's trying to say. Sorry Punk but you are not on the level of Triple H and Undertaker. I don't care what he's done in the indys, you start at square one in WWE. Punk can not work the big matches and you can say, watch his work before WWE but until you prove yourself in WWE, you shouldn't be their champion. Plus, he's really ugly.
What's Swagger gotten? The ECW title means nothing anymore. WWE just has a hard on for amateur wrestlers, hence Swagger, Lashley, Lesnar, and Angle. If history repeats itself, he'll just leave on his own anyway.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on May 6, 2009 18:38:32 GMT -5
Yes but he is not the only one who busted his ass... I hate how people ride him just because he completed his indy run without drinking, doing drugs or smoking. So what? He doesn't have enough talent to get all he has, in 2 years. I don't care what anybody says. He's accomplished everything RVD did in TWO YEARS!!! RVD also always had a bit of an attitude about himself, Punk's confident in what he can do. Also title's are used to make a guy more over, RVD NEVER needed that. RVD can just walk into Raw with no build up and the crowd will still go nuts. Punk is also amazingly marketable toward parents and young kids for being straight edge. RVD basically promoted pot, not something parents really like. There's a lot more than just busting their ass to lead why guys get certain things. I think one of the problems with marketing Punk's straight-edge ideals is that he looks like one of the least straight-edge guys on the roster. I've always found it funny how he talked about being straight edge yet he's always looked like a crackhead... or at least the sort of red-eyed drunk you see slumped in the corner of a rock club at 5am. |
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Post by sxexhxc on May 6, 2009 18:56:47 GMT -5
RVD also always had a bit of an attitude about himself, Punk's confident in what he can do. Also title's are used to make a guy more over, RVD NEVER needed that. RVD can just walk into Raw with no build up and the crowd will still go nuts. Punk is also amazingly marketable toward parents and young kids for being straight edge. RVD basically promoted pot, not something parents really like. There's a lot more than just busting their ass to lead why guys get certain things. I think one of the problems with marketing Punk's straight-edge ideals is that he looks like one of the least straight-edge guys on the roster. I've always found it funny how he talked about being straight edge yet he's always looked like a crackhead... or at least the sort of red-eyed drunk you see slumped in the corner of a rock club at 5am. LOL, agreed. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 6, 2009 20:51:14 GMT -5
He said he's pissed to not be working the top of the card in the top wrestling company. If that doesn't imply that he thinks he at the top level in the world, I don't know what he's trying to say. Sorry Punk but you are not on the level of Triple H and Undertaker. I don't care what he's done in the indys, you start at square one in WWE. Punk can not work the big matches and you can say, watch his work before WWE but until you prove yourself in WWE, you shouldn't be their champion. Plus, he's really ugly. What's Swagger gotten? The ECW title means nothing anymore. WWE just has a hard on for amateur wrestlers, hence Swagger, Lashley, Lesnar, and Angle. If history repeats itself, he'll just leave on his own anyway. Morrison and Miz have worked with and wrestled HHH and HBK.. Are they at the top level?.. No, they're not - they've just been able to wrestle HHH and HBK, because they were heels.. MVP and Kennedy have wrestled and worked with Undertaker, too.. Does that mean they are on the same level?.. |
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Post by TeamExtreme718x on May 6, 2009 20:55:24 GMT -5
He sounds really cocky; I can see why some people think he's an bunghole. Thats coming from a kid who hates punk..Your an a$$hole for thinking you know someone when you dont. |
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Post by sxexhxc on May 6, 2009 21:20:22 GMT -5
He said he's pissed to not be working the top of the card in the top wrestling company. If that doesn't imply that he thinks he at the top level in the world, I don't know what he's trying to say. Sorry Punk but you are not on the level of Triple H and Undertaker. I don't care what he's done in the indys, you start at square one in WWE. Punk can not work the big matches and you can say, watch his work before WWE but until you prove yourself in WWE, you shouldn't be their champion. Plus, he's really ugly. What's Swagger gotten? The ECW title means nothing anymore. WWE just has a hard on for amateur wrestlers, hence Swagger, Lashley, Lesnar, and Angle. If history repeats itself, he'll just leave on his own anyway. Morrison and Miz have worked with and wrestled HHH and HBK.. Are they at the top level?.. No, they're not - they've just been able to wrestle HHH and HBK, because they were heels.. MVP and Kennedy have wrestled and worked with Undertaker, too.. Does that mean they are on the same level?.. Miz and Morrison were the top tag team, so yes, they WERE on the same level. Kennedy was the top heel around that time, so again, yes. MVP was feuding with Kane... i'd say that he is above the level of Kane... Theres a difference - CM Punk isn't a top face at the moment, so there is no chance of him being the top heel when Edge and Jericho are around either. |
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 6, 2009 21:31:21 GMT -5
I would never want to wrestle HHH. Every oppoent he has not named Ric Flair or Shawn Michaels, he buries. No thanks.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 6, 2009 22:13:39 GMT -5
Morrison and Miz have worked with and wrestled HHH and HBK.. Are they at the top level?.. No, they're not - they've just been able to wrestle HHH and HBK, because they were heels.. MVP and Kennedy have wrestled and worked with Undertaker, too.. Does that mean they are on the same level?.. MVP was feuding with Kane... i'd say that he is above the level of Kane... Theres a difference - CM Punk isn't a top face at the moment, so there is no chance of him being the top heel when Edge and Jericho are around either. "Top" team or not - the bottom line, is that Miz and Morrison really had no business being in the same ring as HHH and HBK - and at that stage of his WWE career, Kennedy definitely had no business being in the same ring as the Undertaker.. |
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Post by sxexhxc on May 6, 2009 22:32:00 GMT -5
Miz and Morrison were the top tag team, so yes, they WERE on the same level. Kennedy was the top heel around that time, so again, yes. MVP was feuding with Kane... i'd say that he is above the level of Kane... Theres a difference - CM Punk isn't a top face at the moment, so there is no chance of him being the top heel when Edge and Jericho are around either. "Top" team or not - the bottom line, is that Miz and Morrison really had no business being in the same ring as HHH and HBK - and at that stage of his WWE career, Kennedy definitely had no business being in the same ring as the Undertaker.. What do you mean, had no business? they were all top heels, CM Punk wasn't - end of story. |
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Post by Mark on May 7, 2009 7:47:29 GMT -5
When Punk wrestles, its not smooth and flowing. His kicks, aren't as crisp and smooth and his overall wrestling just doesnt look like a guy who has been wrestling since the early 2000;s
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Post by Mark on May 7, 2009 7:48:32 GMT -5
I would never want to wrestle HHH. Every oppoent he has not named Ric Flair or Shawn Michaels, he buries. No thanks. You'd never be able to make it as a wrestler anyways. Besides, what you said is not true. He didn't bury Jeff Hardy |
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Post by Chip on May 7, 2009 12:26:44 GMT -5
Morrison and Miz have worked with and wrestled HHH and HBK.. Are they at the top level?.. No, they're not - they've just been able to wrestle HHH and HBK, because they were heels.. MVP and Kennedy have wrestled and worked with Undertaker, too.. Does that mean they are on the same level?.. Miz and Morrison were the top tag team, so yes, they WERE on the same level. Kennedy was the top heel around that time, so again, yes. MVP was feuding with Kane... i'd say that he is above the level of Kane... Theres a difference - CM Punk isn't a top face at the moment, so there is no chance of him being the top heel when Edge and Jericho are around either. Right now on Smackdown your top babyface characters are as follows: Undertaker (injured) Jeff Hardy Rey Mysterio CM Punk Thats really clear as day...how can you argue otherwise? Do you watch the WWE? Or are you just basing your opinion on your personal feelings towards the guy CM Punk won Money in the Bank...which means he has a shot at the Championship...which means he is a main event character...which means he is a "top" babyface. Its really simple to understand. In comparison...on RAW, your top babyfaces are Shawn Michaels Triple H John Cena Batista MVP |
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Post by heartbreakkid2k3 on May 7, 2009 12:31:53 GMT -5
I finally agree with CM Punk!
"Stale and boring." He admits it!
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Post by sxexhxc on May 7, 2009 16:11:09 GMT -5
Miz and Morrison were the top tag team, so yes, they WERE on the same level. Kennedy was the top heel around that time, so again, yes. MVP was feuding with Kane... i'd say that he is above the level of Kane... Theres a difference - CM Punk isn't a top face at the moment, so there is no chance of him being the top heel when Edge and Jericho are around either. Right now on Smackdown your top babyface characters are as follows: Undertaker (injured) Jeff Hardy Rey Mysterio CM Punk Thats really clear as day...how can you argue otherwise? Do you watch the WWE? Or are you just basing your opinion on your personal feelings towards the guy CM Punk won Money in the Bank...which means he has a shot at the Championship...which means he is a main event character...which means he is a "top" babyface. Its really simple to understand. In comparison...on RAW, your top babyfaces are Shawn Michaels Triple H John Cena Batista MVP No... CM Punk winning MITB does not mean, he is a main event character at all. He is an upper midcarder, and that is why he was fighting over the Intercontinental title a month ago. He is, on the same boat as Rey Mysterio, MVP, Mr. Kennedy and Matt Hardy. Was RVD a main event character then? No. He wasn't, he only had the WWE title for a cup of coffee and it was what seemed to be - a test run with it. Much like Punk's first run... which failed tragically. How is The Undertaker, Jeff Hardy, Edge and Chris Jericho, compariable to Batista, John Cena, Triple H and Randy Orton? I'm not getting the "Smackdown is the A show" schtick on here. A Show = Bigger Wrestlers and at this point, Raw has bigger midcarders aswell. |
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Post by Mizz Lola on May 7, 2009 16:59:35 GMT -5
I like his attitude. Legit...I don't care who thinks he's an bunghole...he's honest. Plus what's with all the damn haters? I am sure there's tons of men who'd give their left nut to be where he is right now. He might not be the greatest of life or the most over guy but the man works his ass off.
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Post by Mizz Lola on May 7, 2009 17:01:38 GMT -5
I think one of the problems with marketing Punk's straight-edge ideals is that he looks like one of the least straight-edge guys on the roster. I've always found it funny how he talked about being straight edge yet he's always looked like a crackhead... or at least the sort of red-eyed drunk you see slumped in the corner of a rock club at 5am. LOL, agreed. You know...wow...if that is really all you can say bad about him...that's sad. I know myself and some other people in college surely look like that. Alas, you don't get A's without sacrifice. |
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Post by sxexhxc on May 7, 2009 18:43:29 GMT -5
You know...wow...if that is really all you can say bad about him...that's sad. I know myself and some other people in college surely look like that. Alas, you don't get A's without sacrifice. If you read the rest of my posts, in this thread, you'd know that, that isn't all that i can say bad about him. I don't care, if he works his ass off or not, he's not the only one who does. If CM Punk, was a pot smoker, I'm sure he wouldn't get all he does. What I'm trying to say is, he's only getting what he gets because he is drug/drink free. Do you seeThe Brian Kendrick where he is now? Of course you don't. Because WWE don't want to promote that sort of stuff after Crispenwah murdered himself and his family. Punk hasn't got crap before he did it, yet he started winning everything after it, just so WWE can say "Yeah? Well, our current world champion doesn't do any of that stuff and hes successful...". Simple, if WWE saw the talent in Punk, then why don't they see the talent in everybody else? I mean... WWE is all about talent right? Cause the only thing, I see in Punk, is the ring talent because he sure as hell doesn't have any other talent. Give me a good reason, that he can call himself a former ECW, World, Intercontinental, Tag Team and 2x Money in the Bank winner in a matter of two years? |
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