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Post by Johnny Wrestling on May 7, 2009 23:04:43 GMT -5
I was thinking about this and I came to the conclusion that maybe without DX, Triple H wouldn't have made it big, or at least it could have took him more time.
He came from this:
To this:
Triple H has always been a good wrestler for me, but seriously, do you think the gimmick of Hunter Hearst Helmsley could have made him a top guy and eventually be as successful as he is right now?
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Post by Jimmy on May 7, 2009 23:09:33 GMT -5
Even with DX, Triple H was a tough sell as a legimate main eventer because he was just..."there". He really didn't step up his game until 2000. But the higher ups determined he needed to be the next franchise guy so they pushed him hard in 1999 even though he wasn't that over. It was basically through sheer willpower that they got him over.
As for your question, no. The Hunter Hearst Helmsley character was to forever be a midcarder/upper midcarder. He needed the change to make him legitimate.
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Post by ilol on May 7, 2009 23:12:10 GMT -5
If he was Hunter Hearse Helmsley he would of just been a Upper Mid-Carder Mid-Carder. And I'm not a fan of DX, but that is what kind of elevated him to the big leagues. Then in 2000, he stepped his game up sonny bro.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2009 6:03:52 GMT -5
no way would the snob gimmick have got him over.EVER.
he was getting over like rover until they turned him heel in 99 at WM15.......even with his heel main event push he still wasnt that over until his feud with Cactus Jack.that made him.
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Post by nibs92 on May 8, 2009 9:13:15 GMT -5
his back stage connections with the cliq are probably the reason he got the opportunity to reach the main event IMO.
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Post by carly1988 on May 8, 2009 9:39:52 GMT -5
Ive always prefered heel snobbish blue blood Triple H over "the game Im going to bury your career" triple H
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Post by Patrick Bateman on May 8, 2009 11:00:35 GMT -5
Yeah, that's a fair statement.
Then again, no Foley, no Triple H. He helped make Triple H a star at multiple points throughout his rising career.
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Post by carly1988 on May 8, 2009 11:35:48 GMT -5
I like Foley, especially as Cactus Jack but Im willing to bet Triple H could become a star without Foley. I think the only person Foley really "made" was the outlaws in his feud along side Funk
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Post by jfinnomore on May 8, 2009 12:42:32 GMT -5
i totally agree. i remember even during the original DX run i still wasn't sure about him. he sorta was just Shawns bitch. the 2nd DX run was great and totally catapulted him into main event status.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 9, 2009 14:29:34 GMT -5
The thing is, it's difficult to just take away DX because of what that group did and how it affected the entire WWF. Without DX, would The Rock (who really stepped up his game feuding with DX in summer 98) have made it big? Would Stone Cold (who feuded with DX and Tyson in the run up to WM14)? Would there even be a Mr McMahon (who came about because of the DX/Hart Foundation feud) character?
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Post by Brock F'n Lesnar on May 9, 2009 16:16:49 GMT -5
In 2000, i feel it was a new era for HHH an era of Woop Ass, an era of the SLEDGEHAMMER! And even an Era of championships, i feel when he returned he stepped up his game. (No Pun)
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Post by mattclassic on May 9, 2009 22:34:46 GMT -5
Triple H wouldn't of been able to showcase his all round ability without DX , but without the match at madison square garden with Mick Foley at the rumble i don't think Triple H would of been seen as a true superstar worthy of carrying the WWF on his own.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on May 10, 2009 13:26:48 GMT -5
I like Foley, especially as Cactus Jack but Im willing to bet Triple H could become a star without Foley. I think the only person Foley really "made" was the outlaws in his feud along side Funk I don't think so. Look at how Foley helped elevate him. -- Jobbed at the King of the Ring 1997 -- Jobbed at the 2000 Rumble. -- Jobbed at No Way Out 2000. -- Jobbed again to Triple H at WrestleMania 2000. I'd say Foley did the most favors for Triple H out of anyone. From 1997 to 2000, Foley was there to help put him over. I think he got two wins over him in 1997: the Summerslam cage match and the Falls Count Anywhere match as Cactus Jack. After that, Foley was literally trampled by Triple H during their '00 feud. Surely three straight convincing wins in 2000, over Mick Foley in his unstoppable Cactus Jack gimmick, helped elevate Hunter from funny upper-midcarder degenerate to the Game. |
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Post by raz2005uk on May 10, 2009 18:31:07 GMT -5
yup id thank DX for the change from snob to main eventer - there is no way in hell he could have gone from posh snob straight into his "game" persona! simple logic guys  |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2009 20:08:53 GMT -5
I like Foley, especially as Cactus Jack but Im willing to bet Triple H could become a star without Foley. I think the only person Foley really "made" was the outlaws in his feud along side Funk I don't think so. Look at how Foley helped elevate him. -- Jobbed at the King of the Ring 1997 -- Jobbed at the 2000 Rumble. -- Jobbed at No Way Out 2000. -- Jobbed again to Triple H at WrestleMania 2000. I'd say Foley did the most favors for Triple H out of anyone. From 1997 to 2000, Foley was there to help put him over. I think he got two wins over him in 1997: the Summerslam cage match and the Falls Count Anywhere match as Cactus Jack. After that, Foley was literally trampled by Triple H during their '00 feud. Surely three straight convincing wins in 2000, over Mick Foley in his unstoppable Cactus Jack gimmick, helped elevate Hunter from funny upper-midcarder degenerate to the Game. Absolutely, and also the RAW and Smackdown matches prior to the 2000 Rumble which brought out Cactus Jack from Mankind were awesome and added to Foley putting over Helmsley. |
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on May 11, 2009 1:17:38 GMT -5
Even with DX, Triple H was a tough sell as a legimate main eventer because he was just..."there". He really didn't step up his game until 2000. But the higher ups determined he needed to be the next franchise guy so they pushed him hard in 1999 even though he wasn't that over. It was basically through sheer willpower that they got him over. As for your question, no. The Hunter Hearst Helmsley character was to forever be a midcarder/upper midcarder. He needed the change to make him legitimate. This is true. Triple H had to be put over Stone Cold, The Rock, Vince Mcmahon, marry Stephanie & retire Cactus Jack in order to get over and be looked at as a legit main eventer. WWE did whatever they had to do to get him over and while I don't disagree with because let's face it WWE needed a great heel like that at the time, Triple H would of never ever been looked at as a legit main eventer without doing all that. |
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Post by smackdown4life™ on May 11, 2009 21:23:50 GMT -5
Yeah defo DX and Foley have helped him, but honestly he would have made it eventually without them I think.
Damn "My Time" was so awesome..
Does anyone else wish he was sometimes refered to as Hunter Hearst Helmsley now days?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on May 11, 2009 23:01:30 GMT -5
Had HHH not rode the coat tails of HBK and then married Steph.....he would have been a nobody/never was. Dont get me wrong, the guy could work and had a great mind for the business. But all that has been warped by his incestous nature of his ego. Business always takes a backseat to his ego.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on May 11, 2009 23:21:38 GMT -5
Had HHH not rode the coat tails of HBK and then married Steph.....he would have been a nobody/never was. Dont get me wrong, the guy could work and had a great mind for the business. But all that has been warped by his incestous nature of his ego. Business always takes a backseat to his ego. Triple H already had a successful career before getting married with Stephanie McMahon. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 11:56:26 GMT -5
Had HHH not rode the coat tails of HBK and then married Steph.....he would have been a nobody/never was. Dont get me wrong, the guy could work and had a great mind for the business. But all that has been warped by his incestous nature of his ego. Business always takes a backseat to his ego. Triple H already had a successful career before getting married with Stephanie McMahon. very true. his rise to the top came even before he was dating her.they did not start dating until the summer/fall of 2000......so we cant really pin his success at first on him "pinning"her. |
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