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Post by johnnymalloy on May 14, 2009 0:08:05 GMT -5
It's weird man, before Juliet set off the nuke...it was odd to think Faraday, Juliet, Locke, Sayid and Jacob all died in a 3 episode span...now its like well is it a reset? Whose alive, whose not?
Dead is dead...oh wait, maybe not if you have a nuke?...idk. I enjoyed it, but idk about the ending.
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Post by merobb on May 14, 2009 0:13:37 GMT -5
I been reading people on other forums opinions, and there's one theory that's really making sense to me. That the guy at the beginning, with Jacob, is actually the smoke monster. We all know that the monster is capable of turning into those that are dead on the island, which is why Locke's body had to be brought back to the island. Then at the beginning we saw the guy say to Jacob "you know how much I want to kill you" which shows that he's probably unable to kill him himself or else he would have just done so. So he took form of Locke and manipulated Ben into doing it... HOLY MIND  ! |
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Post by *Ricky Spanish* on May 14, 2009 1:19:10 GMT -5
I been reading people on other forums opinions, and there's one theory that's really making sense to me. That the guy at the beginning, with Jacob, is actually the smoke monster. We all know that the monster is capable of turning into those that are dead on the island, which is why Locke's body had to be brought back to the island. Then at the beginning we saw the guy say to Jacob "you know how much I want to kill you" which shows that he's probably unable to kill him himself or else he would have just done so. So he took form of Locke and manipulated Ben into doing it... HOLY MIND ! I agree100% |
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Post by *Ricky Spanish* on May 14, 2009 1:24:46 GMT -5
just saw this some where
So, when Claire dreams about Locke with one black eye and one white eye in Season 1..was this foreshadowing? Now that Jacob has been killed and no longer in his own bodily form, will he also be able to take over Locke's form like man #2 did? If so, that's some crazy planning by the writers.
so maybe we will see a Locke vs Locke battle?
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Post by Barrett on May 14, 2009 2:19:42 GMT -5
Just a couple of things I saw on other boards that I thought I'd bring up here:
-I didn't pay too much attention when they showed Rose/Bernard's cabin, but someone mentioned that it was the same cabin that would later be the one Ben took Locke to where we briefly got a glimpse of Jacob a couple seasons ago, and the one Ilana (I think that's her name) had burned down during this season finale. Can anyone confirm if it was or was not the same cabin?
-A lot of people seem to believe and are in agreement that the "Adam and Eve" skeletons found in the caves during season one were actually Rose and Bernard's skeletons.
-I assumed that the flash at the end of the episode was the bomb exploding. Others believe that it was another time jump. Similarly, people are debating the fates of Juliet/Sayid. If it was an explosion, then they would presumably be fine and dandy just as they were the day of the plane crash. If it was a time jump, they'll still be quite injured but no longer in '77. Most who subscribe to the latter theory seem to agree that the jump will take them back to '07 so that they can all be on the island with Sun/Lapidus/Ben/Fake Locke. Anyone have any opinions on this?
-If Fake Locke is really the smoke monster (which seems to be the general consensus), then that really puts a new perspective on the scene from a few episodes back when Ben summoned the smoke monster, told Sun something to the effect of "I can't control what's about to come out of that jungle," and Locke comes strolling out. What I originally thought was just a great use of comedic timing on the writer's part, could've just been a huge example of foreshadowing.
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Post by Link on May 14, 2009 3:13:18 GMT -5
Really? This season has been spectacular in my humble and correct opinion. You've been all kinds of awesome in this thread..... Thank you sir. Yes this finale overall was freaking awesome. Loved seeing the black rock, finding out Locke was the dude from the beginning was the "cliffhanger" for me. I think Juliet setting off the nuke was "necessary" but to me it killed the very powerful and dramatic scene before that showed her falling to her "death." Anyway, love the hell out of this show, and I don't know what I'm going to do for 6 months. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 14, 2009 9:18:37 GMT -5
Hmmmm.. Jacob & .....Esau?
If this whole thing ends up being bible & church related, I am going to be sooo pissed!
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Post by J12 on May 14, 2009 11:16:15 GMT -5
Also, if black shirt/Samuel/Esau can take on the body forms of others, like Locke (presumably only deceased individuals) - does that explain Hurley's hallucinations? Jacob told Hurley he wasn't crazy. If Jacob can travel to the States freely, than one would assume black shirt could as well.
We know Jacob was trying to persuade the Oceanic 6 and others to come to the island by altering specific portions of their lives, could black shirt/Samuel/Esau be trying to counteract that plan and keep them away?
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Post by v/\v on May 14, 2009 11:49:37 GMT -5
Amazing, totally blown away. Absolutely gutted to see Juliet drop. Damn it's gonna be a long wait to see the fallout.
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Post by y2jsucks on May 14, 2009 11:55:51 GMT -5
Possibly the best episode(s) of all time imo. Ending was very poor though. When Jacob and the other man were on the beach at the begining, I assumed Jacob was the bad guy because he bought the black rock to the island, and they will kill and destroy "like they always do". Great use of the black and white shirt, which also made me belive that the one wearing white would be the bad guy. The one thing that struck me most in this episode was Richards comment about "protecting our leader", was he refering to Eloise's unborn child? Was Daniel ment to be the real leader of the others? LOVED the flashbacks. Really amazing, only question is how was Jacob able to leave the island. I am really confused about Jacob/Christian/cabin. If the other ancient man set up the whole thing just so he can take over a dead Locke why didn't take over Christians body? My guess is because Locke is genuinly special. What I don't understand is why would Jacob set everyone on the right path if it was all playing against him, and it was destiny for him to get killed? I marked out for Vincent  Crazy theory time: When Jacob said "they're coming" I think he's refering to the carpet thing he made. It looked like aliens descending and attacking or a higher being looking down on their people.  The LOST with the white background was PHAT! |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 14, 2009 14:29:21 GMT -5
2 Lockes, but no key.
Ugh. That joke was so bad, I'd smite myself.
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Post by Ricky Nitro on May 14, 2009 16:59:46 GMT -5
-If Fake Locke is really the smoke monster (which seems to be the general consensus), then that really puts a new perspective on the scene from a few episodes back when Ben summoned the smoke monster, told Sun something to the effect of "I can't control what's about to come out of that jungle," and Locke comes strolling out. What I originally thought was just a great use of comedic timing on the writer's part, could've just been a huge example of foreshadowing. I like to think I understand, and notice a lot of the things in Lost, but no way would I have ever picked up on that. It sounds so right, and that just makes the whole show seem even more amazing, that little subtle things you overlook are actually quite important. I'm still waiting to find out what's going on with Christian and Claire. Claire has got to be some big part in it all I think. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on May 14, 2009 17:29:32 GMT -5
I don't know if it's a coincidence or if it's part of the story, but does anyone else notice how badly Miles is aging? The sides of his hair are getting very grey.
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Post by johnnymalloy on May 14, 2009 18:13:05 GMT -5
The Island = The Garden Of Eden = The Lost City Of Atlantas = Mount Olympus = etc etc etc
My theory is the island has been around forever, and over time people have heard stories, and it's been twisted telephone game style. So there's so many names and times when the island is in history named as something else.
Jacob and *insert other guy on beaches name I didn't catch*, are infact some form of gods. Jacob likes to lure/bring people to this island and watch what happens. Like a human theater for the gods. So at the beginning we see him luring the sailors from the blackrock to the island. The other guy mentions wanting to kill him but he can't, but then there's gotta be a loophole. Insert Ben, Jacob's most devoted follower. Maybe Jacob could only be killed by one of his own so to speak. So the other guy (I have to scroll up and find his name in this topic) impersonates/shows up as Ben's daughter to help push him in that direction, then continues his filling in as Locke to continually push Ben along the way. It seemed very important that it was Ben who killed Jacob, that it needed to be. Maybe that could have something to do with when Richard took young ben to Jacob when he was shot?
Of course this would leave it open for their to be other gods to appear in this next season. Granted, that would have to mean that the bomb and the whole reset theory doesn't affect Jacob's death.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 14, 2009 18:25:04 GMT -5
Kinda wish Jacob wasnt the abusive ex husband from Dexter
Nice Sopranos ending
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Post by Gore on May 14, 2009 21:13:48 GMT -5
My first thought when "Fake" Locke said he had gone through great lengths to get back to the island, was that it was Widmore somehow.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 14, 2009 22:09:12 GMT -5
My first thought when "Fake" Locke said he had gone through great lengths to get back to the island, was that it was Widmore somehow. Fake Locke was the guy in the beginning scene, Silas from Deadwood I bet. |
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Post by Gore on May 15, 2009 17:39:45 GMT -5
My first thought when "Fake" Locke said he had gone through great lengths to get back to the island, was that it was Widmore somehow. Fake Locke was the guy in the beginning scene, Silas from Deadwood I bet. Yea, I can see that now. It was just a random thought I had in the moment. |
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Post by thematthardyjr on May 15, 2009 20:50:44 GMT -5
I didn't care for the ending. The episode was great leading up to the climax. But the last thing I see on Lost for a year should not be Juliet. I can't stand her and was happy when she feel down the shaft.  Juliet>You I love Juliet. |
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on May 16, 2009 9:59:52 GMT -5
Yeah Juliet is a goner, mainly because shes in another show in the fall.
The Adam and Eve skeletons cant be Rose and Bernard, because when Jack saw them he said they are '40-50' years old
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