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Post by Jimmy on May 30, 2009 0:58:48 GMT -5
The Orton vs. Kennedy debate is pretty futile. At the end of the day Orton is WWE Champion and Kennedy is unemployed.
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Post by HugoOne on May 30, 2009 0:59:29 GMT -5
There's no difference between major and minor injuries when you're injury prone. He had two major injuries in December 2005, and a major one in August 2008. He also said that he may never have full use of his shoulder again, either, at Axxess this year. He's had two minor ones as well in April 2007 and this past Monday at Raw. Either way you cut it, he's injury prone. He is prone to being injured. He wasn't doing crazy stunts when he hurt himself, he was wrestling a basic match. Which means he was injured easily, which means he's injury prone. Exactly. It makes me laugh when people say he's good in the ring, seeing as he can't take basic moves properly. All that being said, I liked Kennedy. I still do. He's got a lot of charisma on the mic. Even if it's largely saying his name twice that got him over, you'll notice it's the simplest things in wrestling that get over (i.e. the People's Elbow). I think he had potential to be good in the ring but his WWE career kept stalling and so would his progress in the ring. He just never had that break-through match that could prove he was a good wrestler.
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Post by AdamBomb on May 30, 2009 0:59:41 GMT -5
At least Orton developed a character, and has some in' depth. Kennedy just developed multiple injuries. So I guess Kennedy had no character, whatsoever in WWE, then? He was over for no reason, AT ALL? You're an idiot and are obviously completely biased... Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. And for a Randy Orton fan to call Kennedy bland, is like pot.kettle.black. What a ridiculous thing to say... What was his ing character then? A guy who sounds like has a permanent post nasal drip and says his name twice, WHILE CHEWING GUM?!?!?! Holy crap! What a character!
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Post by pineappleexpress on May 30, 2009 0:59:49 GMT -5
At least Orton developed a character, and has some in' depth. Kennedy just developed multiple injuries. Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. Good call. It'd be a great idea having Orton, whose character is cold, calculated and manipulating to be yelling and carrying on. Try again.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 30, 2009 0:59:57 GMT -5
At least Orton developed a character, and has some in' depth. Kennedy just developed multiple injuries. So I guess Kennedy had no character, whatsoever in WWE, then? He was over for no reason, AT ALL? You're an idiot and are obviously completely biased... Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. And for a Randy Orton fan to call Kennedy bland, is like pot.kettle.black. What a ridiculous thing to say... you still don't get it. Orton isn't bland, his style is just a lot slower and keeps the pace of the match slower. Those restholds and everything that people complain about it, he does it more and more because of that reason alone. He does it to piss you off, he does it to build the hatred for him, and it works like a charm. Btw, look up the definition of overrated, because you don't seem to get it. How can his mic skills be overrated, if people complain about them all the time? It's not possible
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 30, 2009 1:01:11 GMT -5
Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. Good call. It'd be a great idea having Orton, whose character is cold, calculated and manipulating to be yelling and carrying on. Try again. Yeah, didn't you know he's supposed to go around screaming ORTON all the time?
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Post by Jimmy on May 30, 2009 1:01:52 GMT -5
Exactly. It makes me laugh when people say he's good in the ring, seeing as he can't take basic moves properly. All that being said, I liked Kennedy. I still do. He's got a lot of charisma on the mic. Even if it's largely saying his name twice that got him over, you'll notice it's the simplest things in wrestling that get over (i.e. the People's Elbow). I think he had potential to be good in the ring but his WWE career kept stalling and so would his progress in the ring. He just never had that break-through match that could prove he was a good wrestler. Hugo nails my opinion too. I'd love to see Kennedy go to TNA, stay healthy, revive his career and hopefully draw some more attention to the promotion. I want two top promotions in North America, god damnit.
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Post by HugoOne on May 30, 2009 1:02:36 GMT -5
So I guess Kennedy had no character, whatsoever in WWE, then? He was over for no reason, AT ALL? You're an idiot and are obviously completely biased... Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. And for a Randy Orton fan to call Kennedy bland, is like pot.kettle.black. What a ridiculous thing to say... you still don't get it. Orton isn't bland, his style is just a lot slower and keeps the pace of the match slower. Those restholds and everything that people complain about it, he does it more and more because of that reason alone. He does it to piss you off, he does it to build the hatred for him, and it works like a charm. Btw, look up the definition of overrated, because you don't seem to get it. How can his mic skills be overrated, if people complain about them all the time? It's not possible I enjoy Orton as well (well, not recently, but I blame Batista) but I cannot STAND the restholds. I know he says, "if it pisses you off, I'm going to keep doing that." What STUPID logic is that? He's degrading the quality of the match. He's over enough as a heel and doesn't need any more heat on him during a match so that's a terrible excuse. He would seriously be THAT much better if he quit the Ortonlocks.
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Post by pineappleexpress on May 30, 2009 1:03:21 GMT -5
Good call. It'd be a great idea having Orton, whose character is cold, calculated and manipulating to be yelling and carrying on. Try again. Yeah, didn't you know he's supposed to go around screaming ORTON all the time? Oops. I forgot. The fact is, while Orton's promos are far from tearing the house down, he knows what to do and what he's trying to get at with the audience, which is the polar opposite of Kennedy. Kennedy will cut a promo that is delivered cliche, and then scream his name, hoping for some sort of reaction.
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Post by HugoOne on May 30, 2009 1:03:30 GMT -5
All that being said, I liked Kennedy. I still do. He's got a lot of charisma on the mic. Even if it's largely saying his name twice that got him over, you'll notice it's the simplest things in wrestling that get over (i.e. the People's Elbow). I think he had potential to be good in the ring but his WWE career kept stalling and so would his progress in the ring. He just never had that break-through match that could prove he was a good wrestler. Hugo nails my opinion too. I'd love to see Kennedy go to TNA, stay healthy, revive his career and hopefully draw some more attention to the promotion. I want two top promotions in North America, god damnit. Let's get three! Ring of Honor is slowly gaining steam.
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Post by sxexhxc on May 30, 2009 1:04:35 GMT -5
So I guess Kennedy had no character, whatsoever in WWE, then? He was over for no reason, AT ALL? You're an idiot and are obviously completely biased... Orton's mic skills are above overrated, he... talks... like... this... Atleast Kennedy showed some charisma and energy when he was cutting a promo. And for a Randy Orton fan to call Kennedy bland, is like pot.kettle.black. What a ridiculous thing to say... What was his ing character then? A guy who sounds like has a permanent post nasal drip and says his name twice, WHILE CHEWING GUM?!?!?! Holy crap! What a character! His character at first, was a guy who introduced himself via cutting off the ring announced, and it turned into a cocky future of sports entertainment guy, as he got more serious. HBK chews gum too... whats your point?
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 30, 2009 1:05:59 GMT -5
you still don't get it. Orton isn't bland, his style is just a lot slower and keeps the pace of the match slower. Those restholds and everything that people complain about it, he does it more and more because of that reason alone. He does it to piss you off, he does it to build the hatred for him, and it works like a charm. Btw, look up the definition of overrated, because you don't seem to get it. How can his mic skills be overrated, if people complain about them all the time? It's not possible I enjoy Orton as well (well, not recently, but I blame Batista) but I cannot STAND the restholds. I know he says, "if it pisses you off, I'm going to keep doing that." What STUPID logic is that? He's degrading the quality of the match. He's over enough as a heel and doesn't need any more heat on him during a match so that's a terrible excuse. He would seriously be THAT much better if he quit the Ortonlocks. I see what you mean, but it does a great job of building his character, and also shows how he can work with great ring psychology. He doesn't rely on the restholds AS MUCH anymore though, which I can admit is a good thing.
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Post by "Vintage" HBK Still Rules on May 30, 2009 1:06:03 GMT -5
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Post by pineappleexpress on May 30, 2009 1:06:35 GMT -5
What was his ing character then? A guy who sounds like has a permanent post nasal drip and says his name twice, WHILE CHEWING GUM?!?!?! Holy crap! What a character! His character at first, was a guy who introduced himself via cutting off the ring announced, and it turned into a cocky future of sports entertainment guy, as he got more serious. HBK chews gum too... whats your point? How many "future of sports entertainment" guys have we had? It's not enough to break out from the rest of the pack.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 30, 2009 1:06:43 GMT -5
What was his ing character then? A guy who sounds like has a permanent post nasal drip and says his name twice, WHILE CHEWING GUM?!?!?! Holy crap! What a character! His character at first, was a guy who introduced himself via cutting off the ring announced, and it turned into a cocky future of sports entertainment guy, as he got more serious. HBK chews gum too... whats your point? That was his gimmick...........in '05 Since then, he hasn't had shit.
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Post by Jimmy on May 30, 2009 1:08:13 GMT -5
Hugo nails my opinion too. I'd love to see Kennedy go to TNA, stay healthy, revive his career and hopefully draw some more attention to the promotion. I want two top promotions in North America, god damnit. Let's get three! Ring of Honor is slowly gaining steam. WWE = WWF TNA = WCW RoH = ECW
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Post by sxexhxc on May 30, 2009 1:08:36 GMT -5
I enjoy Orton as well (well, not recently, but I blame Batista) but I cannot STAND the restholds. I know he says, "if it pisses you off, I'm going to keep doing that." What STUPID logic is that? He's degrading the quality of the match. He's over enough as a heel and doesn't need any more heat on him during a match so that's a terrible excuse. He would seriously be THAT much better if he quit the Ortonlocks. I see what you mean, but it does a great job of building his character, and also shows how he can work with great ring psychology. He doesn't rely on the restholds AS MUCH anymore though, which I can admit is a good thing. The point is, Kennedy was considered one of the top microphone workers in the WWE at the time, his talking wasnt based around him...talking...like...this. And his matches weren't based around him grunting, thumping the canvas and doing 20 minute restholds, either. Whatever, I'm done with this debate. I'll be back in here, when further details come out.
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Post by pineappleexpress on May 30, 2009 1:08:59 GMT -5
Let's get three! Ring of Honor is slowly gaining steam. WWE = WWF TNA = WCW RoH = ECW In an ideal world, Jimmy. In an ideal world.
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Post by Flyrfn144 on May 30, 2009 1:09:55 GMT -5
I see what you mean, but it does a great job of building his character, and also shows how he can work with great ring psychology. He doesn't rely on the restholds AS MUCH anymore though, which I can admit is a good thing. The point is, Kennedy was considered one of the top microphone workers in the WWE at the time, his talking wasnt based around him...talking...like...this. And his matches weren't based around him grunting, thumping the canvas and doing 20 minute restholds, either. Whatever, I'm done with this debate. I'll be back in here, when further details come out. The only mic skills Kennedy had was yelling his name. Beyond that, they were absolute . HugoOne, I love the new sig
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Post by HugoOne on May 30, 2009 1:10:17 GMT -5
Let's get three! Ring of Honor is slowly gaining steam. WWE = WWF TNA = WCW RoH = ECW Yes! And then in five years, WWE buys out TNA and gets the Invasion angle RIGHT this time. Then sells it back to Dixie for the sake of competition.
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