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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jul 6, 2009 15:01:46 GMT -5
Well, obviously this has came from the other thread about Backlash01, but I was quite suprised to see people saying that they found that this period was 'weird', now back then I was just really finally in the real Wrestling fan way, but still young, about 10 I think, and I really can't remmebr this time that well, but I never saw it as being 'weird'.
So really wat I'm asking, is how and why was this period weird, I mean it gave alot of young guys a big push, Matt, Benoit, Jericho got another big push, hell Spike even had a push.
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Post by HugoOne on Jul 6, 2009 17:48:48 GMT -5
Well, obviously this has came from the other thread about Backlash01, but I was quite suprised to see people saying that they found that this period was 'weird', now back then I was just really finally in the real Wrestling fan way, but still young, about 10 I think, and I really can't remmebr this time that well, but I never saw it as being 'weird'. So really wat I'm asking, is how and why was this period weird, I mean it gave alot of young guys a big push, Matt, Benoit, Jericho got another big push, hell Spike even had a push. Here's the weird part. They had all these pushes on guys like Jericho and Benoit going, and yeah, guys like Matt Hardy and Spike Dudley too. Then the Invasion hit, and all of a sudden, they just dropped it all. It's like they erased everything that had happened. Austin was a major heel who was aligned with Vince and trading off hugs with Kurt Angle, and then it just stopped. That character was essentially erased. Not to mention they initially brought WCW in as a face company. Shane McMahon, a face, was leading it against Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania 17, a heel. Then, they just realized it would make more sense if WCW were the heels and WWF were the faces, and they just entirely switched them on the drop of a dime. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2009 18:44:54 GMT -5
Well, obviously this has came from the other thread about Backlash01, but I was quite suprised to see people saying that they found that this period was 'weird', now back then I was just really finally in the real Wrestling fan way, but still young, about 10 I think, and I really can't remmebr this time that well, but I never saw it as being 'weird'. So really wat I'm asking, is how and why was this period weird, I mean it gave alot of young guys a big push, Matt, Benoit, Jericho got another big push, hell Spike even had a push. Here's the weird part. They had all these pushes on guys like Jericho and Benoit going, and yeah, guys like Matt Hardy and Spike Dudley too. Then the Invasion hit, and all of a sudden, they just dropped it all. It's like they erased everything that had happened. Austin was a major heel who was aligned with Vince and trading off hugs with Kurt Angle, and then it just stopped. That character was essentially erased. Not to mention they initially brought WCW in as a face company. Shane McMahon, a face, was leading it against Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania 17, a heel. Then, they just realized it would make more sense if WCW were the heels and WWF were the faces, and they just entirely switched them on the drop of a dime. ...and they thought it would also make sense to merge ECW with WCW, with the figureheads of both respective promotions being the McMahon siblings... A subtle way for Vince to say 'even the combined presence of ECW and WCW is no match for the mighty WWF'... And the rest, they say, is history. Another 'great' idea from the man who has never heard of a dentist, Kevin Dunn. |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jul 6, 2009 18:52:47 GMT -5
I liked this period to be honest. I think it was more of a transitional period more than anything. Jericho and Benoit were starting to main event, The Rock left the night after X7, then Benoit got hurt, WCW and ECW were starting to form, The Two Man Power Trip was taking over then Triple H got hurt.
I think that's why this period was considered "weird". They were transitioning from the post WrestleMania storylines and were getting everything in order for the InVasion stuff to happen.
Side Note: I just picked up Backlash 2001 on DVD today!!!!
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 7, 2009 7:15:37 GMT -5
Well basically everything has been mentioned. Another weird thing about that period is when they had Austin turn to The Alliance because I thought he "hated" WCW (which I know he had a decent time in ECW) but in general it made no sense to me how he could just side with them. Also, as already mentioned the fact that WCW was the original face around Wrestlemania X-7 time but eventually turned out to be the bad guys? Don't get me wrong the Invasion was pretty cool just some confusing stuff along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2009 11:35:40 GMT -5
as a huge mark fr Austin I was comletely repulsed by this period. Austisn heel turn failed on every conceivable level.fan acceptance,ratings,merchandise and just when they restore him he helps the company that sacked him and thta he was supposed to hate  I swear I was fuming mad after Invasion and WM17 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2009 11:44:44 GMT -5
I loved this time, as you said, all sorts of guys who had come in in recent months from WCW and ECW got a push. Spike, Jericho, Benoit, Rhyno, Raven, Hardyz, Booker T, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, even guys like Kanyon, Hugh Morris, and Chavo Guerrero. Also, mainstays like Taker and Kane continued to be in the limelight and the night after Invasion The Rock returned who had been out since WMX7. Plus, we saw heel Austin which was awesome.
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Post by hurrimark on Jul 7, 2009 13:19:55 GMT -5
as a huge mark fr Austin I was comletely repulsed by this period. Austisn heel turn failed on every conceivable level.fan acceptance,ratings,merchandise and just when they restore him he helps the company that sacked him and thta he was supposed to hate I swear I was fuming mad after Invasion and WM17 Austin heel was CLASSIC! |
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Post by k5 on Jul 7, 2009 13:54:24 GMT -5
the invasion fell flat on it's face, i would've liked to see wwe instead bring in SOME of wcw's talent. it lacked big name stars, i mean, mike awesome to me didn't represent wcw.
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Post by King Silva on Jul 7, 2009 19:47:40 GMT -5
I didn't really like it since Lita got robbed of what should have been her 2nd women's title at Backlash 2001. I mean if they knew that that bitch Chyna was going to leave and take the belt why the hell didn't they make her drop it to Lita? That was so dumb and made the whole summer pretty much such for the divas since they didn't have their title!
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Post by carly1988 on Jul 8, 2009 4:41:54 GMT -5
The purchase of WCW was the biggest flop in wrestling history. Nothing good ever came to WWF via WCW until after the Invasion angle was over, WWF then acquired the nwo, Flair, Goldberg, Steiner, etc. They should have just bought WCW, fired everyone who had a contract and ended it.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 8, 2009 5:23:51 GMT -5
as a huge mark fr Austin I was comletely repulsed by this period.
Austisn heel turn failed on every conceivable level.fan acceptance,ratings,merchandise and just when they restore him he helps the company that sacked him and thta he was supposed to hate I swear I was fuming mad after Invasion and WM17 I thought the booking was lazy. Austin just basically came out and said, "I'm bad now." He didn't change his look or the way he wrestled. Had he come out in a suit ala Vinny Mac and done a bunch of underhanded things in the ring, the eventual face turn would have been more dramatic. |
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on Jul 8, 2009 7:52:02 GMT -5
as a huge mark fr Austin I was comletely repulsed by this period.
Austisn heel turn failed on every conceivable level.fan acceptance,ratings,merchandise and just when they restore him he helps the company that sacked him and thta he was supposed to hate I swear I was fuming mad after Invasion and WM17 I thought the booking was lazy. Austin just basically came out and said, "I'm bad now." He didn't change his look or the way he wrestled. Had he come out in a suit ala Vinny Mac and done a bunch of underhanded things in the ring, the eventual face turn would have been more dramatic. Yeah, cause all face's usually beat up women and win most of their matches via either interferance or by using the Title belt You obviously don't know wat your talking about, O.K he didn't change his look but he changed how he acted, he pretty much picked on most faces some way or another |
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Post by BCizzle on Jul 8, 2009 13:54:19 GMT -5
I thought the booking was lazy. Austin just basically came out and said, "I'm bad now." He didn't change his look or the way he wrestled. Had he come out in a suit ala Vinny Mac and done a bunch of underhanded things in the ring, the eventual face turn would have been more dramatic. Yeah, cause all face's usually beat up women and win most of their matches via either interferance or by using the Title belt You obviously don't know wat your talking about, O.K he didn't change his look but he changed how he acted, he pretty much picked on most faces some way or another The problem was he was pretty damn heelish in the first place. I remember I couldn't stand him back in the day when he'd beat up heels and faces and everyone cheered. It devalued everybody else. His heel-turn was kinda half-assed, but not as half-assed as Goldberg's. And when Austin was a heel and buddies with Triple H, damn that was awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2009 15:30:36 GMT -5
thats why Austins heel turn didnt work...........he was badass rulebreaker who did what he wanted to whomever he wanted ANYWAY.
then he turns and sings to Vince........
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Jul 9, 2009 1:44:45 GMT -5
Well basically everything has been mentioned. Another weird thing about that period is when they had Austin turn to The Alliance because I thought he "hated" WCW (which I know he had a decent time in ECW) but in general it made no sense to me how he could just side with them. Also, as already mentioned the fact that WCW was the original face around Wrestlemania X-7 time but eventually turned out to be the bad guys? Don't get me wrong the Invasion was pretty cool just some confusing stuff along the way. Umm, it was explained that Austin joined the alliance because Vince didn't respect him. If you watched or paid attention at the time you would know that. I thought the Invasion was awesome. Truthfully 2001 was my favorite time to be a fan. Sure it wasn't WWF/WCW but like I always say if you really brought in Hogan, Nash, Hall & Goldberg the wrestling would of been garbage. The Invasion era produced a ton of fresh matches and it was just an exciting time to be a wrestling fan. Now if you say was it mistake to not really do a real WWF/WCW feud because of the money that could be made I would agree. As a fan I just looked at all the great matches and exciting segments. |
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Post by DTP. on Jul 9, 2009 2:23:18 GMT -5
I loved 2001 mainly from WrestleMania X-Seven all the way through to Unforgiven. No Mercy and Survivor Series were both good, too, but I had a sense WWF would destroy the Alliance after this.
They pushed many talent before the InVasion, then when the InVasion came along, they focused on mainly pushing Rob Van Dam instead.
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 9, 2009 2:37:33 GMT -5
This was a great time and yes in looking back theres a load of things that could have been done better, But at the time watching live it was  ing great I don't care what anyone says I loved it. When The Rock came back was such a under rated segment that never gets the credit it deserves. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2009 6:24:15 GMT -5
This was a great time and yes in looking back theres a load of things that could have been done better, But at the time watching live it was ing great I don't care what anyone says I loved it. When The Rock came back was such a under rated segment that never gets the credit it deserves. True.the Rocks return segment was ace |
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 9, 2009 10:44:08 GMT -5
Well basically everything has been mentioned. Another weird thing about that period is when they had Austin turn to The Alliance because I thought he "hated" WCW (which I know he had a decent time in ECW) but in general it made no sense to me how he could just side with them. Also, as already mentioned the fact that WCW was the original face around Wrestlemania X-7 time but eventually turned out to be the bad guys? Don't get me wrong the Invasion was pretty cool just some confusing stuff along the way. I thought the Invasion was awesome. Truthfully 2001 was my favorite time to be a fan. Sure it wasn't WWF/WCW but like I always say if you really brought in Hogan, Nash, Hall & Goldberg the wrestling would of been garbage. The Invasion era produced a ton of fresh matches and it was just an exciting time to be a wrestling fan. Now if you say was it mistake to not really do a real WWF/WCW feud because of the money that could be made I would agree. As a fan I just looked at all the great matches and exciting segments. Well I was a bit younger so maybe I didn't no reason to act like that dude. Yeah I do agree with you though Undisputed Kid that there were fresh matches I mean I bought pretty much every PPV from that era with the exception of Summerslam which is probably the one I wanted most. I personally enjoyed the match at Unforgiven when The Brothers of Destruction took on Kronik guess it was cool to see them back for a short bit. |
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