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Post by underthestairs on Jul 23, 2009 15:30:05 GMT -5
*Possible Spoilers if you haven't seen the movies to date*
I was a huge fan of the Saw movies... "was" being the key word. The first 3 movies were AMAZING. I think out of the three the first one was the best because it established the legacy and had one of the greatest twists of all time. But the two sequels to follow were awesome and I was ridiculously excited for Saw IV.
But that's where the series just went downhill. Saw III set up part IV very well and believe me I loved the twist in Saw IV (the timeline twist), but the traps are just getting ridiculous. They're getting way too over the top and beyond the realm of possibility. I realize that Kramer was an engineer but enough is enough. Some of the best traps in the series were the most basic (Jaw Rip, Hair Rip, & Cecil's Trap). But traps like the motel room were just ridiculous.
One of the best things about Saw was that it had an amazing plot. There's plenty of gore nowadays but to balance it with a good plot is few and far between. Saw was successful in doing that until Saw IV. And honestly, Hoffman taking over was just stupid. That series has gone too far. From a business standpoint I completely understand what they're doing. But they're burying the legacy with each sequel. How many possible movies are they going to milk out when the main villain was dead 3 movies ago? It was already stretch how Kramer and his helpers obtained so much information from all these people and set up this traps so damn perfect for two freakin' trilogies but enough is enough.
Please don't mistake me for a Saw hater... the first 3 were ingenious. But one has to know the stopping point. Saw IV wasn't the ultimate letdown... but it started the downhill ride. Saw V was horrendous from every aspect. Hoffman descending into the ground in a Star Wars type contraption was the nail in the coffin for me. It will take an Act of God to resuscitate this franchise (from a plot point of view)... Moneywise, it'll obviously keep going.
Saw 16: "I Want To Play Yet Another Game"
Saw 17: "Let The Games Begin... Err Again"
Saw 18: "Oh Yes, There Will Be Sequels"
P.S. And for the love of God, if there going to continue to rape a dead horse, they could at least give us closure on Dr. Gordon.
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Post by World Champion Randy Orton on Jul 23, 2009 15:33:46 GMT -5
Actually Saw 18 is Saw XVIII: Plastic Forks and Croutons ;D
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Post by chumped on Jul 23, 2009 15:35:17 GMT -5
The first was a good movie, and the second and third were tolerable. Four sucked and I haven't bothered with five, nor will I see six.
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Post by TommyHyland46 on Jul 23, 2009 15:45:01 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious how much people like the second one. I thought it was awful and terribly unrelated. It seems like the most random of the 5,but I had read somewhere that is because it was originally written as an independent movie from Saw, but when the Saw creators heard of it, they decided to essentially buy it and turn it into Saw II, so there wouldn't be a similar movie franchise "competing" with them. Any truth to that?
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Post by underthestairs on Jul 23, 2009 16:03:14 GMT -5
I think it's hilarious how much people like the second one. I thought it was awful and terribly unrelated. It seems like the most random of the 5,but I had read somewhere that is because it was originally written as an independent movie from Saw, but when the Saw creators heard of it, they decided to essentially buy it and turn it into Saw II, so there wouldn't be a similar movie franchise "competing" with them. Any truth to that? Somewhat. The Hostage storyline where they weren't watching a live feed was the only idea taken. Amanda and all the other events were original. And how is it unrelated? It's a direct followup to the first one and sheds a lot of light on it. |
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Jul 23, 2009 16:03:17 GMT -5
Saw 6 is the last Saw.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 23, 2009 16:03:57 GMT -5
The Collector was also written as a prequel for the SAW series and is now it's own film. I knew that movie reminded me far to much of Saw. Fixed |
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Post by Warheart on Jul 23, 2009 16:10:04 GMT -5
Fixed[/quote] yeah i head they might extend it to IX i personally dont mind all the Saw movies. each is different in their own way. |
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Post by y2jsucks on Jul 23, 2009 16:25:25 GMT -5
Saw I was one of the greatest thrillers i've seen, and to this day the rewatch value is still great. The whole story was brilliant, and I didn't see the twist coming.
Saw II was not as good as I, but in a way, it was better because it wasn't as serious. Still brilliant.
Saw III is the last one I saw, while the story was still amazing, the over use of sickening gore was too much for me. I really want to watch IV and V, but the gore level puts me off.
And, btw. They are filming Saw VII atm aparently.
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jul 23, 2009 16:47:01 GMT -5
The pot has pretty mch stayed the same throughout the entire series and the last movie did answer questions about plot holes in the entirety of the series. Obviously you don't like the direction of the plot but don't try to say it doesn't make sense and live up to the first three cause honestly saw 2 was more of a let down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 16:48:50 GMT -5
I've seen them all, and obviously enjoy the first one the most (despite it being created by fellow Aussies Leigh Whannell and James Wan) but I have to admit the later ones are lacking that special something, regardless of the gore or traps...
You gotta love 'Zep's Theme' as well, great use of the score...
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Post by underthestairs on Jul 23, 2009 16:54:04 GMT -5
The pot has pretty mch stayed the same throughout the entire series and the last movie did answer questions about plot holes in the entirety of the series. Obviously you don't like the direction of the plot but don't try to say it doesn't make sense and live up to the first three cause honestly saw 2 was more of a let down. It DOESNT make sense. And the plot is getting more and more intellectually- disabled in each new sequel. But apparently your movie standards are not that high if you can group the latter two movies with the first 3. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jul 23, 2009 16:57:25 GMT -5
The pot has pretty mch stayed the same throughout the entire series and the last movie did answer questions about plot holes in the entirety of the series. Obviously you don't like the direction of the plot but don't try to say it doesn't make sense and live up to the first three cause honestly saw 2 was more of a let down. It DOESNT make sense. And the plot is getting more and more intellectually- disabled in each new sequel. But apparently your standard for being entertained is not that high if you can group the latter two movies with the first 3. So you're trying to judge my level of entertainment based on how much I want a horror movie to make sense? It's a freakin horror movie...but yes the premise still makes sense. If you don't get it fine, but the second and third movie were written out of context of the first and were originally going to be a totally seperate film. The writer was asked to incorporate them into the Saw franchise. SO how you say the first three are a complete plot is a tad jaded. What did you not get about the 4-5? Did you not get why a cop would join Jigsaw? |
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Post by ravensgathering on Jul 23, 2009 17:10:29 GMT -5
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Post by underthestairs on Jul 23, 2009 17:12:18 GMT -5
It DOESNT make sense. And the plot is getting more and more intellectually- disabled in each new sequel. But apparently your standard for being entertained is not that high if you can group the latter two movies with the first 3. So you're trying to judge my level of entertainment based on how much I want a horror movie to make sense? It's a freakin horror movie...but yes the premise still makes sense. If you don't get it fine, but the second and third movie were written out of context of the first and were originally going to be a totally seperate film. The writer was asked to incorporate them into the Saw franchise. SO how you say the first three are a complete plot is a tad jaded. What did you not get about the 4-5? Did you not get why a cop would join Jigsaw? It's just a crap plot. The series is just progressively getting worse and worse. The addition of dozens of new characters is just getting silly. And Kramer has been dead since Saw III. Another movie was possible after his death (IV) and maybe, just maybe, you could stretch to V. But now with a 6th on its way and a possible total of 9 in the future it's just ridiculous. And the only thing about Saw II that wasn't written for a Saw movie was the hostage situation and it not being a live feed. What's killing these movies is the fact that they have lost the creativeness that made the first 3 so great. Saw IV was crap and Saw V was just atrocious. And they've made silly mistakes. In Saw V during Hoffman's trap with the pendulum, the voice on the tape is clearly not him... it's Kramer... and that was before he even met John. But then when he makes his tape for Strahm, it's clearly Hoffman's voice. I'm not one to nitpick tiny movie errors but that one is way too big to ignore. And you're telling me Hoffman descending in a Star Wars contraption in the middle of an abandoned house with a convenient closing wall isn't the least bit silly? Get out of here with that crap. The fact of the matter is that Saw I was the best in the series. II & III were amazing. And starting with IV, the series is tanking more and more. But thanks to people like you, the dead horse will continue to be beaten to add an extra story to the producer's mansion while the legacy of what was once one of the greater horror franchises continues to wither. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jul 23, 2009 17:31:36 GMT -5
It's just a crap plot. The series is just progressively getting worse and worse. The addition of dozens of new characters is just getting silly. And Kramer has been dead since Saw III. Another movie was possible after his death (IV) and maybe, just maybe, you could stretch to V. But now with a 6th on its way and a possible total of 9 in the future it's just ridiculous. And the only thing about Saw II that wasn't written for a Saw movie was the hostage situation and it not being a live feed. What's killing these movies is the fact that they have lost the creativeness that made the first 3 so great. Saw IV was crap and Saw V was just atrocious. And they've made silly mistakes. In Saw V during Hoffman's trap with the pendulum, the voice on the tape is clearly not him... it's Kramer... and that was before he even met John. But then when he makes his tape for Strahm, it's clearly Hoffman's voice. I'm not one to nitpick tiny movie errors but that one is way too big to ignore. And you're telling me Hoffman descending in a Star Wars contraption in the middle of an abandoned house with a convenient closing wall isn't the least bit silly? Get out of here with that crap. The fact of the matter is that Saw I was the best in the series. II & III were amazing. And starting with IV, the series is tanking more and more. But thanks to people like you, the dead horse will continue to be beaten to add an extra story to the producer's mansion while the legacy of what was once one of the greater horror franchises continues to wither. Wow, that's a lot to blame on an entire group of ppl that just want to sit back and watch a plot, crapp or otherwise, just keep going because they find it entertaining. Trying to insult someone based on a silly interpretation of a plot when it's really open ended is purely just trying to garner some sort of sympathy from anyone else who you think will defend what you believe. I don't know if you've seen the motion poster yet but it does state that "his disease is spreading" possibly hinting at, and I'm just going to throw out a guess here, that it's not him this time and that someone has taken the reigns over. But that's just my "fault" for wanting to see what would happen if someone else took over a series of murders that are clearly based on hurting those who intentionally or unintentionally hurt others. I mean I know the plot of the first three was so deep that it really made you think, but to some of us out there, it was merely an escapist movie where those who in some ways deserved to be hurt got hurt in ridiculously gorey ways. I mean seriously, did this series like make you question your morality or something cause it sounds like you're trying to imply that the first three had some deep hidden meaning behind them while the last two were just movies. Sorry to say man, but just putting this out in the public, they were all just movies to me and just there to entertain the public. Nothing more, and nothing less expected. But of course you of such "high level entertainment value" must be better than everyone else who actually just found a simple movie series entertaining. I will say I go to horror movies and action movies to be entertained, not have my intelligence questioned on some deep philosophical manner. I'm sure movies like TDK and maybe even Departed left you scratching your head a bit, but those of us that just go to popcorn horror flicks to watch something get done to ppl that doesn't normally happen just want to sit back and enjoy the ride. Sorry if that's too simple for you. |
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Post by thematthardyjr on Jul 23, 2009 17:36:47 GMT -5
OH, you mean like Saw V? Anyway, I like them all... very much. |
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Post by Lewscher on Jul 23, 2009 17:49:36 GMT -5
early saws were terrible and isolated.
in the bathroom= wtf boring..
the hole house = classic bull-poop and boring. like see no evil or others
the rest expand into many stories and that. and i find them interesting
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Post by underthestairs on Jul 23, 2009 18:05:21 GMT -5
It's just a crap plot. The series is just progressively getting worse and worse. The addition of dozens of new characters is just getting silly. And Kramer has been dead since Saw III. Another movie was possible after his death (IV) and maybe, just maybe, you could stretch to V. But now with a 6th on its way and a possible total of 9 in the future it's just ridiculous. And the only thing about Saw II that wasn't written for a Saw movie was the hostage situation and it not being a live feed. What's killing these movies is the fact that they have lost the creativeness that made the first 3 so great. Saw IV was crap and Saw V was just atrocious. And they've made silly mistakes. In Saw V during Hoffman's trap with the pendulum, the voice on the tape is clearly not him... it's Kramer... and that was before he even met John. But then when he makes his tape for Strahm, it's clearly Hoffman's voice. I'm not one to nitpick tiny movie errors but that one is way too big to ignore. And you're telling me Hoffman descending in a Star Wars contraption in the middle of an abandoned house with a convenient closing wall isn't the least bit silly? Get out of here with that crap. The fact of the matter is that Saw I was the best in the series. II & III were amazing. And starting with IV, the series is tanking more and more. But thanks to people like you, the dead horse will continue to be beaten to add an extra story to the producer's mansion while the legacy of what was once one of the greater horror franchises continues to wither. Wow, that's a lot to blame on an entire group of ppl that just want to sit back and watch a plot, crapp or otherwise, just keep going because they find it entertaining. Trying to insult someone based on a silly interpretation of a plot when it's really open ended is purely just trying to garner some sort of sympathy from anyone else who you think will defend what you believe. I don't know if you've seen the motion poster yet but it does state that "his disease is spreading" possibly hinting at, and I'm just going to throw out a guess here, that it's not him this time and that someone has taken the reigns over. But that's just my "fault" for wanting to see what would happen if someone else took over a series of murders that are clearly based on hurting those who intentionally or unintentionally hurt others. I mean I know the plot of the first three was so deep that it really made you think, but to some of us out there, it was merely an escapist movie where those who in some ways deserved to be hurt got hurt in ridiculously gorey ways. I mean seriously, did this series like make you question your morality or something cause it sounds like you're trying to imply that the first three had some deep hidden meaning behind them while the last two were just movies. Sorry to say man, but just putting this out in the public, they were all just movies to me and just there to entertain the public. Nothing more, and nothing less expected. But of course you of such "high level entertainment value" must be better than everyone else who actually just found a simple movie series entertaining. I will say I go to horror movies and action movies to be entertained, not have my intelligence questioned on some deep philosophical manner. I'm sure movies like TDK and maybe even Departed left you scratching your head a bit, but those of us that just go to popcorn horror flicks to watch something get done to ppl that doesn't normally happen just want to sit back and enjoy the ride. Sorry if that's too simple for you. Au contraire! I loved The Departed & TDK. And once again, the Saw movies are continuing to go downhill. And it WAS a deeper movie beyond the gore. The first one wasn't that gory at all and it was the best of the series. Quality of the film (balance with plot and gore) is better than quantity of gore. But if that shallowness keeps you entertained then have a ball. Series is still sucking more and more. |
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Post by spawnsyxx9 on Jul 23, 2009 19:09:52 GMT -5
Au contraire! I loved The Departed & TDK. And once again, the Saw movies are continuing to go downhill. And it WAS a deeper movie beyond the gore. The first one wasn't that gory at all and it was the best of the series. Quality of the film (balance with plot and gore) is better than quantity of gore. But if that shallowness keeps you entertained then have a ball. Series is still sucking more and more. I didn't say you didn't like TDK or Departed. If you had actually read what I said I was saying that you're going to say that the Dark Knight and Departed are really deep movies with plots that just really are so overwhelmingly great. When to me they areboth great films with great builds but in terms of plot, very predictable despite the fine acting. Saw 1 was deep? A guy with cancer wants to thwart those who waste their lives and so he decides on people that were around him. From that point on you gradually learn who he turns, who he tries to teach his demented justice to, who actually listens, and what happens to those who cross him and yet he has the ability to outwit them. What is so deep about this plot? Revenge is about as simple a plot as one can write about. Next you'll be saying that Oldboy is a rare gem of a film. Nevermind, I'm obviously not getting through to you that some of us just see what others see as deep as just entertainment. But if you think that Saw 1 and TDK and Departed are right up with their Dickens then um.. you go ahead and think that. |
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