Adam3s - V1
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Post by Adam3s - V1 on Jul 25, 2009 11:27:56 GMT -5
Wow, really? Ric Flair carried a company on his back, drew INSANE amounts of money, can have a good match with a wooden board, is in the best four or five mic workers of all time, and is honestly THE quintessential professional wrestler. Bret Hart is solid.. but he's nowhere near Ric, at all Remember, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Steve Austin, and The Rock (whether you like them or not) are pretty much in class by themselves. Sting, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Micheals, Lex Luger, Ultimate Warrior, John Cena, Andre the Giant, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, Sid, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Randy Savage, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and maybe ten others might be right below them as "over main eventers", but none of them compare to the other four, in terms of impact, drawing ability, and "overness". I think that's a good point for Ric as well. Why do people always put The Rock with the other 3, he was the number 1 guy in the company for around half a year yet Warrior, Andre and Taker don't get half the credit that The rock does.
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Post by HugoOne on Jul 25, 2009 13:46:52 GMT -5
I'm torn. On one hand, Ric Flair had a much lengthier career, was first class on the mic, and was a master of in-ring psychology.
Bret, on the other hand, is the reason I started watching wrestling (with his feud with Owen), and I believe to be a more versatile wrestler than Ric. Bret knew how to wrestle guys his own size (Owen), wrestle guys smaller than him (1-2-3 Kid), and wrestle guys bigger than him (Diesel). And every time, he managed to put on great matches with all of them. He was also an expert tag team wrestler with Neidhart.
I give the nod to Bret.
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Post by CBT on Jul 25, 2009 14:12:08 GMT -5
Bret Hart, he was amazing in the ring and knew when to hang em up. He only hung them up because he was forced to due to Goldberg's dumbass...... I was hoping someone would find a way to correct that statement. If the injury never occured, I think Bret would have been co-running TNA if not one of the original household names TNA would've had. As for the poll... as much as I feel Bret gets crapon by WWE higher-ups due to his loathing relationship with Shawn Michaels.... and Flair is tight with Michaels and Hunter so would naturally share the same views... I gotta say Flair is better. Promos and his ability to be successful for so many years as a main event caliber talent. Though, Bret could have and probably has had a lot more success in carrying and delivering quality matches.. Flair is the measuring stick. If you faced Flair, you were facing the champ. Regardless of who had the title even when no title is on the line. Sure Bret was one of the best. He wasn't a guy who had that aura I just mentioned. Few have had it. Guys like Cena, Hogan, Rock have that.
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Post by slappy on Jul 25, 2009 14:16:23 GMT -5
Ric Flair by miles.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2009 15:13:03 GMT -5
Wow, really? Ric Flair carried a company on his back, drew INSANE amounts of money, can have a good match with a wooden board, is in the best four or five mic workers of all time, and is honestly THE quintessential professional wrestler. Bret Hart is solid.. but he's nowhere near Ric, at all Remember, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Steve Austin, and The Rock (whether you like them or not) are pretty much in class by themselves. Sting, Triple H, Undertaker, Shawn Micheals, Lex Luger, Ultimate Warrior, John Cena, Andre the Giant, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, Sid, Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, Randy Savage, Randy Orton, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and maybe ten others might be right below them as "over main eventers", but none of them compare to the other four, in terms of impact, drawing ability, and "overness". I think that's a good point for Ric as well. Why do people always put The Rock with the other 3, he was the number 1 guy in the company for around half a year yet Warrior, Andre and Taker don't get half the credit that The rock does. -HUGE draw. -He got a brand and video game series after his catchphrase. -Was the top face most of 2000 which was a big financial success and he deserves credit for that just like anyone else. -Highest rated Raw segment of all time with Foley and popped other ratings. -VERY successful crossover superstar out of pro wrestling. -One of the most OVER pro wrestlers of all time and was so over by late 1999 people BOOED Stone Cold in one of his promos and only cheered Rock when they tagged. That's why.
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Jul 26, 2009 2:42:13 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it, Rock belongs there with Hogan, Flair, and Austin. It does kinda suck when you look at what others like Taker, Andre, Sting, etc. have done... but that's facts.
Goldberg should be on my "almost" list too
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Post by Kliquid on Jul 26, 2009 3:07:51 GMT -5
Ric Flair is the most over-rated wrestler of the past 40 years.
The guy had the same match with every single opponent he faced for 90% of his career. Heel or face, bigger or smaller, it didn't matter. He did the same spots, the same way, with the same horrible/ridiculous sells -- every -- single -- night.
Bret Hart is by far better in every single way.
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Jul 26, 2009 9:11:47 GMT -5
There are seriously way too many polls.
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Post by ucfaramos on Jul 26, 2009 13:13:42 GMT -5
Are u guys really serious. Bret Hart over Flair. You got to be out of your freakin minds. Flair had a "MAIN EVENT" career spanning over 30 years. Bret Hart was a main eventer from 1992-2000. Thats 8 years vs. 30. Flair=best promo, wrestler, heel, angle, stable, DVD, shoot interview, retirement match. The best thing Bret Hart has done and it was pretty awesome and I am a fan of his is his 1997 stuff. WWF 1197 I think was the best year of wrestling with Bret Hart. But comparing to Flair thats ludicris
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 26, 2009 13:17:16 GMT -5
Bret Hart was way better. I can't remember a bad match the man had. Best wrestler of all time, I think. Along with the Dynamite Kid and Mr. Perfect.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jul 26, 2009 15:53:40 GMT -5
Ric Flair is the best there is, was, and ever will be. Ric Flair in 1989 alone destroys any wrestler in history as far as quality is concerned. One only needs to see the Steamboat/Flair or the Funk/Flair rivalry to know that. He's also a million times more charismatic than Bret, a twenty time World Heavyweight Champion, and he led the greatest stable in wrestling history. Bret Hart is by far better in every single way. What about Bret's five moves of doom? Or how about Ric Flair, at sixty, wrestling a better match with Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 24 than Bret ever did in his prime?
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Post by McBlake on Jul 26, 2009 16:04:56 GMT -5
I respect Flair more, I mean how old is he?? And the (what?) 20x world champion still has the balls to wrestle?
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Post by shadyinc on Jul 26, 2009 16:39:57 GMT -5
IMO Bret Hart
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Post by mnm213 on Jul 26, 2009 16:41:56 GMT -5
Ric Flair is the best there is, was, and ever will be. Ric Flair in 1989 alone destroys any wrestler in history as far as quality is concerned. One only needs to see the Steamboat/Flair or the Funk/Flair rivalry to know that. He's also a million times more charismatic than Bret, a twenty time World Heavyweight Champion, and he led the greatest stable in wrestling history. Bret Hart is by far better in every single way. What about Bret's five moves of doom? Or how about Ric Flair, at sixty, wrestling a better match with Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 24 than Bret ever did in his prime? What? Flair vs Shawn was good, but it wasn't as good as any of Bret in his prime matches... Owen Hart vs Bret Hart at WM10 was better... and Stone Cold vs Bret Hart at WM13 was better too.
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Post by Patrick Bateman on Jul 26, 2009 16:53:13 GMT -5
Ric Flair is the best there is, was, and ever will be. Ric Flair in 1989 alone destroys any wrestler in history as far as quality is concerned. One only needs to see the Steamboat/Flair or the Funk/Flair rivalry to know that. He's also a million times more charismatic than Bret, a twenty time World Heavyweight Champion, and he led the greatest stable in wrestling history. What about Bret's five moves of doom? Or how about Ric Flair, at sixty, wrestling a better match with Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 24 than Bret ever did in his prime? What? Flair vs Shawn was good, but it wasn't as good as any of Bret in his prime matches... Owen Hart vs Bret Hart at WM10 was better... and Stone Cold vs Bret Hart at WM13 was better too. So? Steamboat/Flair Chi-Town Rumble is better than any of those. Hell, his match with Terry Funk is up there with those, and he helped pioneer hardcore wrestling with that rivalry! People who accuse Ric Flair of 'chopping-punching-flopping' obviously haven't watched wrestling pre-2001. He didn't start dipping into his usual moveset until the 90s. And I would say WM24 was one of the best matches of all time, because Flair brought his A-game. I can also say he worked better with Shawn, they seemed to mesh and tell a better story than he could with a guy like Bret. Watch Flair mat wrestle Jumbo Tsuruta 2/3 falls for an hour straight (without any chopping) and then come back and piss on Flair's abilities. Bret Hart falls into the same standard Bret formula, too-- these moves consisted of an Inverted Atomic Drop, a Russian Leg Sweep, The Small Package (that they always kicked out of) followed by the Elbow off the Second Rope, and finally finished with either the Spike Piledriver or the Sharpshooter. Bret could phone in it just as well as Ric could.
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Post by Kyle - legendkilla2k9 on Jul 26, 2009 16:59:14 GMT -5
The Hitman.
The screwjob was hilarious personally.
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Post by BigDaddyChacon on Jul 26, 2009 17:39:55 GMT -5
Ric Flair by far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 17:45:42 GMT -5
Ric Flair. No question.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 18:12:05 GMT -5
What? Flair vs Shawn was good, but it wasn't as good as any of Bret in his prime matches... Owen Hart vs Bret Hart at WM10 was better... and Stone Cold vs Bret Hart at WM13 was better too. So? Steamboat/Flair Chi-Town Rumble is better than any of those. Hell, his match with Terry Funk is up there with those, and he helped pioneer hardcore wrestling with that rivalry! People who accuse Ric Flair of 'chopping-punching-flopping' obviously haven't watched wrestling pre-2001. He didn't start dipping into his usual moveset until the 90s. And I would say WM24 was one of the best matches of all time, because Flair brought his A-game. I can also say he worked better with Shawn, they seemed to mesh and tell a better story than he could with a guy like Bret. Watch Flair mat wrestle Jumbo Tsuruta 2/3 falls for an hour straight (without any chopping) and then come back and piss on Flair's abilities. Bret Hart falls into the same standard Bret formula, too-- these moves consisted of an Inverted Atomic Drop, a Russian Leg Sweep, The Small Package (that they always kicked out of) followed by the Elbow off the Second Rope, and finally finished with either the Spike Piledriver or the Sharpshooter. Bret could phone in it just as well as Ric could. Bret VS Mr. Perfect (any match) beats Flair vs anyone. IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2009 18:47:02 GMT -5
Bret VS Mr. Perfect (any match) beats Flair vs anyone. IMO Perfect should get plenty of the credit for that as well. You don't think Flair vs Perfect would be just as good? Seriously, is this whole thread a joke? I can't believe the poll is even close. Maybe you could argue who was better in the ring, but I'd give it to Flair. Bret was nothing on the mic, bland as hell, and he never drew at all against anyone. He had some very good matches, but nobody bought a ppv or went to a show to see Bret. People went to shows every night to watch an entire hour of Flair wrestling. Anyone saying Flair had the same match with everyone has brain damage. He had like 300 matches a year at one point and many went an hour. Yes, I'm sure many of them must have been similar, but I guarantee you didn't see 99.9% of them. He could get the local hero over while still keeping the belt and putting on a match that those fans hadn't seen before.
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