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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:00:24 GMT -5
And with all the talk of why or why not Jeff or Punk was given the belt, ill through my 2 cents in.
IMO, Hardy and WWE are not burning any bridges, and this whole thing was used to get Punk over as champion in the end. Punk got the belt with a fluke win, Hardy beat him easily and clean. Punk is looked at like a fluke champ, and now he has undoubtedly scored a no nonsense win over Hardy in his own game. So in short, Punk was given the belt because they needed a new star with Jeff leaving, Jeff was given the belt to add fuel to the fued, and Punk was given the belt back now as a solidified main event champion.
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:02:21 GMT -5
But people under the influence of marijuna have killed people in car accidents. So in the end, marijuna really can kill people, the user and others. But that is 100% different. In acts of. Alcohol kills people to huh? As I said, it's doing the things while high that kills people. Not the drug itself. I didnt say alcohol didnt kill people. So that justifies the death of people?? That justifies the use of the drug? No. sorry bout the double post
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Post by Gore on Aug 23, 2009 23:04:51 GMT -5
It could actually be swung the other way to say Hardy only got the belt because he was leaving. Think about it, CM Punk was in the midst of his first title reign as a heel, he was getting over tremendously, he was delivering great promos, he and Jeff had a great thing going on and it all came to a screeching halt because WWE chose to give Jeff the belt. I don't honestly think WWE was giving him the belt in the hopes of convincing him to stay, I think they were doing it as a respectful send off, to make people believe that he could beat Punk. punk was in the middle of an entertaining run no doubt but to say he could ever draw more money than hardy is a joke. I think the only reason punk got the belt at extreme rules was to build up a super heel for jeff to beat, unfortunatley they were unable to convince him to stay, so that went with punk again. smart idea on their part, they built up punk in case hardy left. just my opinon though. Punk also has had like 8 less years to build a fan base. Right now he has the top selling item on shopzone, his new shirt. In that many years, he'll make more than Hardy has made, if for no other reason than increase in prices.
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Post by Rant Casey on Aug 23, 2009 23:05:00 GMT -5
And with all the talk of why or why not Jeff or Punk was given the belt, ill through my 2 cents in. IMO, Hardy and WWE are not burning any bridges, and this whole thing was used to get Punk over as champion in the end. Punk got the belt with a fluke win, Hardy beat him easily and clean. Punk is looked at like a fluke champ, and now he has undoubtedly scored a no nonsense win over Hardy in his own game. So in short, Punk was given the belt because they needed a new star with Jeff leaving, Jeff was given the belt to add fuel to the fued, and Punk was given the belt back now as a solidified main event champion. Exactly. Plus, it's not like they made Jeff look incredibly weak or anything. He was loopy as after the Swanton, after a few shots to the head he fell, it was completely logical. I hope Jeff takes some time off and comes back, I'm not a fan of his by any means, but the guy puts it all on the line to entertain us, he deserves some respect.
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Post by easy1986 on Aug 23, 2009 23:05:08 GMT -5
So is everybody on the roster gonna start breaking out with the submission moves
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 23:06:47 GMT -5
But that is 100% different. In acts of. Alcohol kills people to huh? As I said, it's doing the things while high that kills people. Not the drug itself. I didnt say alcohol didnt kill people. So that justifies the death of people?? That justifies the use of the drug? No. sorry bout the double post What is justifies is that Marijuana is not even as bad as drinking alcohol.
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Post by 1992 on Aug 23, 2009 23:06:53 GMT -5
I for one would just like to congratulate CM Punk on his first credible title win. Hell of a show sir, hell of a show.
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:07:15 GMT -5
I didnt realize Breaking Point was up next, Punk/Taker should be good, but i dont see Taker tapping to anyone. Kind of sucks, hate to see them play hot potato with the belt again but maybe a Taker win at BP, then Punk gets it back at HIAC. IDK though seems like a stretch.
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Post by WalterF on Aug 23, 2009 23:07:29 GMT -5
Gotta give my feelings on the PPV. I truly think, all-around this was the best PPV of the year easily. WM25 had the best match, but Summerslam all around was the most well-rounded PPV.
The opening match was just awesome. Excellent chemistry there w/ Zolph and Rey. Great match, even better than I was expecting.
MVP/Swagger was pretty good. Not outstanding, but good and Im happy MVP got the win ... hopefully this means he will FINALLY be pushed consistently ... we'll see.
The tag title match was solid. A very good tag match. Reminds me of an old-school tag match. The last two PPV's Jerishow have been involved in solid tag matches that restore a little bit of my faith in current tag wrestling.
The DX/Legacy match was awesome. One of the best tag team matches I can remember in the WWE for a long time. I am a biased HBK fan, but its beyond that. The match told a great story and had a lot of cool ups and downs and twists and turns. Great psychology and it was a very old-school tag match. I thought the match was exceptionally well done and ended up better than I even expected it to be. HBK/HHH were great and Legacy were very good. Hopefully this really pushes Legacy up as a tag and leads to a major push because the match was awesome on everyone's end. Awesome tag bout.
Orton/Cena was a good match for them, just as good as their series in 07 I'd say. The confusing/stop/start pattern at the end I actually found very interesting. Sure, it was broken up and odd, but it made the match stand out and was a different twist on things. Orton ended up still getting the win in a clean fashion somehow which shocked me, but I was happy about it. Good bout and very interesting and different ending.
Punk/Hardy was a great match. I really like their chemistry together and having the bout be TLC was good. Lots of cool spots and sequences of moves. Jeff's Swanton at the end was insane. A part of me almost doesn't even like seeing this stuff because I am honestly concerned for the guy. I don't think he has to go that far, but he did and it sure was an amazing spot. The emotion was good with Jeff leaving the stretcher valiantly but Punk giving some final dramatic blows to knock Jeff off the ladder and take the belt.
Takers return was awesome. Very well done and having him be under Punk and suprising him was so cool.
Overall amazing PPV. I dont count Christian/Regal, but all the matches were solid to outstanding and there were lots of cool moments and alot of eventful things that happened. Awesome PPV!!!!
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:08:39 GMT -5
I didnt say alcohol didnt kill people. So that justifies the death of people?? That justifies the use of the drug? No. sorry bout the double post What is justifies is that Marijuana is not even as bad as drinking alcohol. And stabbing someone isnt as bad as shooting them in the head, but that doesnt justify stabbing someone.
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 23:13:46 GMT -5
Backtrack a little bit. Where is this argument going? Nowhere.
This argument was about Mr. Gore questioning if Jeff is clean or not. Which he must be since he wasn't released for violating the policy.
I never said Marijuana isn't bad. I just said, it never killed anybody from Overdose, unlike the many wrestlers who have in fact died from O.D.
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 23:14:01 GMT -5
punk was in the middle of an entertaining run no doubt but to say he could ever draw more money than hardy is a joke. I think the only reason punk got the belt at extreme rules was to build up a super heel for jeff to beat, unfortunatley they were unable to convince him to stay, so that went with punk again. smart idea on their part, they built up punk in case hardy left. just my opinon though. I understand what you're saying, but the champion doesn't need to necessarily be the number one draw. Thats the beauty of a heel champion like Punk, when you've got a guy like Hardy chasing you, it makes Jeff's popularity soar, and in turn, creates dollars for the company. I'm a firm believer in a face chasing a heel's title being a better story nine out of ten times, and I think that was the case with their feud. This past month as arguably been the weakest of their three month feud, partially because Jeff was the champion. When it was entertaining, it was because Punk was beating the holy hell out of Hardy and making the fans want revenge. Revenge is better served with a side of freshly won championship. I see and even agree with your logic. but to me people pay to see their favorite wrestler with a championship. Jeff defending a title is just as $ making as him winning it is imo.
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Post by layton on Aug 23, 2009 23:16:42 GMT -5
I MIGHT take the 1/4 star off the main event. MIGHT. Aside from that, I think these are solid ratings. Thank you for reading. I agree. I tossed back and forth a bit between **** and ****1/4 but I could be swayed to go with either one. Haha. Nice. Glad we're swaying back and forth over the same thing. Thanks for the review. Always a joy to read someone who knows what they're talking about rate/discuss things.
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 23:18:04 GMT -5
punk was in the middle of an entertaining run no doubt but to say he could ever draw more money than hardy is a joke. I think the only reason punk got the belt at extreme rules was to build up a super heel for jeff to beat, unfortunatley they were unable to convince him to stay, so that went with punk again. smart idea on their part, they built up punk in case hardy left. just my opinon though. Punk also has had like 8 less years to build a fan base. Right now he has the top selling item on shopzone, his new shirt. In that many years, he'll make more than Hardy has made, if for no other reason than increase in prices. Hardy has sold more t shirts than just about any other wwe superstar in history. His merch sales are top notch, please dont compare a top draw like jeff to the likes of cm punk. punk has the iwc and to an extent thats it.
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Post by easy1986 on Aug 23, 2009 23:26:33 GMT -5
I dont know if i can take 6 or 7 submissiom matches
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:26:43 GMT -5
Punk also has had like 8 less years to build a fan base. Right now he has the top selling item on shopzone, his new shirt. In that many years, he'll make more than Hardy has made, if for no other reason than increase in prices. Hardy has sold more t shirts than just about any other wwe superstar in history. His merch sales are top notch, please dont compare a top draw like jeff to the likes of cm punk. punk has the iwc and to an extent thats it. Please show me the numbers that your going by? You obviously have a list of the top sellers on WWEshop. Im not saying Hardy isnt a huge merch seller, but with Cena and DX, i doubt Hardy has sold the most EVER.
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Post by ortonisgod on Aug 23, 2009 23:31:12 GMT -5
Hardy has sold more t shirts than just about any other wwe superstar in history. His merch sales are top notch, please dont compare a top draw like jeff to the likes of cm punk. punk has the iwc and to an extent thats it. Please show me the numbers that your going by? You obviously have a list of the top sellers on WWEshop. Im not saying Hardy isnt a huge merch seller, but with Cena and DX, i doubt Hardy has sold the most EVER. Please show me where i used the word EVER? Jr has stated more than several times in his blog that jeff has done some of the hugest merch sales in wee history. I didnt say he out sold the austin 3:16 shirts or anything. also hardy is alot more popular than cena wether or not anybody wants to admit it. think about it kids,men, and women buy jeff merch and come out to see him. cena has 2/3 of that as far as im concerned. dx might be another story, they do move a crapload of merch!
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Post by Gore on Aug 23, 2009 23:33:58 GMT -5
Please show me the numbers that your going by? You obviously have a list of the top sellers on WWEshop. Im not saying Hardy isnt a huge merch seller, but with Cena and DX, i doubt Hardy has sold the most EVER. Please show me where i used the word EVER? Jr has stated more than several times in his blog that jeff has done some of the hugest merch sales in wee history. I didnt say he out sold the austin 3:16 shirts or anything. also hardy is alot more popular than cena wether or not anybody wants to admit it. think about it kids,men, and women buy jeff merch and come out to see him. cena has 2/3 of that as far as im concerned. dx might be another story, they do move a poop load of merch! When you say he's sold more than any other stuperstar, that implies the "ever."
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 23, 2009 23:35:53 GMT -5
Please show me the numbers that your going by? You obviously have a list of the top sellers on WWEshop. Im not saying Hardy isnt a huge merch seller, but with Cena and DX, i doubt Hardy has sold the most EVER. Please show me where i used the word EVER? Jr has stated more than several times in his blog that jeff has done some of the hugest merch sales in wee history. I didnt say he out sold the austin 3:16 shirts or anything. also hardy is alot more popular than cena wether or not anybody wants to admit it. think about it kids,men, and women buy jeff merch and come out to see him. cena has 2/3 of that as far as im concerned. dx might be another story, they do move a poop load of merch! You said he's sold more shirts than just about anyone in history. Thats what i was going by. Anyone watching the replay now?? My satellite cut out during the tag title match, so im gonna catch it again. Probably gonna stay up and watch the TLC again
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 23, 2009 23:36:08 GMT -5
Fact is- Jeff Hardy sells a shitload of merchandise. That was why he was kept in 2003. And back then, he wasn't as popular as he is now. Do we know numbers? No. But it's a damn guarantee that he is one of the best when it comes to selling merchandise
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