wakeman
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Post by wakeman on Aug 5, 2009 22:11:00 GMT -5
Neither Eli or Rivers should be paid in the "Elite" category because frankly, neither of them are elite. Rivers is very good, and well Eli sucks, but he has a ring that clouds peoples judgements Saying Eli sucks is atrocious. Yea, I agree, he's not great. But he's good. What has he done over the last two years to earn a sucks comment? Seriously? He's won a Superbowl and the Superbowl MVP, whether you want to say it clouds judgement or not, it's still there, it still happened. Then I'll counter that with Tom Brady's top notch coach, ridiculous receiving core and alledged cheating clouds your judgement and he's not as good as Peyton Manning. Last year his INT's were low and they finished with a great record. With all the turmoil surrounding his team and his receivers he really didn't go out there and wow anybody, but he didn't suck either. Let's see what these elite quarterbacks do with Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss.... They lost in the playoffs on bad play calling and he doesn't/didn't have a true number 1 receiver. He's still a good player, but not great. He's overpaid, no doubt. Nobody's doubting that. Justin Tuck and Plaxico Burress had more to do with winning the Superbowl as a combined duo than Eli. But what do you suggest the Giants do? Let him walk? Start over with David Carr? Wait to draft a rookie and be set back 5 years? If he goes and gets picked off this year a lot or the team doesn't have a good record then sure, say he sucks. Right now, it just sounds a bit homerish. I agree. They don't win the Super Bowl without the HUGE play Eli made to escape the sack on the last play of the game. You can call it "luck" all you want, 99% of the starting QBs in the NFL go down right there. No one has come in here and said he "deserves" this monster contract, but as one other guy pointed out, that's the nature of this business. If Brady's contract was up, he'd surpass it easily. Just because he's the "highest paid" doesn't mean he's the best, top 5, or even top 10. It's simply the Giants saying "This is our guy, and we are going to commit to him for the long term". No harm in that. I love the move.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 5, 2009 22:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah Tom Brady didnt have an elite receiving core when he won his 3 Super Bowls.
I guess all the stiffs who won Super Bowl MVP's mean that their career's were fantastic, Super Bowl MVP isnt a gauge for suckiness
Eli had Plaxico Burress when he won his Super Bowl so dont cry with Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss nonsense.
It's not homerish when I didnt even mention Tom Brady, if I said "Eli Manning sucks Tom Brady's balls" Thats homerish, just saying he sucks, is....jsut saying he sucks
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Post by captain master talbot on Aug 5, 2009 22:41:01 GMT -5
Tom Brady sucks
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 5, 2009 23:08:45 GMT -5
See, that is when I my homerism would come defend Brady and rant and rave on Eli. Just randomly saying he sucks, just means he sucks
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Post by The Best on Aug 5, 2009 23:14:08 GMT -5
Jeez Eli got alot of money, well good for him I suppose. He better throw 140 touchdowns next season.
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wakeman
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Post by wakeman on Aug 5, 2009 23:32:15 GMT -5
Jeez Eli got alot of money, well good for him I suppose. He better throw 140 touchdowns next season. It doesn't matter if he throws 140 TDS or 1, as long as they win games.
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Post by Tim Tebow™ on Aug 5, 2009 23:34:30 GMT -5
Just watch. Eli is going to throw 1 TD the whole year now.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 5, 2009 23:49:06 GMT -5
Just watch. Eli is going to throw 1 TD the whole year now. I'd like that.
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Post by user9327 on Aug 6, 2009 0:11:29 GMT -5
Yeah Tom Brady didnt have an elite receiving core when he won his 3 Super Bowls. I guess all the stiffs who won Super Bowl MVP's mean that their career's were fantastic, Super Bowl MVP isnt a gauge for suckiness Eli had Plaxico Burress when he won his Super Bowl so dont cry with Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss nonsense. It's not homerish when I didnt even mention Tom Brady, if I said "Eli Manning sucks Tom Brady's balls" Thats homerish, just saying he sucks, is....jsut saying he sucks yea that's great and all but you still dodged my point about having nothing from the last two years to back that up. Especially when all I'm saying is he's good, not great, as of right now. The "nonsense" about moss and smith was concerning the teams performance AFTER plaxico left, obviously. You're a pats fan, saying Eli sucks... and also telling me I have no basis for smelling homerism... here is where if I was a real homer I'd say he certainly didn't suck in Superbowl 42. As of right now the results are there. They win playoff games, period. He made the pro bowl, yup... sucks.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 6, 2009 0:44:39 GMT -5
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Aug 6, 2009 1:12:09 GMT -5
I interrupt this thread for an important news bulletin:
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!
That is all. I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussions.
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Post by Byron F'N Saxton Fan on Aug 6, 2009 1:35:54 GMT -5
Yeah Tom Brady didnt have an elite receiving core when he won his 3 Super Bowls. I guess all the stiffs who won Super Bowl MVP's mean that their career's were fantastic, Super Bowl MVP isnt a gauge for suckiness Eli had Plaxico Burress when he won his Super Bowl so dont cry with Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss nonsense. It's not homerish when I didnt even mention Tom Brady, if I said "Eli Manning sucks Tom Brady's balls" Thats homerish, just saying he sucks, is....jsut saying he sucks yea that's great and all but you still dodged my point about having nothing from the last two years to back that up. Especially when all I'm saying is he's good, not great, as of right now. The "nonsense" about moss and smith was concerning the teams performance AFTER plaxico left, obviously. You're a pats fan, saying Eli sucks... and also telling me I have no basis for smelling homerism... here is where if I was a real homer I'd say he certainly didn't suck in Superbowl 42. As of right now the results are there. They win playoff games, period. He made the pro bowl, yup... sucks. 1. The NY defense and Plaxico outdid Eli in SB 42 overall. 2. The playoff games he won, Plax was there catching the football, instead of Steve Smith there to drop the football like last season. 3. Getting into The Pro Bowl dosen't mean much. About 5%, if that, vote for the best. The other 95%, if not more, vote for everybody on their team that's on the PB ballot.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Aug 6, 2009 2:00:50 GMT -5
Yeah Tom Brady didnt have an elite receiving core when he won his 3 Super Bowls. I guess all the stiffs who won Super Bowl MVP's mean that their career's were fantastic, Super Bowl MVP isnt a gauge for suckiness Eli had Plaxico Burress when he won his Super Bowl so dont cry with Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss nonsense. It's not homerish when I didnt even mention Tom Brady, if I said "Eli Manning sucks Tom Brady's balls" Thats homerish, just saying he sucks, is....jsut saying he sucks yea that's great and all but you still dodged my point about having nothing from the last two years to back that up. Especially when all I'm saying is he's good, not great, as of right now. The "nonsense" about moss and smith was concerning the teams performance AFTER plaxico left, obviously. You're a pats fan, saying Eli sucks... and also telling me I have no basis for smelling homerism... here is where if I was a real homer I'd say he certainly didn't suck in Superbowl 42. As of right now the results are there. They win playoff games, period. He made the pro bowl, yup... sucks. I was with you in the NBA thread but here in this one you seem how do I put it, um out of your element. Eli DOES in fact suck, he gets lucky, also football is a TEAM game and when your surrounded by a great D and O Line and have a pretty good running game and coaching you will more then likely win more then you lose. Also the Pro Bowl has been a joke for the past 4 years or so, I mean when Roy Williams (Safety) can make it for so long without doing anything, c'mon it's a popularity contest. They won how many playoff games the past 3 seasons? Probably not more the Pittsburgh, New England, and Philly. So yeah teams, I repeat TEAMS win playoff games not QBs. (Although QBs can lose them for your team.) But Eli on a team like say Detroit, Cleveland, Kansas City, or anywhere where talent is slim he would be an average to sucky QB end of story.
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 6, 2009 3:41:05 GMT -5
Any word on who will be the starting QB for Minnestoa. Rosenfels or Jackson?? Minnesota is my team and i prefer Jackson
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Post by Almost Like Flacco on Aug 6, 2009 4:04:23 GMT -5
Any word on who will be the starting QB for Minnestoa. Rosenfels or Jackson?? Minnesota is my team and i prefer Jackson Last I heard, the starting job is still up for grabs. In Ravens news: - RBs Willis McGahee and Ray Rice are pushing each other to work harder in practice. McGahee is getting back in the mix after being put on 2nd team duty during the offseason mini camps. McGahee's early enthusiasm is something the Ravens haven't seen before. - OT Adam Terry is placed on IR. Terry had arthroscopic surgery earlier this offseason, but it didn't fully heal as expected, so another surgery could be done as soon as next week.
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Post by doogle on Aug 6, 2009 5:40:58 GMT -5
Eli Manning will suck without Plaxico's 7 foot frame...there's no way around that fact...Eli is an average QB with an above average arm that threw to a tall as receiver...he is in no way an elite QB nor should he be one of the top 3 in moneys paid.
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Post by T R W on Aug 6, 2009 5:55:52 GMT -5
I think Eli shows flashes of being a very good quarterback sometimes. The problem is, it's sometimes. I also think he shows flashes of being a completely terrible quarterback sometimes. He is so streaky, and inconsistent to me, and would drive me crazy. It's the same kind of thing as Michael Vick was to me, and I wanted to rip my hair out.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 6, 2009 10:59:40 GMT -5
Eli Manning will suck without Plaxico's 7 foot frame...there's no way around that fact...Eli is an average QB with an above average arm that threw to a tall as receiver...he is in no way an elite QB nor should he be one of the top 3 in moneys paid. In fairness, Eli had his best season last year, despite Plaxico only catching 35 passes for 454 yards and 4 touchdowns. I think a lot of people are overly concerned about the loss of Burress. He is/was a good receiver, but he wasn't elite. Certainly not elite enough to make a bad quarterback look good. Eli impressed me last year. Any QB who can have a 2/1 TD/INT ratio is going in the right direction. I still don't feel like Eli is elite, nor do I think he ever will be; but he's better than some people are giving him credit for.
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Post by user9327 on Aug 6, 2009 10:59:49 GMT -5
I just walked with Antonio Pierce after morning practice and he signed for a lot of people... good to see him putting all that crap behind him. The first 2 days, you could tell he was closing everything out.
Nobody is even mentioning Eli's contract on the team, it's like it never happened.
Eating lunch then booorrreeed til 5 PM.... 6-8 tonight.
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Post by user9327 on Aug 6, 2009 11:01:31 GMT -5
Eli Manning will suck without Plaxico's 7 foot frame...there's no way around that fact...Eli is an average QB with an above average arm that threw to a tall as receiver...he is in no way an elite QB nor should he be one of the top 3 in moneys paid. In fairness, Eli had his best season last year, despite Plaxico only catching 35 passes for 454 yards and 4 touchdowns. I think a lot of people are overly concerned about the loss of Burress. He is/was a good receiver, but he wasn't elite. Certainly not elite enough to make a bad quarterback look good. Eli impressed me last year. Any QB who can have a 2/1 TD/INT ratio is going in the right direction. I still don't feel like Eli is elite, nor do I think he ever will be; but he's better than some people are giving him credit for. yea no doubt. That's all I was trying to say. He's pretty good but it could certainly be a train wreck this season and also the Giants did the right thing. Sometimes I wonder if they kept David Carr around as a means to lower Eli's original asking price, or try to.
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