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Post by mnm213 on Aug 18, 2009 21:35:28 GMT -5
Epic lulz at the results, considering Chronic Masturbation PUNK was all cocky that Punk was gonna win before he made it.
And FACE of Smackdown means you're the FACE of it, the FACE people want to see, the FACE on the commercials, the FACE of the promotional aspect, the FACE of the world champion... and guess what? Jeff Hardy is all of those. He will always be the most popular guy on it, while he's there and even he goes, his spot will go to Rey Mysterio... and by then, the Undertaker will be back.
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Post by y2jsucks on Aug 18, 2009 21:52:52 GMT -5
That makes much more sense. C.M. Punk fans only drink pepsi, so they are more weighty then Jeff Hardy's fan's. Jeff Hardy's fans ca't read because of all the meth amphetamine, but thats also how they maintain their shapely figure. Finally someone who can do the math! +1 Excuse me, Jeff did the meth along time ago. What, you ment math? I couldn't tell, i'm an illiterate Jeff Hardy fan.  |
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Post by 1992 on Aug 18, 2009 22:12:43 GMT -5
^ I literally laughed my ass off....
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Post by J12 on Aug 18, 2009 22:21:26 GMT -5
The "face" of a show is always the top good guy, really. Whether he's champion, pursuing the championship, whatever. I look at the face as the person that is synonymous with the program. For Smackdown, thats Jeff Hardy right now. Rarely is the face of a program the heel, though I believe wholeheartedly that heels are more important than faces at the end of the day.
The Undertaker, technically, would be the face of Smackdown, but Hardy takes his place in his absense.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 18, 2009 22:22:31 GMT -5
Epic lulz at the results, considering Chronic Masturbation PUNK was all cocky that Punk was gonna win before he made it. And FACE of Smackdown means you're the FACE of it, the FACE people want to see, the FACE on the commercials, the FACE of the promotional aspect, the FACE of the world champion... and guess what? Jeff Hardy is all of those. He will always be the most popular guy on it, while he's there and even he goes, his spot will go to Rey Mysterio... and by then, the Undertaker will be back. No, it doesn't mean that at all.. I'm not interested in the promotional or marketing aspect of it.. I'm talking solely about what is happening on-screen at present - and the way I see it, is that they're placing more emphasis on Punk than they are Jeff.. That's why Punk is getting more air-time than Jeff, and cutting almost ten minute long promos, every week... and like Criminally Misunderstood Punk said, Punk is the one who's making this feud what it is - not Hardy.. Punk has brought a lot more to the table, during this feud, than Jeff has.. Granted, Hardy is playing his part more than well enough - but make no mistake, Punk is running the show... that's just the way it is... and whether you believe that or not, makes no difference to me.. Of course Hardy is an integral ingredient of the show, but at this point, Punk is the main ingredient... basically, take Punk away from SD and you don't have a show - well of course you'd still have a show, but it'd be a shell of what is is now.. That's my view, and you can bash it all you want - but I stand by everything I've said.. As far as me "being all cocky" and saying Punk was going to win, goes - I never said anything of the sort.. Yes, I was hoping Punk would win - but I wasn't expecting it.. I thought the voting would be closer than it is though.. |
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Post by mnm213 on Aug 18, 2009 22:58:01 GMT -5
Epic lulz at the results, considering Chronic Masturbation PUNK was all cocky that Punk was gonna win before he made it. And FACE of Smackdown means you're the FACE of it, the FACE people want to see, the FACE on the commercials, the FACE of the promotional aspect, the FACE of the world champion... and guess what? Jeff Hardy is all of those. He will always be the most popular guy on it, while he's there and even he goes, his spot will go to Rey Mysterio... and by then, the Undertaker will be back. No, it doesn't mean that at all.. I'm not interested in the promotional or marketing aspect of it.. I'm talking solely about what is happening on-screen at present - and the way I see it, is that they're placing more emphasis on Punk than they are Jeff.. That's why Punk is getting more air-time than Jeff, and cutting almost ten minute long promos, every week... and like Criminally Misunderstood Punk said, Punk is the one who's making this feud what it is - not Hardy.. Punk has brought a lot more to the table, during this feud, than Jeff has.. Granted, Hardy is playing his part more than well enough - but make no mistake, Punk is running the show... that's just the way it is... and whether you believe that or not, makes no difference to me.. Of course Hardy is an integral ingredient of the show, but at this point, Punk is the main ingredient... basically, take Punk away from SD and you don't have a show - well of course you'd still have a show, but it'd be a shell of what is is now.. That's my view, and you can bash it all you want - but I stand by everything I've said.. As far as me "being all cocky" and saying Punk was going to win, goes - I never said anything of the sort.. Yes, I was hoping Punk would win - but I wasn't expecting it.. I thought the voting would be closer than it is though.. Think of it this way - Jeff Hardy is the Spiderman to CM Punk's Green Goblin. And no, they give them about the same ammount of promo time - Jeff got a promo before his match on SD this week. The focus is on the feud ITSELF not just one of them. But of course, CM Punk is in it and he's YOUR main focus, so in your mind - he's the face of WWE aswell, I see how this works...  |
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Post by Edge618 on Aug 18, 2009 23:24:00 GMT -5
No, it doesn't mean that at all.. I'm not interested in the promotional or marketing aspect of it.. I'm talking solely about what is happening on-screen at present - and the way I see it, is that they're placing more emphasis on Punk than they are Jeff.. That's why Punk is getting more air-time than Jeff, and cutting almost ten minute long promos, every week... and like Criminally Misunderstood Punk said, Punk is the one who's making this feud what it is - not Hardy.. Punk has brought a lot more to the table, during this feud, than Jeff has.. Granted, Hardy is playing his part more than well enough - but make no mistake, Punk is running the show... that's just the way it is... and whether you believe that or not, makes no difference to me.. Of course Hardy is an integral ingredient of the show, but at this point, Punk is the main ingredient... basically, take Punk away from SD and you don't have a show - well of course you'd still have a show, but it'd be a shell of what is is now.. That's my view, and you can bash it all you want - but I stand by everything I've said.. As far as me "being all cocky" and saying Punk was going to win, goes - I never said anything of the sort.. Yes, I was hoping Punk would win - but I wasn't expecting it.. I thought the voting would be closer than it is though.. Think of it this way - Jeff Hardy is the Spiderman to CM Punk's Green Goblin. And no, they give them about the same ammount of promo time - Jeff got a promo before his match on SD this week. The focus is on the feud ITSELF not just one of them. But of course, CM Punk is in it and he's YOUR main focus, so in your mind - he's the face of WWE aswell, I see how this works... Dude, CM Punk MAKES this feud. Between cashing in his MITB, his slow burn heel turn, his cheap win at the Bash, and his total bashing of anyone who likes Jeff Hardy and abuses drugs, he just dominates it. The only thing Jeff Hardy has had in this feud is his win at NOC, which is obviously meant in the long run to get Punk over more with a win in the end. And did Jeff get a promo this week?? Hmmmm funny, because he did, yet i dont have a damn clue what it was about because he doesnt deliver like CM Punk does. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 18, 2009 23:34:33 GMT -5
No, it doesn't mean that at all.. I'm not interested in the promotional or marketing aspect of it.. I'm talking solely about what is happening on-screen at present - and the way I see it, is that they're placing more emphasis on Punk than they are Jeff.. That's why Punk is getting more air-time than Jeff, and cutting almost ten minute long promos, every week... and like Criminally Misunderstood Punk said, Punk is the one who's making this feud what it is - not Hardy.. Punk has brought a lot more to the table, during this feud, than Jeff has.. Granted, Hardy is playing his part more than well enough - but make no mistake, Punk is running the show... that's just the way it is... and whether you believe that or not, makes no difference to me.. Of course Hardy is an integral ingredient of the show, but at this point, Punk is the main ingredient... basically, take Punk away from SD and you don't have a show - well of course you'd still have a show, but it'd be a shell of what is is now.. That's my view, and you can bash it all you want - but I stand by everything I've said.. As far as me "being all cocky" and saying Punk was going to win, goes - I never said anything of the sort.. Yes, I was hoping Punk would win - but I wasn't expecting it.. I thought the voting would be closer than it is though.. Think of it this way - Jeff Hardy is the Spiderman to CM Punk's Green Goblin. And no, they give them about the same ammount of promo time - Jeff got a promo before his match on SD this week. The focus is on the feud ITSELF not just one of them. But of course, CM Punk is in it and he's YOUR main focus, so in your mind - he's the face of WWE aswell, I see how this works... Once again, I never said anything of the sort.. |
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Post by mnm213 on Aug 19, 2009 3:02:10 GMT -5
Think of it this way - Jeff Hardy is the Spiderman to CM Punk's Green Goblin. And no, they give them about the same ammount of promo time - Jeff got a promo before his match on SD this week. The focus is on the feud ITSELF not just one of them. But of course, CM Punk is in it and he's YOUR main focus, so in your mind - he's the face of WWE aswell, I see how this works... Dude, CM Punk MAKES this feud. Between cashing in his MITB, his slow burn heel turn, his cheap win at the Bash, and his total bashing of anyone who likes Jeff Hardy and abuses drugs, he just dominates it. The only thing Jeff Hardy has had in this feud is his win at NOC, which is obviously meant in the long run to get Punk over more with a win in the end. And did Jeff get a promo this week?? Hmmmm funny, because he did, yet i dont have a damn clue what it was about because he doesnt deliver like CM Punk does. That's because you're too damn blinded by your CM Punk markness that you will LISTEN when he speaks but won't listen when Jeff Hardy does. That's why you think CM Punk is the face of Smackdown, because YOU tune in to see him, that doesn't mean everybody else does. I certaintly don't. Punk makes the feud but Punk ISN'T the feud, the feud was about him getting his commupence for stealing Jeff's title and using a fake eye injury to escape the rematch. Jeff got the belt (READ: JEFF got the belt) and now he wants it back. It was all about Punk stealing the title, Jeff getting it back and now Punk wants it back after Jeff stole it. There is no "it's all about this or that", it's just that - a feud and believe it or not - we're going to see many other ones in Smackdown over the next few months so don't bust a nut if CM Punk isn't in one of them. Sorry if that came across as a douchebag but the FACE of Smackdown is either the World Champion, the Merchandise aspect, the promotional aspect or the top face and all of those are Jeff Hardy. Case closed. Whoever in your mind is the face of Smackdown, is a different story. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 19, 2009 3:15:09 GMT -5
Dude, CM Punk MAKES this feud. Between cashing in his MITB, his slow burn heel turn, his cheap win at the Bash, and his total bashing of anyone who likes Jeff Hardy and abuses drugs, he just dominates it. The only thing Jeff Hardy has had in this feud is his win at NOC, which is obviously meant in the long run to get Punk over more with a win in the end. And did Jeff get a promo this week?? Hmmmm funny, because he did, yet i dont have a damn clue what it was about because he doesnt deliver like CM Punk does. That's because you're too damn blinded by your CM Punk markness that you will LISTEN when he speaks but won't listen when Jeff Hardy does. That's why you think CM Punk is the face of Smackdown, because YOU tune in to see him, that doesn't mean everybody else does. I certaintly don't. Punk makes the feud but Punk ISN'T the feud, the feud was about him getting his commupence for stealing Jeff's title and using a fake eye injury to escape the rematch. Jeff got the belt (READ: JEFF got the belt) and now he wants it back. It was all about Punk stealing the title, Jeff getting it back and now Punk wants it back after Jeff stole it. There is no "it's all about this or that", it's just that - a feud and believe it or not - we're going to see many other ones in Smackdown over the next few months so don't bust a nut if CM Punk isn't in one of them. Sorry if that came across as a douchebag but the FACE of Smackdown is either the World Champion, the Merchandise aspect, the promotional aspect or the top face and all of those are Jeff Hardy. Case closed. Whoever in your mind is the face of Smackdown, is a different story. Exactly.. It was all about Punk "stealing" the title from Extreme Rules onwards... now he's lost it, it's all about Punk trying to get it back - hence why the focus is on Punk, more than it is on Hardy.. In my view, the 'face' of the show, is the person getting the most attention from management and creative - and right now, that is clearly Punk.. As for not listening to Jeff's promos - there's nothing much to listen to, except for a few lines and some over exaggeration of certain words.. Punk has advanced the feud with his superb promos and mic work - Jeff hasn't.. |
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Post by Joey Cush on Aug 19, 2009 3:18:17 GMT -5
Ehhh.. I'm still gonna say the face of Smackdown! is Jeff...
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Post by easy1986 on Aug 19, 2009 3:22:16 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy, right now the top babyface is the face of the company, especially if he holds gold right now thats jeff so there you go
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Post by mnm213 on Aug 19, 2009 3:33:45 GMT -5
That's because you're too damn blinded by your CM Punk markness that you will LISTEN when he speaks but won't listen when Jeff Hardy does. That's why you think CM Punk is the face of Smackdown, because YOU tune in to see him, that doesn't mean everybody else does. I certaintly don't. Punk makes the feud but Punk ISN'T the feud, the feud was about him getting his commupence for stealing Jeff's title and using a fake eye injury to escape the rematch. Jeff got the belt (READ: JEFF got the belt) and now he wants it back. It was all about Punk stealing the title, Jeff getting it back and now Punk wants it back after Jeff stole it. There is no "it's all about this or that", it's just that - a feud and believe it or not - we're going to see many other ones in Smackdown over the next few months so don't bust a nut if CM Punk isn't in one of them. Sorry if that came across as a douchebag but the FACE of Smackdown is either the World Champion, the Merchandise aspect, the promotional aspect or the top face and all of those are Jeff Hardy. Case closed. Whoever in your mind is the face of Smackdown, is a different story. Exactly.. It was all about Punk "stealing" the title from Extreme Rules onwards... now he's lost it, it's all about Punk trying to get it back - hence why the focus is on Punk, more than it is on Hardy.. In my view, the 'face' of the show, is the person getting the most attention from management and creative - and right now, that is clearly Punk.. As for not listening to Jeff's promos - there's nothing much to listen to, except for a few lines and some over exaggeration of certain words.. Punk has advanced the feud with his superb promos and mic work - Jeff hasn't.. Yeah, it was about him stealing the title... from JEFF. Now, he is trying to get the title back... from JEFF... who has the title? JEFF! And who the  cares about "superb promos and mic work"? Jeff Hardy has a bigger fanbase than CM Punk has, so obviously it doesn't matter that much. |
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Post by cenaroxorz123 on Aug 19, 2009 3:45:12 GMT -5
Orton is not the face of RAW - that is between HHH and Cena... I'd say Orton is the face of Raw. Sometimes the "face"is the heel who people tune in to see get taken down. No matter what the title feud is, whether it involves Triple H or Cena, Orton is always involved. He's the focus. And Orton is all over the place, he and Legacy are booked as the biggest thing on Raw. Maybe not now that DX is back, but whatever. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 19, 2009 4:00:50 GMT -5
It's Punk, no doubt. With all the talk of Hardy wanting time off coupled with his horrible interview skills, I doubt any of the creative team is thinking of him as the long-term focus of Smackdown. With Edge gone, Punk has become the man.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 19, 2009 4:06:33 GMT -5
The "face" of a show is always the top good guy, really. . I fully disagree. WWE/F has gone through many periods where their focal point was a heel champ: Flair, Yokozuna, HBK, and Stone Cold all come to mind. A guy that that people loathe and really want to see beaten is just as much of a lure as a charismatic babyface. |
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Aug 19, 2009 5:20:35 GMT -5
Exactly.. It was all about Punk "stealing" the title from Extreme Rules onwards... now he's lost it, it's all about Punk trying to get it back - hence why the focus is on Punk, more than it is on Hardy.. In my view, the 'face' of the show, is the person getting the most attention from management and creative - and right now, that is clearly Punk.. As for not listening to Jeff's promos - there's nothing much to listen to, except for a few lines and some over exaggeration of certain words.. Punk has advanced the feud with his superb promos and mic work - Jeff hasn't.. Yeah, it was about him stealing the title... from JEFF. Now, he is trying to get the title back... from JEFF... who has the title? JEFF! And who the cares about "superb promos and mic work"? Jeff Hardy has a bigger fanbase than CM Punk has, so obviously it doesn't matter that much. True - but he also has a bigger fan base than Edge, who is seen as the true face of SD... so the size of the fan-base makes no difference.. |
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Post by mnm213 on Aug 19, 2009 6:53:36 GMT -5
Yeah, it was about him stealing the title... from JEFF. Now, he is trying to get the title back... from JEFF... who has the title? JEFF! And who the cares about "superb promos and mic work"? Jeff Hardy has a bigger fanbase than CM Punk has, so obviously it doesn't matter that much. True - but he also has a bigger fan base than Edge, who is seen as the true face of SD... so the size of the fan-base makes no difference.. Well, I never said Edge was the face of Smackdown... |
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Post by Chip on Aug 19, 2009 8:51:55 GMT -5
Here's a good point...there have been about 33 different people actually REPLYING in this thread....but 71 votes....so people are just reading the title of the thread and clicking Jeff or Punk for no real reason.
so 50 people to 21 people think Jeff is the face of Smackdown...what does that PROVE??? This is why I hate polls & studies and crap like that. They ask 100 people like that's a majority of the world. If the vote was 10,000 for Jeff and 390 for Punk...then I could see it being a "fact"
Point is this is only opinion based. The "face" of a show is determined by the individual...not the majority. If you hate Jeff Hardy then he is not the reason you would watch Smackdown...if you hate CM Punk, same thing. There are plenty of kids who's favorite wrestler is Mysterio...to them, thats the #1 guy.
In the WWE's eyes...whoever is the Champion is the one who is supposed to "carry" the show. THAT IS WHY HE IS THE CHAMPION. Its common sense. Anything else is just YOUR OWN opinion and nothing more. I'm a fan of CM Punk...I'm a fan of Jeff Hardy, reason being....I like what they do. I have no problem with either of them in any way. Jeff has done some amazing things in his long WWE career...Punk is just in the beginning of what I feel will be a very successful WWE career and I enjoy seeing both of them successful.
This feud they've got going has been well booked, well written and is keeping both of those guys at the top of their game. Why is there so much HATE???
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Post by J12 on Aug 19, 2009 9:35:31 GMT -5
The "face" of a show is always the top good guy, really. . I fully disagree. WWE/F has gone through many periods where their focal point was a heel champ: Flair, Yokozuna, HBK, and Stone Cold all come to mind. A guy that that people loathe and really want to see beaten is just as much of a lure as a charismatic babyface. I see where you're coming from, but when I think of the "face" of a program, I think about the guy that gets put on the advertisements, has the spotlight during commercials, and does the brunt of the promotional work. That is the guy WWE is trying to sell, and that is the person that is usually on top of the show. Nine times out of ten, that is the top babyface. For example, guys like Triple H and John Cena right now. That isn't to say I don't think that heels aren't vital to a program. In fact, I think they're far more integral than the babyfaces. I just think WWE tends to bring their faces to the forefront more so, which, from a business standpoint, is the right thing to do. |
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