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Post by Shane O. on Jan 24, 2014 23:15:54 GMT -5
I see myself as that face character who has a bit of a dark side. Kind of like Undertaker when he became the American Badass and had a normal personality while maintaining his dark character in addition.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Feb 1, 2014 0:59:45 GMT -5
-- I've always taken pride in being a Face at life, thanks to where I come from and the family I was born in, who raised me, ect....
...But my outlook on life is very much 'against the grain' (Atheist/borderline Satanist; Unpatriotic; Despite idiots in all walks of life), so I'm looked at as more of a Heel in life - which fits perfect, because even thou they're disliked, Heels are often more brutally honest than Faces are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 2:21:38 GMT -5
-- I've always taken pride in being a Face at life, thanks to where I come from and the family I was born in, who raised me, ect.... ...But my outlook on life is very much 'against the grain' (Atheist/borderline Satanist; Unpatriotic; Despite idiots in all walks of life), so I'm looked at as more of a Heel in life - which fits perfect, because even thou they're disliked, Heels are often more brutally honest than Faces are. How can you be a borderline Satanist? I assume you're speaking of LaVeyan Satanism, since theistic Satanism would make no sense if you're an atheist, and that's pretty much just humans are inherently selfish and greedy (evil) and that actions should be eye for an eye. I'm not trying to sound negative, I'm just honestly wondering how you are borderline. Am I missing something else in the basis of Satanism? Also, for the record, I've met many Satanists in my life and they tend to be the nicest people.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Feb 1, 2014 2:43:17 GMT -5
-- I've always taken pride in being a Face at life, thanks to where I come from and the family I was born in, who raised me, ect.... ...But my outlook on life is very much 'against the grain' (Atheist/borderline Satanist; Unpatriotic; Despise idiots in all walks of life), so I'm looked at as more of a Heel in life - which fits perfect, because even thou they're disliked, Heels are often more brutally honest than Faces are. How can you be a borderline Satanist? I assume you're speaking of LaVeyan Satanism, since theistic Satanism would make no sense if you're an atheist, and that's pretty much just humans are inherently selfish and greedy (evil) and that actions should be eye for an eye. I'm not trying to sound negative, I'm just honestly wondering how you are borderline. Am I missing something else in the basis of Satanism? Also, for the record, I've met many Satanists in my life and they tend to be the nicest people. -- You're correct, LaVeyan Satanism. I consider myself borderline because I won't commit to the church; however, alot of the ideals and philosophies that are expressed in LaVeyan Satanism, is what I also believe in (respect others who give you respect, deprive love from others who deprive love from you, revenge is acceptable, indulgence is acceptable, harming children is unacceptable, believing in yourself rather than believing in a "god"). Why I won't commit to the church, is they take believing in yourself to a whole nother extreme (where it's ok to rely on your own inner strength; I feel it's not ok to believe you yourself is a "god", as that's how a lot of people become egotistical, which leads to all sorts of drama that's unnecessary). The church also finds it acceptable to practically rape a woman, if she's dressed like she's "asking for it" - I'm all for living life by the instincts of man, but if a woman is dressed provocatively, chances are she's just trying to get attention and not asking to be raped. That can contradict with one of the laws of LaVeyan Satanism of giving harm if harm is given to you (meaning if she were a member of the church, she would have every right to distill harm onto the man who raped her or tried raping her, because he was adhearing to the instincts of man, which is encouraged by the church). When I first read the Satanic Bible, yeah I was surprised at how many parallels matched up with my own way of thinking. But the 2nd half of the book, is all black magic, and being Atheist, I don't believe in paranormal stuff like that (which is another reason why I won't commit).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 2:55:02 GMT -5
How can you be a borderline Satanist? I assume you're speaking of LaVeyan Satanism, since theistic Satanism would make no sense if you're an atheist, and that's pretty much just humans are inherently selfish and greedy (evil) and that actions should be eye for an eye. I'm not trying to sound negative, I'm just honestly wondering how you are borderline. Am I missing something else in the basis of Satanism? Also, for the record, I've met many Satanists in my life and they tend to be the nicest people. -- You're correct, LaVeyan Satanism. I consider myself borderline because I won't commit to the church; however, alot of the ideals and philosophies that are expressed in LaVeyan Satanism, is what I also believe in (respect others who give you respect, deprive love from others who deprive love from you, revenge is acceptable, indulgence is acceptable, harming children is unacceptable, believing in yourself rather than believing in a "god"). Why I won't commit to the church, is they take believing in yourself to a whole nother extreme (where it's ok to rely on your own inner strength; I feel it's not ok to believe you yourself is a "god", as that's how a lot of people become egotistical, which leads to all sorts of drama that's unnecessary). The church also finds it acceptable to practically rape a woman, if she's dressed like she's "asking for it" - I'm all for living life by the instincts of man, but if a woman is dressed provocatively, chances are she's just trying to get attention and not asking to be raped. That can contradict with one of the laws of LaVeyan Satanism of giving harm if harm is given to you (meaning if she were a member of the church, she would have every right to distill harm onto the man who raped her or tried raping her, because he was adhearing to the instincts of man, which is encouraged by the church). When I first read the Satanic Bible, yeah I was surprised at how many parallels matched up with my own way of thinking. But the 2nd half of the book, is all black magic, and being Atheist, I don't believe in paranormal stuff like that (which is another reason why I won't commit). Most people of faith don't abide by their respective bibles. If they did, Christian women wouldn't speak unless spoken to. The fact that LaVeyan Satanism is really more of a philosophy than a religion is why I questioned the borderline part. The rape thing was news to me and utterly disturbing. A lot of women dress that way because it makes them feel empowered. Most women would rather be sexy for themselves than other people. Anyway, I'm a full-blown atheist (I don't just not believe in God; I believe there is no God), but I hate being lumped together with most other atheists (which kind of sounds like where you are with the Satanism thing). Unlike the majority of atheists, I don't have a problem with religion at all. In fact, I've helped friends of mine regain their faith because it's important to them. I think the majority if religions all have a good message and don't do harm if taken as personal beliefs (in other words, not extremism). In a lot of ways, I wish I could believe, but I can't. That being said, I'm also a liberal, so while I support nearly all religions, I don't want them anywhere near our government. No clue if that makes me face or heel.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Feb 1, 2014 3:02:36 GMT -5
No clue if that makes me face or heel. Your face looks like a heel.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Feb 1, 2014 3:20:53 GMT -5
-- You're correct, LaVeyan Satanism. I consider myself borderline because I won't commit to the church; however, alot of the ideals and philosophies that are expressed in LaVeyan Satanism, is what I also believe in (respect others who give you respect, deprive love from others who deprive love from you, revenge is acceptable, indulgence is acceptable, harming children is unacceptable, believing in yourself rather than believing in a "god"). Why I won't commit to the church, is they take believing in yourself to a whole nother extreme (where it's ok to rely on your own inner strength; I feel it's not ok to believe you yourself is a "god", as that's how a lot of people become egotistical, which leads to all sorts of drama that's unnecessary). The church also finds it acceptable to practically rape a woman, if she's dressed like she's "asking for it" - I'm all for living life by the instincts of man, but if a woman is dressed provocatively, chances are she's just trying to get attention and not asking to be raped. That can contradict with one of the laws of LaVeyan Satanism of giving harm if harm is given to you (meaning if she were a member of the church, she would have every right to distill harm onto the man who raped her or tried raping her, because he was adhearing to the instincts of man, which is encouraged by the church). When I first read the Satanic Bible, yeah I was surprised at how many parallels matched up with my own way of thinking. But the 2nd half of the book, is all black magic, and being Atheist, I don't believe in paranormal stuff like that (which is another reason why I won't commit). Most people of faith don't abide by their respective bibles. If they did, Christian women wouldn't speak unless spoken to. The fact that LaVeyan Satanism is really more of a philosophy than a religion is why I questioned the borderline part. The rape thing was news to me and utterly disturbing. A lot of women dress that way because it makes them feel empowered. Most women would rather be sexy for themselves than other people. Anyway, I'm a full-blown atheist (I don't just not believe in God; I believe there is no God), but I hate being lumped together with most other atheists (which kind of sounds like where you are with the Satanism thing). Unlike the majority of atheists, I don't have a problem with religion at all. In fact, I've helped friends of mine regain their faith because it's important to them. I think the majority if religions all have a good message and don't do harm if taken as personal beliefs (in other words, not extremism). In a lot of ways, I wish I could believe, but I can't. That being said, I'm also a liberal, so while I support nearly all religions, I don't want them anywhere near our government. No clue if that makes me face or heel. -- Absolutely, it makes perfect sense! I grew up Catholic, I come from a Catholic family and every single one of my family members takes their faith seriously (which is why I'm looked at not as a black sheep, but someone who's against the grain, as I put it earlier). I too have no problem with other religions, and feel people are free to believe what they want, regardless of what nationality, gender, race, ect. (which is one of the reasons why I'm unpatriotic; I'm more about people first rather than where they were born/reside. I'd rather be good friends with an Afgahnian who's nice, than an American who's the typical d**knose). Though I won't consider myself "liberal" or "conservative", to me those are just labels and when you're labeled something, it's difficult to be seen as anything else in people's eyes. Same with the 2 "party" system we have; I have faith in neither. I'm all for the individuals who make sense and are honest - no matter how brutally honest they have to be (which is why I'll always give praise to Assange and Snowden; when everyone else in America considers them as Traders, I call them Heroes). I'd say I'm also a Heel, because I don't support the military. Part of being unpatriotic and being brutally honest, the military serves the government... whereas in the propaganda all around us, we're taught that the military serves us, or serves the country. Last I checked, We The People ARE the country, and they're not serving us, they're doing the government's bidding. Don't get me wrong, there are TONS of good men & women in the military (I have family who were or are currently in) - but I believe they join either under naive pretenses (thanks to the propaganda) or to further their career and/or education. I Really do NOT support the sick f***s who join just to kill (and there are a lot of young men who do join for that reason alone, THAT's what disturbed me - on top of which, the common American citizen are praising these same psychos). I'm also considered a Heel, in the fact that I don't believe in mainstream media; I tend to keep an open mind, and whenever I side with someone who makes better sense, that what is completely the antithesis of what the media is or thinks (or is reported), I'm labeled a "conspiracy theorist". The average American looks down on people who are really only out to seek the truth. For example, I don't believe Chris Benoit murdered his family - why? Because even the Fayetteville Sherrif himself admitted they made their ruling based on THEORY and not actual fact; plus there was never a formal investigation, never a dusting for finger prints, not a lab analysis of reminents of the crime scene... and I don't watch any crime shows, it's just common sense that those are the steps to finding out what REALLY happened, yet those steps were avoided and a ruling was made not 1 day after the news release of the 3 bodies found. Anybody who knows anything, toxicology reports and autopsy results take 6-8 weeks - not 24hrs. Back to what I was saying, because I believe that, I'm going to get more jeers than cheers from the average person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 4:13:07 GMT -5
Most people of faith don't abide by their respective bibles. If they did, Christian women wouldn't speak unless spoken to. The fact that LaVeyan Satanism is really more of a philosophy than a religion is why I questioned the borderline part. The rape thing was news to me and utterly disturbing. A lot of women dress that way because it makes them feel empowered. Most women would rather be sexy for themselves than other people. Anyway, I'm a full-blown atheist (I don't just not believe in God; I believe there is no God), but I hate being lumped together with most other atheists (which kind of sounds like where you are with the Satanism thing). Unlike the majority of atheists, I don't have a problem with religion at all. In fact, I've helped friends of mine regain their faith because it's important to them. I think the majority if religions all have a good message and don't do harm if taken as personal beliefs (in other words, not extremism). In a lot of ways, I wish I could believe, but I can't. That being said, I'm also a liberal, so while I support nearly all religions, I don't want them anywhere near our government. No clue if that makes me face or heel. -- Absolutely, it makes perfect sense! I grew up Catholic, I come from a Catholic family and every single one of my family members takes their faith seriously (which is why I'm looked at not as a black sheep, but someone who's against the grain, as I put it earlier). I too have no problem with other religions, and feel people are free to believe what they want, regardless of what nationality, gender, race, ect. (which is one of the reasons why I'm unpatriotic; I'm more about people first rather than where they were born/reside. I'd rather be good friends with an Afgahnian who's nice, than an American who's the typical d**knose). Though I won't consider myself "liberal" or "conservative", to me those are just labels and when you're labeled something, it's difficult to be seen as anything else in people's eyes. Same with the 2 "party" system we have; I have faith in neither. I'm all for the individuals who make sense and are honest - no matter how brutally honest they have to be (which is why I'll always give praise to Assange and Snowden; when everyone else in America considers them as Traders, I call them Heroes). I'd say I'm also a Heel, because I don't support the military. Part of being unpatriotic and being brutally honest, the military serves the government... whereas in the propaganda all around us, we're taught that the military serves us, or serves the country. Last I checked, We The People ARE the country, and they're not serving us, they're doing the government's bidding. Don't get me wrong, there are TONS of good men & women in the military (I have family who were or are currently in) - but I believe they join either under naive pretenses (thanks to the propaganda) or to further their career and/or education. I Really do NOT support the sick f***s who join just to kill (and there are a lot of young men who do join for that reason alone, THAT's what disturbed me - on top of which, the common American citizen are praising these same psychos). I'm also considered a Heel, in the fact that I don't believe in mainstream media; I tend to keep an open mind, and whenever I side with someone who makes better sense, that what is completely the antithesis of what the media is or thinks (or is reported), I'm labeled a "conspiracy theorist". The average American looks down on people who are really only out to seek the truth. For example, I don't believe Chris Benoit murdered his family - why? Because even the Fayetteville Sherrif himself admitted they made their ruling based on THEORY and not actual fact; plus there was never a formal investigation, never a dusting for finger prints, not a lab analysis of reminents of the crime scene... and I don't watch any crime shows, it's just common sense that those are the steps to finding out what REALLY happened, yet those steps were avoided and a ruling was made not 1 day after the news release of the 3 bodies found. Anybody who knows anything, toxicology reports and autopsy results take 6-8 weeks - not 24hrs. Back to what I was saying, because I believe that, I'm going to get more jeers than cheers from the average person. I think that you'd find the majority of people are with you with the military, which is why it's "support our troops" rather than "support our military." As for the psychos thing, it is disturbing, but you'll find that many of those people change for the better. I had a conversation with someone when working at Best Buy that had just come back from Afghanistan (he was looking for music he had missed while he was over sees) that said he joined to fight for our country and shoot people. He also said that when he got there, he realized that taking a life is one of the worst things someone can do. At the heart of all of us, I do believe there is humanity (though you'd never know it from being on the internet) and sometimes it takes being put in a horrible situation for someone to realize there's. That's not to say sociopathy doesn't exist, because it very much does; I just believe that the majority of those who fall into the belief of glorifying murder aren't really as bad as they seem. Even most people who believe in the death penalty admit they wouldn't be willing or able to throw the switch themselves. As for liberal/democrat conservative/republican, there's a major difference. Given my options, I'm a democrat, but I don't agree with all democratic platforms. I do, however, tend to lean on the liberal side of nearly every argument. Basically, I'd boil down the difference between liberal and conservative to be freedom vs. safety, but I'll admit that it's a very glib way to put it. There's a difference between a conspiracy theorist and a truth seeker. A truth seeker questions reports, a conspiracy theorist refuses to believe them. As for Benoit, I do believe it was murder/suicide. First off, when signs point to suicide (which they did from the crime scene without thorough investigation and from his cryptic text messages), investigations don't happen. Whether it's right or wrong, there just isn't enough man power to investigate everything. The thing most people ignore, though, is that Benoit's brain was that of an 80-year-old with Alzheimer's. Chances are, the murder of his wife happened while in a state of delirium. The next day, the son died, which makes me believe that he had already decided the outcome of his own life and their son, being special needs, wouldn't be able to get the attention he needs without a mother and father, making it a mercy killing in his eyes. The fact that the incident was spread out over three days with no signs of torture or binding is one of the main reasons suicide was ruled. If I am right about my theory, Benoit himself was also a victim, due to insanity-induced brain damage. Don't get me wrong, he's far less of a victim than Nancy and their son, but I don't think that him having brain damage makes him an evil person like the majority of people. I'm able to come up with my own conclusion while taking in the facts, which is what makes me a truth-seeker rather than a conspiracy theorist. Saying the moon landing was fake despite every argument about that having been debunked is what makes people conspiracy theorists rather than truth-seekers. Anyway, we should probably move on from this subject before we get this locked.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Feb 1, 2014 10:37:50 GMT -5
-- Agreed! You bring up some good points; and to others who think similar to we do, we might be considered Faces in their eyes. But again, for the average person out there who disagrees or is ignorant, we'd more than likely be looked at as Heels.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 18:14:48 GMT -5
heel mid card that is cocky and never defends title
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Post by IWFAnimation on Apr 19, 2014 21:59:52 GMT -5
Face Mid-Carder (I wish I was heel)
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Post by Slim on Apr 20, 2014 12:28:32 GMT -5
Face Superstar so far..
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